[Broadcast] Engelbert: ironically enough, this toon was built around utilitarian ideals; has near perfect stealth and fly+afterburner to buzz around the base [17:31][Broadcast] Engelbert: oh, and is small as to not take up any more screen than he has too [17:31][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I never thought of that [17:31][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I would never occur to me to make a small character for the purposes of seeing more of the screen [17:31][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Of course, I also don't play alts, so there's that. [17:33][Broadcast] Engelbert: heh well most folks make toons to actually, you know, be heroes or villains; i made a toon specifically to be an architect and leveled him up just enough to get what i needed (and got sidetracked expirementing with power sets, but lets pretend i know what [17:33][Broadcast] Engelbert: im doing) [17:33][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Well, you sure as shit can build a base, I'll give you that. [17:34][Broadcast] Engelbert: well thank you; but in some ways, i prefer Elysium; i think i really nailed the asthetic i was going for even though it has many rough spots [17:34][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Dude, I don't blame you at all. [17:34][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That is an impressive base, but you're welcome here anytime. [17:34][Broadcast] Engelbert: well thank you :) [17:36][Broadcast] Engelbert: at some point i need to get back and finish Nick's base ... even though he quit that sg XD [17:36][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: North Pole Posse? [17:36][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Ah... [17:37][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I'm still coalitioned with the North Pole Posse, I can still get into that base. [17:37][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That's another impressive base, by the way [17:37][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: On the smaller side, but super detailed [17:38][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I doin't know if you know Tax E but she builds really impressive, detailed bases as well. [17:38][Broadcast] Engelbert: my healer (of all things) still has base building permissions for one of Bunny's bases; i hate that base [17:38][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I remember Bunny. I havne't seen her in ages, I think she's on Torchbearer or something? [17:39][Broadcast] Engelbert: yeah, Ive seen Tax E around and spoken to her a few times [17:39][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I wouldn't bother at this point with Bunny's base, I don't think she's coming back to this server. I only ever see her on Torch [17:39][Broadcast] Engelbert: i have no idea; she had me build a DA themed base, what with Mot crap everywhere [17:39][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Ugh... [17:39][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: do you charge for that? [17:40][Broadcast] Engelbert: no, i dont offer my services anymore on the open market; whoever said 'The costumer is always right' never had to deal with them [17:40][Broadcast] Engelbert: for friends, i'd consider it; but otherwise, i dont have the patience for that [17:41][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: My brother, who works in private sector, likes to say that the customer is the most important, but they are almost always wrong. [17:41][Broadcast] Engelbert: he's probably right; im just cynical and sardonic [17:42][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Well, I'm a civil servant but I deal with the public, so I guess they're my clients in a way, but in my experience they're almost always wrong [17:42][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: What do you do for a living, Mike [17:43][Broadcast] Engelbert: the last time i had to deal with the public in any significant way was when i was in the navy [17:43][Broadcast] Engelbert: im unemployed atm [17:43][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: it's a tough time right now for folks. Lot of unemployment going around [17:43][Broadcast] Engelbert: its how i can spend so much time building virtual spaceships XD [17:44][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Heh... [17:44][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: What did you do in the Navy? [17:44][Broadcast] Engelbert: i launched torpedoes and tomahawks at things; so basically i got paid to do very little and be proud of it [17:45][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Very nice. Above the water or beneath it? [17:45][Broadcast] Engelbert: beneath [17:45][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: A submariner! You're the second submariner I've met. [17:45][Broadcast] Engelbert: lol [17:46][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I knew a bloke who was in the Navy for a while and was a submariner for about 10 minutes until he realized he got sea sick [17:46][Broadcast] Engelbert: seasick? on a sub? odd [17:46][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: that's what he said... [17:47][Broadcast] Engelbert: -shrug- no accounting [17:47][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: He's an asshole anyway [17:47][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, maybe he's a submariner at heart after all [17:48][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Well played. :-) [17:48][Broadcast] Engelbert: :D [17:48][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: You got any kids? [17:48][Broadcast] Engelbert: did this asshole say what he did on the sub? [17:49][Broadcast] Engelbert: no, no crotch spawn for me [17:49][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: sonar I think. [17:49][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Y'married? [17:49][Broadcast] Engelbert: yeah, ive known a few sonar types; they tended to come in 2 flavors - chill and laid back, or ... not [17:50][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I bet it's super easy to get super high-strung when you're entire job is listening for shit that isn't there. [17:50][Broadcast] Engelbert: nope; just never really hit it off with the right person [17:50][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Unmarried, no kids... same [17:51][Broadcast] Engelbert: I think you may be onto something; though we are all somewhat touched in the head anyway, so thats got to be apart of it too [17:51[Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I've found that there are a small number of jobs in the world that not just anyone can do. It takes a special kind of brain to do certain jobs. [17:52][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Like, anyone can be an electrician and maybe you're talented or not, but anyone can do it. Not everyone can be, say... a sonar tech. [17:52][Broadcast] Engelbert: true [17:53][Broadcast] Engelbert: ive known seals who looked at me like ihad a ... horn (yeah, lets keep it clean) growing out my head when I told them i was submariner; even they think we're alittle off [17:54][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I mean, I gotta say that kind of tracks, but honestly SEALs shouldn't be looking at anyone like they're weird, those guys are fucking mental. [17:55][Broadcast] Engelbert: oh they are truly hard core; had to ferry a few teams here and there; cool guys [17:55][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: you can always tell when they're on an op because they're clean shaven. [17:55][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: The minute that beard starts growing out you know they're done for a while [17:55][Broadcast] Engelbert: we made them stay clean shaven so they didnt die if there was a fire; the masks wont provide a seal otherwise [17:56][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Exactly. [17:56][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Firefighters have the same rule, which is why so many of them have moustaches. [17:57][Broadcast] Engelbert: when i was in, we were also allowed moustache; but I always found it more trouble than it was worth [17:57][Broadcast] Engelbert: they had to be to a specific regulation, so it was just one more thing to keep in uniform regs [17:58][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Bah... I'm lucky, there's no restriction for me when it comes to facial hair because I don't have to worry about wearing masks, but if I did I wouldn't bother with a moustahce either. [17:59][Broadcast] Engelbert: one of these days ill figure out how to play this game [17:59][Broadcast] Engelbert: what kind of civil servant are you? Fire? Mail? [18:00][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Fire [18:00][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Not just a firefighter, though. I'm a dispatcher. [18:00][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, they gotta know where to go, right? [18:00][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: And what they're doing. And how to do it. And why. [18:01][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Firefighters are very brave, but they're not very smart, generally speaking [18:01][Broadcast] Engelbert: lol ive known a few like that [18:01][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I've met the odd one with a brain in their head, but most of them never grew up past about 16 years old. [18:02][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, to be fair, i suppose it is hard to outsmart a fire, but not so hard to brute force it into submission [18:02][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: You would be very surprised about that. [18:03][Broadcast] Engelbert: still, sounds like herding steroidal cats [18:03][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Fire is a cunning enemy. [18:03][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I've had to chase more than one fire through walls and through attics. It isn't alive per se, but it behaves like a living thing struggling to survive. [18:03][Broadcast] Engelbert: ive done my fair share of fire fighting training; though for a specialized environment [18:04][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That's the thing, my friend. Every situation and every building and every scenario is specialized when it comes to fighting fire. [18:04][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: There are never, ever two fires that are identical. [18:04][Broadcast] Engelbert: aye, thats true [18:04][Broadcast] Engelbert: we lost a sub to fire a few years back [18:04][Broadcast] Engelbert: the USS Miami [18:05][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: By the gods, I can't imagine what it would be like to die in a fire IN a submarine. [18:05][Broadcast] Engelbert: thankfully she was in dry dock for overhaul when it happened [18:05][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Oh, thank goodness. [18:05][Broadcast] Engelbert: no causulties or fatalities; but the sub was a loss [18:06][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I'm assuming it wasn't a nuclear powered sub because I wasn't aware of a large kaboom. [18:06][Broadcast] Engelbert: the fire gutted the foreward section [18:06][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That's where the bridge and galley and shit are, right? [18:06][Broadcast] Engelbert: oh it was; but the fire was halted by the bulkhead [18:06][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Oh, good [18:06][Broadcast] Engelbert: thats where everything that isnt the reactor and its support systems are [18:06][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Is there a way to eject the core if necessary on those subs? [18:07][Broadcast] Engelbert: nope; nor would you want to [18:07][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Why? [18:07][Broadcast] Engelbert: the reactors in our navy *can't* meltdown; so you'd want the containment vessal to stay intack [18:07][Broadcast] Engelbert: intact [18:08][Broadcast] Engelbert: they dont have enough nuclear fuel rods to instigate a run away reaction (melt down) [18:08][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Waht about a fire in engineering that could threaten the core? [18:08][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: This is leaning hard towards Star Trek terminology, forgive me. [18:09][Broadcast] Engelbert: 1ft+ HY80 pressure treated steel; you'd need an industrial arc welder and a week to get thru that (or a torpedo, maybe) [18:09][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Gotcha [18:10][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Pressure treated steel?! I didn't even know that was a thing. [18:10][Broadcast] Engelbert: and that's just the containment vessal; the reactor itself is also contained within that [18:10][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: So, what was your day-to-day like? I assume it was taken up with drills and cleaning and shit like that? [18:12][Broadcast] Engelbert: that depends on whats happening; in port? we do scheduled maintenance and some light training; at sea, in transit? training, and if time premits, drills; on mission, training; cleaning throughout [18:13][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: did you like it? [18:13][Broadcast] Engelbert: on op? nothing but our job; nothing that can make any noise that can be transmitted to the open water [18:14][Broadcast] Engelbert: did i like it? yes and no; somewhere in the middle; my boat was ... special; she was old, and we had command issues [18:14][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That's a common problem within all organizations. Far more common that the tech works just fine and that it's the people that are the bottle-neck. [18:14][Broadcast] Engelbert: our boat kept failing an exam, and then we had a suicide which propted the firing of our captain [18:15][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: They fired a four-bar naval officer?! [18:15][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Like actually fired him? [18:15][Broadcast] Engelbert: oh the tech was more than fine; it was cutting edge; all the old tech gets gutted and replaced every 5 - 10 years [18:15][Broadcast] Engelbert: "asked to retire" [18:16][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Odin's one good eye... that must have been one shitty officer. [18:16][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Hey, I'm gonna pop out for a smoke, but I'm enjoying this chat and you've actually given me a really good idea. If you're not here when I get back then that's entirely cool, but if you are I'd like to continue this chat. [18:16][Broadcast] Engelbert: he was ... adaquate; but he was a screamer if he wasnt pleased [18:17][Broadcast] Engelbert: sure thing, if im not here, just give a holler [18:23][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Heya, glad you're still here [18:24][Broadcast] Engelbert: :D yep, just fiddling with the options [18:24][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: So, tell me about your main character, what's their deal? [18:24][Broadcast] Engelbert: my main? you mean Victor Echo? [18:25][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Yeah, you'll have to forgive me because I don't remember them [18:25][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: But tell me about that concept and if ther'es a backstory or whatever. [18:26][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, victor is synthetic intelligence built around the engrams of a human mind by the preatorians; he proptly rebelled since noone likes being born into slavery [18:26][Broadcast] Engelbert: he was to be their next generation warworks [18:27][Broadcast] Engelbert: he joined the resistance, but felt they went off the rails what with calvin scotts meglomania; got ousted to the first ward and did what he could to help around there until he was shunted to earth prime [18:28][Broadcast] Engelbert: from there, he found his way into the hero community doind what he has always done: protect peopel by being a subtractive influence [18:29][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: He must have enemies still in Praetoria [18:29][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Subtractive influence, tell me about that idea. [18:29][Broadcast] Engelbert: when you have a degenerate matter reactor in your chest and a pulsed phase rifle, not so much; also, COle nuked praetoria so ... not much back there [18:30][Broadcast] Engelbert: there are, generally, two types of people; not black and white, but leanings one way or another: those who add to this world, and those that subtract [18:31][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: And do you see yourselves and someone who adds by subtracting? [18:31][Broadcast] Engelbert: those that add are teachers, builders, etc; subtractive would be people like soldiers, firefighters, etc [18:31][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: So, in your view one can contribute in a positive way by subtracting negative influences on soceity? [18:31][Broadcast] Engelbert: not adding by subtracting; doing good (or evil) by removing an impedment [18:32][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That's an interesting take. [18:32][Broadcast] Engelbert: think white blood cells; they do good by removing disease [18:32][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I like that analogy. [18:32][Broadcast] Engelbert: firefighters do good by removing fire [18:32][Broadcast] Engelbert: mind you, none of these examples is cut and dry [18:32][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: How so? [18:33][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, firefighters also add fire breaks; an additive action; soldiers can add political pressure by their very existance to stop a war [18:34][Broadcast] Engelbert: but on the whole, each is primarily engaged in subtractive measures [18:34][Broadcast] Engelbert: and that is how Victor acts; he sees an issue, he removes that issue [18:35][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I've never really thought about it in those terms. [18:35][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: But I suppose you're right. [18:36][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Do you think it's possible that an person could go too far? [18:36][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Is there a point where subtractive good can go too far? [18:36][Broadcast] Engelbert: do i think it's possible? hell, I think its done every day [18:37][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Can you give me an example? [18:37][Broadcast] Engelbert: these ... attributes are neither good nor evil; that moral judgement is up to the individual [18:37][Broadcast] Engelbert: uh, and example; lemme think [18:37][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: take your time [18:38][Broadcast] Engelbert: the one that comes to mind would be warcrimes: one engages in a stast sanctioned war, but starts removing civilians along with soldiers [18:38][Broadcast] Engelbert: state* [18:38][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Alright [18:39][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I suppose that's why that kind of thing is listed in the Geneva convention as a crime against humanity [18:39][Broadcast] Engelbert: an additive problem: a farmer floods the market with his produce, crashing the economy; or a doctor proscribes too much medicine and the patient dies [18:40][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: So, what I'm hearing you say, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that subtractive justice is a slippery slope where if one goes too far one commits immoral acts? [18:40][Broadcast] Engelbert: im sure that's not the *only* reason why the geneva conventions list that :P [18:41][Broadcast] Engelbert: they both are merely attributes; neither good nor bad. But as with all things, forethought and moderation [18:41][Broadcast] Engelbert: and some good old ethics to guide said actions [18:42][Broadcast] Engelbert: it is an admittedly simplistic outlook; but one that ive found to be mostly true [18:42][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: You seem  like someeone with a pretty clear idea of, and forgive me for assuming your gender, his own ethics. A man with a code, for lack of a better expression. [18:43][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I myself am a philosophy major specializing in ethics, so I'm interested in hearing more about your code and how you would describe it. [18:43][Broadcast] Engelbert: never thought of myself living by a "code"; but i suppose youre not wrong [18:43][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Like knows like. :-) [18:44][Broadcast] Engelbert: there was a game, pathfinder, where you got to 'govern' a kingdom and how you would govern it came up. I mention this because one of the options struck a cord: "Mercy before the law" [18:45][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I'm entirely invested in this, please continue. [18:46][Broadcast] Engelbert: Ok; I took that to mean that there needed to be a strong "Law", a set of rules that were rigidly enforced; but upon the court was the onus of mercy; that, perhaps, the spirit of the law should be evidenced along with the letter [18:47][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Alright... [18:47][Broadcast] Engelbert: that punishment need not be absolute [18:47][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That's a very American approach, by the way. [18:47][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: But I get you, please don't let me interrupt. [18:48][Broadcast] Engelbert: so to tie that in with what i mentioned before; the law should be more additive than subtractive; the law should add rights, responsibilities, and protections and not take those things away without dire cause [18:49][Broadcast] Engelbert: i guess im very eglatarian in outlook [18:50][Broadcast] Engelbert: i think thats it XD im not as wordy as Aquinas [18:50][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I think that outlook is not uncommon. I think most people would agree generally speaking. But I would like to know what you think about people who argue that laws that add restrictions. Regulations for companies, regulations that dictate healthcare... [18:51][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: restict access to certain activities or the ownership of certain things. [18:51][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: For instance... [18:52][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Should there be limits to laws like the second amendmant? [18:52][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I don't mena to get too political, we can choose another example if you like. [18:52][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, the law must serve *everyone* under its onus; and no single action, one way or another, will be perfect. Gun laws, for instance, I feel, are close to, if not at, where they need to be; restrictive, but not absolute denial [18:53][Broadcast] Engelbert: of course, take note, that I live in California so those are the laws that I refer to [18:53][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Fair enough and state laws certainly vary. [18:53][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Let's change tacs [18:53][Broadcast] Engelbert: some are utterly assinine; but for the most part, im ok with them [18:53][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: When did you first start playing CoH? [18:54][Broadcast] Engelbert: oh bloody hell [18:54][Broadcast] Engelbert: lemme warm up the way back machine [18:54][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Welcome to the Crucible. :-) [18:54][Broadcast] Engelbert: had to be something like '04 or '05 [18:54][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: So, right from the beginning, more or less. [18:55][Broadcast] Engelbert: more or less, yeah; though i started on a friends account [18:55][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: As was the custom, at the time. :-) [18:55][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Was your current main your first character back then? [18:55][Broadcast] Engelbert: in Italy no less [18:55][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Ha! You must have been on asignment. [18:56][Broadcast] Engelbert: it was an actual shore duty, COMSUBGRU8 at the time, became COMSIXTHFLT a little lateruh, no; my main back then was a [18:57][Broadcast] Engelbert: no, my main back then was an inv/nrg tank; i did crap for damage, but they did crap damage to me, so it worked out [18:57][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: How long did you play for? [18:58][Broadcast] Engelbert: uh huh ... not sure; up to IOs i think? took a break and came back for a year-ish before the shutdown [18:59][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Were you here for the shut-down? Did you do the thing in AP with the torches and the whatnot? [19:00][Broadcast] Engelbert: no, my last day was about a week before; i heard about it, but didnt catch the actual date so i missed the send off [19:00][Broadcast] Engelbert: honestly thought i had more time :/ [19:00][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Same. I wasn't active at the time either so I missed it as well. I would have loved to have been there but honestly didn't even learn about it until after it was over. [19:01][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, we got our wish and it came back XD [19:01][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Funnily enough, I paid my sub for about a year and a half not so much so I could play the game but just so I could post on the forum because I loved the community so much [19:01][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Sure did. [19:02][Broadcast] Engelbert: i honestly dont remember the community being this good; though i was, and still am, mostly a solo type [19:02][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Solo is great right up until you run out of content... [19:02][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: But take that with a grain of salt, again, I don't play alts. [19:02][Broadcast] Engelbert: or you run into calvin scott; screw that guy [19:03][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: That guy is a dick.... but he does the right thing in the end. [19:03][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: At least in this reality [19:03][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: So, I have to reveal something to you. [19:03][Broadcast] Engelbert: dont you mean "that reality"? who he is in this one might not be the same [19:04][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Aren't they all the same reality? [19:04][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I didn't intend it to be this way, but this very friendly chat has inspired an idea for me. [19:04][Broadcast] Engelbert: -shrug- there is, or was, a Calvin Scott on primal earth; and then theres that dick from praetoria [19:04][Broadcast] Engelbert: oh? [19:04][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I'm thinking about starting a series of conversations with CoH players on HC that I can post on the HC forums. [19:05][Broadcast] Engelbert: that would be a neat idea [19:05][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: sort of Larry King style conversations that lean towards interviews but are still solidly within the sphere of conversation and I want to thank you for being the very first acid test of what it can be like. [19:06][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Hellfireside Chats with The Legendary Living Hellfire. [19:06][Broadcast] Engelbert: trial by acid? yey me for passing XD [19:06][Broadcast] Engelbert: i score a 0 XD [19:06][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: So, I would like to thank you for inspiring this idea. [19:06][Broadcast] Engelbert: sure thing; but it's your idea, not mine; the credit goes to you [19:07][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Not sure if I'm going to move forward with it, but I think you definitely deserver a mention. [19:07][Broadcast] Engelbert: im just glad to be apart of it [19:08][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: you're a good dude, Mike. [19:08][Broadcast] Engelbert: i do try XD [19:08][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: And a good sport, and I really enjoyed this chat. [19:08][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: It was really nice to get to know you better. [19:08][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, i had an extrovert moment :P [19:08][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I'm glad I was here to experience it. [19:09][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: You're welcome in The Crucible anytime. [19:09][Broadcast] Engelbert: i have to ask, though, where is your salvage racks in this base? do you not even bother with them since youre pretty much kitted out? [19:09][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: It's the giant safe on the wall at 1 o'clock from the base portal [19:10][Broadcast] Engelbert: ah so you use personal storage and not the salvage racks [19:10][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: mostly, yes [19:10][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I build the recipes as they come and store spare salvage [19:11][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: only rares, though [19:11][Broadcast] Engelbert: i hadnt thought of that; utility leads to function which dictates design [19:11][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Very well put. [19:12][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: What you need, where you need it, when you need it. [19:12][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: no more, no less. [19:12][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, by your, uh, (word for) "way of doing things" my whole storage area would be condensed down to a very small space [19:12][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: I guess... but at no point will I ever tell you that you're wrong for doing it the way you're doing it. [19:13][Broadcast] Engelbert: lol youd be one of the first [19:13][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Assholes are assholes. [19:13][Broadcast] Engelbert: well, one of the first to take that stance [19:13][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Besides... You don't get Legendary by being like everyone else. [19:14][Broadcast] Engelbert: eh, some, yes; but most are well meaning, just offering advice thinking that by adding their knowledge that they are doing me a solid [19:14][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Well, I guess it's up to you to decide if you appreciate it or not. [19:14][Broadcast] Engelbert: annoying, yes; but not done maliciously [19:15][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: But I've often found that if I cna set my aboslutely MASSIVE ego aside from time to time that other people have good ideas and sometimes there's a good idea in there somewhere. [19:15][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Your mileage may vary. [19:16][Broadcast] Engelbert: lol fair point [19:16][Broadcast] Engelbert: where are the juggling emotes? [19:16][Broadcast] Engelbert: there; now good luck finding it again, ya? [19:17][Broadcast] Engelbert: it really trips me out how young this toon looks, yet is so damn jacked [19:17][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: It's very Greek. [19:18][Broadcast] Engelbert: like he's got half percent body fat and looks like he was weaned on protien [19:18][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Alright, I'm gonna take a quick break and then find something to burn. [19:18][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Please feel free to stay as long as you like. [19:18][Broadcast] Engelbert: right oh, good chatting with you; dont be a stranger, and youre welcome to Jump anytime [19:19][Broadcast] Living Hellfire: Thanks, borther.