I am looking for an inexpensive Night Widow Beast build?

One of the things that still escapes me is how incarnate powers would affect an as-close-as-possible-perma-MindLink build. Agility Paragon?  What about the damage of Musculature?

Also, I keep seeing how Night Widow is a "cheaper" build as opposed to Fortunata.  Okay, but how?

I have FINALLY gotten Pines loaded on my machine after completely removing Mids from my computer (since builds would go default Mids and would therefore NOT be able to load anything with Issue 25 set ups on it and glitch out), but my messing around with it just seems... anemic?

Anyhoo, I can always get more inf for a build...  So, while cheaper would mean playing the NW sooner, adding purples and Hamis would totally be on the table.

Anyone have a build they could drop in the forums?  I am looking for a jumping off point.  Much obliged in advance!

~Beorn

And, before I forget it, what Judgement suits a Widow?  I mean, Vorpal probably, but, maybe Void?

~B

I use Musculature on my widow because while I was nigh-unkillable unless Rularru are involved, my damage felt anemic.  In groups damage feels okay, but solo I can survive standard stuff forever but it also takes me a long time to finish off a +3 or +4 x8 group of enemies.  Better now with the incarnate stuff loaded up, but in the early incarnate levels I was using Judgment every spawn because it was off cooldown.  The Assault Hybrid helps a good amount too when it's up.  I went Barrier for the party/raid rez and to shore up defenses when cascading defense failure starts to happen. Interface was the toxic proc, Degenerative I think.  Judgement, I took Ion because I wanted to hit more targets on incarnate content and raids and such, but Vorpal is thematic for sure.  Lore is personal preference, I think.  I took Arachnos just because. 

Forts are more expensive because Mind Link recharges in 240 seconds out of the box on Night Widows, but it takes 300 seconds on the Fortunata side.  That means that you need a good hunk more recharge to get it perma, which usually means more purples or other pricy sets. 

Oh, and here's a build, because I'm silly and forgot.  It's not my final build but I don't have anything more pricy than this in my 'final' setup. 

This is a good stepping off point to make your own.  I altered this by taking dart burst and not slash, and some powers moved around to accommodate. 

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962

http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Calamity Jeff: Level 50 Natural Arachnos Widow

Primary Power Set: Night Widow Training

Secondary Power Set: Widow Teamwork

Power Pool: Medicine

Power Pool: Leaping

Power Pool: Speed

Villain Profile:

Level 1: Poison Dart -- Dcm-Build%(A), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(36), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(36)

Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)

Level 2: Strike -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(37), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(40)

Level 4: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(7), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(7), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(9), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), RedFrt-EndRdx(11)

Level 6: Injection -- Acc-I(A)

Level 8: Follow Up -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(19), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(21)

Level 10: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(11)

Level 12: Spin -- DmnofArc-Acc/Dmg(A), DmnofArc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), DmnofArc-Rchg/-DmgFear(13), DmnofArc-Dmg/Rchg(15), DmnofArc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), DmnofArc-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17)

Level 14: Lunge -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(40), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(42), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42)

Level 16: Aid Self -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(45), Prv-Heal/Rchg(45), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(46), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(46), Prv-Heal(46)

Level 18: Slash -- Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Hct-Dmg/Rchg(43), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Hct-Acc/Rchg(43), Hct-Dam%(45)

Level 20: Mask Presence -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(50)

Level 22: Foresight -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(23), GldArm-3defTpProc(23), LucoftheG-Def(29), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(31), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(31)

Level 24: Mind Link -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-EndRdx(25), RedFrt-Def(25), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(27), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(27), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(29)

Level 26: Mental Training -- Run-I(A)

Level 28: Eviscerate -- SpdBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SpdBit-Rchg/Global Toxic(31), SpdBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), SpdBit-Acc/Dmg(34), SpdBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), SpdBit-Dmg/Rchg(34)

Level 30: Super Jump -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)

Level 32: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)

Level 35: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)

Level 38: Tactical Training: Leadership -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(39), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(39), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(39)

Level 41: Field Medic -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)

Level 44: Combat Jumping -- UnbLea-Stlth(A)

Level 47: Smoke Grenade -- DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(A), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(48), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb(48), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/Rchg(48), DmpSpr-Rchg/EndRdx(50)

Level 49: Combat Training: Offensive -- Acc-I(A)

Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Conditioning

Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)

Level 4: Ninja Run

Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)

Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(3), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(50)

Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)

Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc(3), PrfShf-EndMod(5), PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(5)

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Wow!  Nice build!  Thank you!  This certainly looks great!

~B

If you scroll down a bit you'll see this thread. Should provide everything you're looking for.

I recommend this build to people who want an effective NW.  It uses no purples, no ATOs, and no PVP IOs.  If you are going to go into the realm of using those, I'd recommend looking at Fortunata instead; the only thing I ever missed when going from NW to Fortunata is Elude.

Highlights:

Optimal self-buffed attack chain for widows available (Follow Up - Lunge - Strike - Slash/Swipe)

Softcapped to all 3 positions with some debuff padding.

3 seconds off perma-hasten.

Aid Self.

Elude to counter defense debuffers/for incarnate content.

Benefits from most Alpha slots.

Can substitute any travel power.

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962

http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Natural Arachnos Widow

Primary Power Set: Night Widow Training

Secondary Power Set: Widow Teamwork

Power Pool: Speed

Power Pool: Leaping

Power Pool: Sorcery

Power Pool: Medicine

Villain Profile:

Level 1: Swipe -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(3), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mk'Bit-Dam%(42)

Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)

Level 2: Strike -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(7), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mk'Bit-Dam%(43)

Level 4: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- RedFrt-Def(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(37), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(37), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(39), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43)

Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15), RechRdx-I(17)

Level 8: Follow Up -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(9), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), GssSynFr--Build%(13)

Level 10: Indomitable Will -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)

Level 12: Lunge -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(21), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Mk'Bit-Dam%(23), RechRdx-I(45)

Level 14: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)

Level 16: Spin -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(17), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(19), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Obl-%Dam(37)

Level 18: Slash -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(29), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(29), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45)

Level 20: Mystic Flight -- EndRdx-I(A)

Level 22: Foresight -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(33), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(33)

Level 24: Mind Link -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(25), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(25), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFrt-Def(27)

Level 26: Mental Training -- Run-I(A)

Level 28: Tactical Training: Leadership -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(48), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(48), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(48), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(50)

Level 30: Mask Presence -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)

Level 32: Poison Dart -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(34), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34)

Level 35: Dart Burst -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(36), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(36), PstBls-Dam%(36), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46)

Level 38: Aid Other -- Heal-I(A)

Level 41: Aid Self -- IntRdx-I(A), NmnCnv-Heal(42), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(42), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(50), DctWnd-EndRdx/Rchg(50)

Level 44: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)

Level 47: Placate -- RechRdx-I(A)

Level 49: Elude -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)

Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Sprint -- UnbLea-Stlth(A)

Level 1: Conditioning

Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)

Level 4: Ninja Run

Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)

Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Heal(43), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(45), NmnCnv-Heal(46), Prv-Absorb%(46)

Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)

Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(39), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(39), PrfShf-Acc/Rchg(40), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc(40), PrfShf-End%(40)

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Wow!  Man, you folks are great!  Thank you for all of the fantastic advice, ideas, and builds!

~B

These are extremely helpful. I'm new to this AT (despite my heavy altoholism). Can you recommend a rotation/priority system for group play?

Thanks.

These are extremely helpful. I'm new to this AT (despite my heavy altoholism). Can you recommend a rotation/priority system for group play?

 

Thanks.

Follow up - lunge - strike - swipe. 

If AOE - follow up - lunge - strike - spin.

If NW - every other rotation single target, use Slash instead of Swipe.  You can also try to work in eviscerate instead of Swipe if you like.