I mean +4/8 is definitely feasible as I have a build I am running now that I can clear BM farm with AV ( AV takes me a while of course ) but I am trying to optimize a new build and that is why I was asking.
Thanks all for your input this has been very helpful. Also, anyone else with input would still love to hear it to keep optimizing new sets.
Correct, I guess I should have been more clear. For now, really only focusing on the typical farms from Unai,Maria, etc. Thanks!