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7 hours ago, MunkiLord said:

Sally is a monster, not a Giant Monster, those are different classes. See, your ignorance is showing again. 
 

And no, something being done is a fact, like a solo ITF. Something being easy is subjective. Your claim that I said it was easy, is a lie. Another fact. There is a difference.
 

Look I get it, your ego won't let you admit you're wrong. It's ok buddy, it happens. 

If you really want to be that nit picky and technical about everything. I never claimed you said it said it was easy. I only said you IMPLIED it was easy. 

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3 hours ago, Omega-202 said:

A) Incarnate trials dont scale at all.  They are always at a set level.  Have you ever even run one?

 

B) I'm game to walk you through a solo'd ITF.  On the condition that you give me your login info after I prove you wrong so I can delete all of your characters.  You must also agree to never create a new account.  If you're cool with that wager, I'll set up on the test server and we can figure out a date to run it. 

 

Being that you're too much of a moron to even watch the posted run video, I doubt you have the balls to put up or shut up.

A) Yes I have and they do actually scale though since they can ONLY be run at level 50 to begin with you're not going to notice much of a difference.

 

B) On the off chance that you can prove me wrong it's going to be very hard for me to admit it if I don't have an account to play on anymore. Plus this wasn't a bet to begin with. You asked what it take to prove you could do it. I told you. If it were a bet however the odds would have to be equal on both sides. In other words, what do I get when you get your ass kicked by Romulus and those lesser Nictus? I don't care about your account information. I don't give a shit if you keep playing. All I really want from you if I win is for you to change the way you talk to us. In other words if you ever do catch one of us being wrong, do it without the "I'm so perfect" attitude you got going on. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes some times so cool it with your superiority complex.

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30 minutes ago, RialVestro said:

A) Yes I have and they do actually scale though since they can ONLY be run at level 50 to begin with you're not going to notice much of a difference.

 

B) On the off chance that you can prove me wrong it's going to be very hard for me to admit it if I don't have an account to play on anymore. Plus this wasn't a bet to begin with. You asked what it take to prove you could do it. I told you. If it were a bet however the odds would have to be equal on both sides. In other words, what do I get when you get your ass kicked by Romulus and those lesser Nictus? I don't care about your account information. I don't give a shit if you keep playing. All I really want from you if I win is for you to change the way you talk to us. In other words if you ever do catch one of us being wrong, do it without the "I'm so perfect" attitude you got going on. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes some times so cool it with your superiority complex.

It'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience. Create an account, get the game client, hop on the test server, make yourself 50, and watch your stance crumble before your eyes. 

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50 minutes ago, RialVestro said:

If you really want to be that nit picky and technical about everything. I never claimed you said it said it was easy. I only said you IMPLIED it was easy. 

Don't be stupid, it's on the last page, you said, "Sorry you're claiming that something designed to be a challenge for teams can be easily soloed"  Those are your actual words. So you did indeed say that. Again, you don't have to be a liar.

 

So you're just gonna deflect and ignore the fact that you were wrong about Sally being a Giant Monster? Were you simply mistaken again, or did you know that and just lie again?

 

40 minutes ago, RialVestro said:

A) Yes I have and they do actually scale though since they can ONLY be run at level 50 to begin with you're not going to notice much of a difference.

 

B) On the off chance that you can prove me wrong it's going to be very hard for me to admit it if I don't have an account to play on anymore. Plus this wasn't a bet to begin with. You asked what it take to prove you could do it. I told you. If it were a bet however the odds would have to be equal on both sides. In other words, what do I get when you get your ass kicked by Romulus and those lesser Nictus? I don't care about your account information. I don't give a shit if you keep playing. All I really want from you if I win is for you to change the way you talk to us. In other words if you ever do catch one of us being wrong, do it without the "I'm so perfect" attitude you got going on. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes some times so cool it with your superiority complex.

 

You're not making a mistake. You are intentionally ignoring facts, intentionally distorting the truth, and generally full of shit. You should be thankful at how nice everyone is treating you.

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1 minute ago, jshmoe1236123 said:

It'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience.

lol I love the reference.

 

Seriously though... I'll make a post the next time I'm home with how long I'm going to be home... and hopefully at a time where I actually have power. Freaking PG&E... We'll jump on the Excelsior, start an ITF. I'll help you with everything except Romulus and the Lesser Nictus in the final mission. You beat that on your own I'll put it into every chat channel possible right then and there that I was wrong. You die, you do the same. You don't even show up at the time I set, you don't even talk to me anymore. That's my deal.

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6 minutes ago, MunkiLord said:

Don't be stupid, it's on the last page, you said, "Sorry you're claiming that something designed to be a challenge for teams can be easily soloed"  Those are your actual words. So you did indeed say that. Again, you don't have to be a liar.

 

So you're just gonna deflect and ignore the fact that you were wrong about Sally being a Giant Monster? Were you simply mistaken again, or did you know that and just lie again?

 

 

You're not making a mistake. You are intentionally ignoring facts, intentionally distorting the truth, and generally full of shit. You should be thankful at how nice everyone is treating you.

"Don't be stupid, it's on the last page, you said, "Sorry you're claiming that something designed to be a challenge for teams can be easily soloed"  Those are your actual words. So you did indeed say that. Again, you don't have to be a liar."

 

Yes I said it, but I didn't say YOU said it. Again you IMPLIED it. Do you see quotation marks around the words easily soloed in that quote? No because it's not a direct quote of what you said. I was paraphrasing what you had implied. 

 

"You should be thankful at how nice everyone is treating you."

 

Nice? You just called me stupid, a liar, ignorant, and that's just in this post. Nothing about how you're treating us is nice. It's rude, disrespectful, arrogant, and bordering on harassment.

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1 minute ago, RialVestro said:

lol I love the reference.

 

Seriously though... I'll make a post the next time I'm home with how long I'm going to be home... and hopefully at a time where I actually have power. Freaking PG&E... We'll jump on the Excelsior, start an ITF. I'll help you with everything except Romulus and the Lesser Nictus in the final mission. You beat that on your own I'll put it into every chat channel possible right then and there that I was wrong. You die, you do the same. You don't even show up at the time I set, you don't even talk to me anymore. That's my deal.

First, you don't need to post in all the chat channels. Everyone here already knows you're wrong and full of shit. Second, you have yet to say anything about a Master ITF, so why is no dying allowed all of a sudden? You're changing the rules and how the challenge has been framed. There is absolutely a difference between doing an ITF and a Master Of ITF. Funny how once again you've been misleading in what you say.

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1 minute ago, RialVestro said:

"Don't be stupid, it's on the last page, you said, "Sorry you're claiming that something designed to be a challenge for teams can be easily soloed"  Those are your actual words. So you did indeed say that. Again, you don't have to be a liar."

 

Yes I said it, but I didn't say YOU said it. Again you IMPLIED it. Do you see quotation marks around the words easily soloed in that quote? No because it's not a direct quote of what you said. I was paraphrasing what you had implied. 

 

"You should be thankful at how nice everyone is treating you."

 

Nice? You just called me stupid, a liar, ignorant, and that's just in this post. Nothing about how you're treating us is nice. It's rude, disrespectful, arrogant, and bordering on harassment.

Again, I didn't imply it either, I even said I didn't stick to melee against Rom. You are actively making up the hidden implication of me doing a solo Master ITF. Still ignoring the Sally monster/GM mistake I see, and you expect anyone to believe you that you will admit you're wrong when you have yet to do it once?

 

Again going back to Sally, you were clearly ignorant(lacking knowledge) since she is a monster and not a giant monster. That is a factual statement. Unless you knew better and made the claim anyway, in which case you would be a liar. So.....................best case you're one of them. I'm thinking both, but hey, I've been wrong before!

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34 minutes ago, MunkiLord said:

First, you don't need to post in all the chat channels. Everyone here already knows you're wrong and full of shit. Second, you have yet to say anything about a Master ITF, so why is no dying allowed all of a sudden? You're changing the rules and how the challenge has been framed. There is absolutely a difference between doing an ITF and a Master Of ITF. Funny how once again you've been misleading in what you say.

What are you even talking about right now? The challenge was for you to prove you can solo the ITF. Nothing about that has been changed. No one even mentioned a Master of ITF. It looks to me like you're misleading.

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2 minutes ago, RialVestro said:

What are you even talking about right now? The challenge was for you to prove you can solo the ITF. Nothing about that has been changed. No one even mentioned a Master of ITF. It looks to me like you're misleading.

Then if it's not a Master, why does anyone have to admit they were wrong if they die? Dying is allowed in a Task Force.

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30 minutes ago, MunkiLord said:

Again, I didn't imply it either, I even said I didn't stick to melee against Rom. You are actively making up the hidden implication of me doing a solo Master ITF. Still ignoring the Sally monster/GM mistake I see, and you expect anyone to believe you that you will admit you're wrong when you have yet to do it once?

 

Again going back to Sally, you were clearly ignorant(lacking knowledge) since she is a monster and not a giant monster. That is a factual statement. Unless you knew better and made the claim anyway, in which case you would be a liar. So.....................best case you're one of them. I'm thinking both, but hey, I've been wrong before!

"You are actively making up the hidden implication of me doing a solo Master ITF."

 

Haven't made up anything. You said you could solo the ITF. That's all we've been talking about this entire time is soloing the ITF.

 

"Still ignoring the Sally monster/GM mistake I see"

 

Not ignoring it, I already addressed with a Paragon wiki page that even links to a list of Giant Monsters. Once again you're being nit picky. Are you also going to try to claim I'm wrong if I call Lord Recluse an AV if he only spawns as an EB? It's a technicality. There's also a version of Lord Reculse that spawns as a normal boss.

 

"Again going back to Sally, you were clearly ignorant(lacking knowledge) since she is a monster and not a giant monster. That is a factual statement. Unless you knew better and made the claim anyway, in which case you would be a liar. So.....................best case you're one of them. I'm thinking both, but hey, I've been wrong before!"

 

And you would be wrong in both cases now. I didn't actively lie because she is a Monster. You admitted that yourself. There is very little difference between a Monster and a Giant Monster, they're both freaking MONSTERS so you're just being a dick over a minor technicality.

 

Since we're talking about ignoring things are you ever going to address the fact that you only seem to care about such minor technicalities when they work in your favor? When they work against you suddenly you don't care about exact wording anymore.

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8 minutes ago, MunkiLord said:

Then if it's not a Master, why does anyone have to admit they were wrong if they die? Dying is allowed in a Task Force.

Because if you die there is zero chance you're going to beat him. Duh. You can't beat the TF if you're dead.

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21 minutes ago, RialVestro said:

"You are actively making up the hidden implication of me doing a solo Master ITF."

 

Haven't made up anything. You said you could solo the ITF. That's all we've been talking about this entire time is soloing the ITF.

 

"Still ignoring the Sally monster/GM mistake I see"

 

Not ignoring it, I already addressed with a Paragon wiki page that even links to a list of Giant Monsters. Once again you're being nit picky. Are you also going to try to claim I'm wrong if I call Lord Recluse an AV if he only spawns as an EB? It's a technicality. There's also a version of Lord Reculse that spawns as a normal boss.

 

"Again going back to Sally, you were clearly ignorant(lacking knowledge) since she is a monster and not a giant monster. That is a factual statement. Unless you knew better and made the claim anyway, in which case you would be a liar. So.....................best case you're one of them. I'm thinking both, but hey, I've been wrong before!"

 

And you would be wrong in both cases now. I didn't actively lie because she is a Monster. You admitted that yourself. There is very little difference between a Monster and a Giant Monster, they're both freaking MONSTERS so you're just being a dick over a minor technicality.

 

Since we're talking about ignoring things are you ever going to address the fact that you only seem to care about such minor technicalities when they work in your favor? When they work against you suddenly you don't care about exact wording anymore.

My bad, that was a typo on my part. I definitely said I did a Master ITF, the part you made up is that I implied it was easy. 

 

There is a significant difference between a monster and a Giant Monster, how it cons to a character, Regen, HP, etc. They are separate classes of enemies, your statement saying it's nit picky is again a demonstration of your ignorance of game mechanics. And fighting Lord Recluse as an AV vs as an Elite Boss is more than a technicality, it's a completely different class of enemy. You do realize this right?

 

Did you really, truly not know that monsters and giant monsters are different classes of enemies? 

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29 minutes ago, RialVestro said:

Because if you die there is zero chance you're going to beat him. Duh. You can't beat the TF if you're dead.

You can just rez or go to the hospital. Death isn't permanent. So again, why this artificial restriction?

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Hello. Please do not eat each others faces; I do not want to clean the (metaphorical) floors. Thank you.

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On 10/24/2019 at 4:06 PM, Doc_Scorpion said:


The original version of Defiance didn't help matters any - because it encouraged Blasters to get in close and operate right at the red line.

Well, this was prior to Defiance even existing-  Keep in mind, the only Archetypes that had their Archetype abilities when Beta was complete was scrappers and Tankers.  Defiance 1.0 was an effort to *fix* Blaster problems even after they added the control/debuff powers to the secondaries.

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On 10/24/2019 at 4:25 PM, Haijinx said:

Some of the best melee attacks in the game are in blaster secondaries.  

 

As well as some pretty decent control effects. 

 

And the sustain powers are pretty impressive on a per power basis.

 

Well, remember, Sustain is new.  It wasn't added in until near the end of the game's lifetime.   As said, Blasters Started out having ranged primaries and melee secondaries, only to have the secondaries given control/debuff powers, and when *that* didn't solve the issue, they got Defiance 1.0, and when *that* didn't work, they got Defiance 2.0, and when *that* wasn't enough, they got Sustain.

 

Blasters have had a bit of a hard time of it.

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5 hours ago, GM Widower said:

Hello. Please do not eat each others faces; I do not want to clean the (metaphorical) floors. Thank you.

I would recommend closing this thread.  It's completely devolved from its initial discussion and just become a dozen people telling one person they are wrong about every facet of the game.  Rial can't be helped and its just wasting everyone's time.

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On 10/29/2019 at 2:48 AM, RialVestro said:

That is a decent point though I would assume that all content would have been updated along with the introduction of Incarnates because the game would be ridiculously easy if they didn't. Similar to how the enemies would scale up if you started at a higher level than 35. It should scale up for incarnates as well.

Uh.

 

How would you propose they do that?  Incarnates aren't just at a higher level, they're granted entirely new, incredibly powerful abilities intended to allow them to triumph over Incarnate-specific content.  I mean, outside of the Trials, the only Incarnate-specific content we have is Dark Astoria, and that functioned by completely revamping the enemies involved, creating incarnate-specific versions with new powers, not just "Scaling them up", remaking every bit of old content to become a new, revamped Incarnate version if the person playing it is an Incarnate is wildly impractical in terms of developer resources-  plus, it'd be kinda silly in-universe.

 

Not to mention that, Incarnates aren't the only power boost the playerbase has gotten over the years.   Hamidon Origin Enhancements let you functionally cram more enhancements into fewer slots.   Invention Origin Enhancements did that, too, *and* gave you bonus stat boosts on top if you slotted sets, and that's not even mentioning procs.   The game does not, and has never detected these and "scaled" the game to take them into account.   The only scaling it does is based on level, and level alone.   HOs, IOs, and Incarnate Powers make you objectively stronger than an otherwise identical hero that does not have them.  And you're right, it *can* make things ridiculously easy-  that's why there's a difficulty slider- you might not be aware, you can make the game harder when it's not challenging enough for you?

 

On 10/29/2019 at 2:48 AM, RialVestro said:

Sorry you're claiming that something designed to be a challenge for teams can be easily soloed and you think I lack understanding of game mechanics? You can't throw out an unbelievable claim like that and expect people to just accept that as true. Of course I'm going to assume it's faked because that I know is possible where as soloing something meant for a team I have never seen before.

 

Oh and how is telling someone that you need a team to successfully complete a TF designed for a team detrimental? You got that totally backwards. Telling them they CAN solo the ITF is detrimental. You're going to get some poor noob killed if they buy that BS. If I'm wrong nothing bad happens because I'm not the one telling them to solo one of the hardest challenges in the game with a Blaster!

 

Oh and anyone can solo a Giant Monster... as long as that GM is named Sally. 😉 She only has 1 HP.

I don't think anyone is claiming that Task Forces can be easily Soloed, Rial, just that they can be soloed.  Like, Soloing Task Forces has been a self-imposed challenge for the playerbase since pretty much day one- I remember the old days when people would debate back and forth on optimal builds and strategies on how to do it.  And this was back in the days before a lot of the stuff I mentioned before existed!  Honestly, because of all the edges players have now, it's almost mundane when people say that they've soloed a Task Forces-  That's probably why you're getting so much blowback here.   People soloing Task Forces is old news and common knowledge.

 

And I'm not entirely following you on why us talking about the well-known fact of Soloing Task Forces is detrimental-  like, your worst case scenario is a noob might get killed.

 

Like...

 

Yeah?

 

Noobs get killed a lot, by things a lot easier than a task force.   They're Noobs.  They die a lot, for a lot of reasons.   And like, that's not much of a problem.  Like, sure, they get debt, but so what?  It's pretty much one of the least punishing death mechanics I've encountered in online games.  I don't think the fact that people factually state that they've beaten a task force solo because they're highly skilled and have a well-built characters is going to have a significant impact on noob mortality one way or another.   And if they want to try to solo a Task Force without bothering to try and understand *how* someone accomplished such a feat?  Well, really, that's their own fault.   It's not like we're on this thread sneakily attempting to convince the noobs that might stumble across it into racking up a bunch of debt.   That's just silly.  

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9 hours ago, RialVestro said:

lol I love the reference.

 

Seriously though... I'll make a post the next time I'm home with how long I'm going to be home... and hopefully at a time where I actually have power. Freaking PG&E... We'll jump on the Excelsior, start an ITF. I'll help you with everything except Romulus and the Lesser Nictus in the final mission. You beat that on your own I'll put it into every chat channel possible right then and there that I was wrong. You die, you do the same. You don't even show up at the time I set, you don't even talk to me anymore. That's my deal.

I can't believe you use the word impossible when describing the chance of doing this feat.  Impossible?  You really think nobody is going around in this game every day doing things that weren't exactly intended by the devs in terms of difficulty?  Look how powerful we've become.  You can't even slightly open the door to a possibility that just maybe it's possible?  Is this how you approach the game when you play?  "Welp, I must turn back now, I wasn't intended to do this."  You haven't thought about trying to push your toons and create things that do just that, "break the rules?"  Are you the horse tied to a chair thinking it can't go anywhere simply because he's tied up to something?  

 

I'll give you skeptical, but impossible from any AT?  Come on...  In you vast knowledge of game mechanics, you can't watch the video posted in this thread and think that maybe with that strategy and technique and, with all the Incarnate and IO abilities we have now, that just maybe it's possible even if you think the video is faked?  Also, using your vast knowledge of game mechanics, dissect that video and tell us why that Blaster's technique in taking down Rom wouldn't work.  

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Okay, I found 3 more ppl with solo ITF videos... must all be fake... so impossibru nothing to see here... I'll post anyway though because reasons.
 

 

 


Again, totally not worth watching totally fake, nothing to see here u guise /s #believealltrolls

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In the spirit of posting fake videos. @MunkiLord and I duo'd the STF with our Scrappers.  No it's not a fake solo, but we are still doing something that wasn't originally intended.  Wait, sorry, we didn't do it because we faked it.  Here is us not doing it:

 

 

hashtag fakevideos

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It took @jshmoe1236123 a long time to edit that video. Plus we also had to start a thread in Scrapper forums and have that discussion to give our fake video a good cover to make it more believable. Making a two hour and 47 minute video took about four times that long, but it was totally worth it to fake out the community. 

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