MetronP Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Hey hey- Wondering if Spines/ Fire is only best for farming ae missions or are there builds that suit pve as well? Not finding any builds or guides that focus on pve. I've looked at M3z's vid and I like the idea of the build, but I don't want to just farm. Thanks in advance for the advice! Having a blast making alts with power combos I never tried back in the day- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmarer Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I used to think so but with Spines lack of ST dmg, said farms better not include Bosses and of course Elite Bosses. For a pimped out expensive build, I'd recommend you try SS/Fire or for what I am hearing as of lately, Rad/Fire. However, if you are determined on Spines, can try something like this: Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Brute Primary Power Set: Spines Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Fighting Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Barb Swipe -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(39), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(39), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), FcsSmt-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(40) Level 1: Fire Shield -- TtnCtn-EndRdx(A), TtnCtn-ResDam(3), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(3), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(9) Level 2: Lunge -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(7), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(36), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), FcsSmt-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37) Level 4: Spine Burst -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(5), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(5), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Obl-%Dam(36) Level 6: Healing Flames -- DctWnd-Rchg(A), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx(9), DctWnd-EndRdx/Rchg(11), DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(11), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34) Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42) Level 10: Temperature Protection -- StdPrt-ResKB(A) Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Krm-ResKB(A), Ksm-ToHit+(42), LucoftheG-Rchg+(42) Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15), RechRdx-I(15), RechRdx-I(43), RechRdx-I(50), RechRdx-I(50) Level 16: Plasma Shield -- TtnCtn-EndRdx(A), TtnCtn-ResDam(17), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(17), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48) Level 18: Quills -- Mlt-Acc/EndRdx(A), Mlt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(19), ScrDrv-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), ClvBlo-Dmg/EndRdx(31) Level 20: Blazing Aura -- Mlt-Acc/EndRdx(A), Mlt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(21), ScrDrv-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), ClvBlo-Dmg/EndRdx(31) Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A) Level 24: Tough -- TtnCtn-EndRdx(A), TtnCtn-ResDam(25), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(25), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48) Level 26: Ripper -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(27), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(27), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Obl-%Dam(45) Level 28: Burn -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(29), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(29), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Obl-%Dam(43) Level 30: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A) Level 32: Throw Spines -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(33), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(33), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(33), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), MckBrt-Acc/Rchg(34) Level 35: Superior Conditioning -- EndMod-I(A) Level 38: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39) Level 41: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A) Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(46), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50) Level 47: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A) Level 49: Consume -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Fury Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A) Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A) Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A) Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(13), EndMod-I(13) Level 0: Born In Battle Level 0: High Pain Threshold Level 0: Invader Level 0: Marshal Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon ------------ I have used Laser Beam Eyes instead of Impale becuas eit looks cooler and animation is shorter but you can use Impale instead if you prefer (which is probably higher dmg). Almost perma-hasten (0.7 secs downtime), decent resistances and manageable end consumption. If instead of Spiritual you go for Cardiac on your Alpha Slot, your end consumption will be virtually nothing and you will round up your resistances at the expense of perma-hasten where you will get a 12 seconds downtime, not too bad but I understand may be not acceptablo. Anyway, just a suggestion build aimed to give you ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corruption Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Spines/Fire should be a fine general purpose PvE build. ST damage may be lacking, but you can grab Gloom from Soul Mastery to help with that. Although, since it's been so long since I've played, I'm not sure how much of an issue redraw will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcussmythe Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Redraw doesnt affect DPS, IIRC - the animation just gets sped up. Ive got a lvl 50 Spines/Bio Brute, and though the lack of single target is notes, its not a huge deal unless you really like solo AV hunting (Ive not had much luck beating AV Health Regen yet, but its a work in progress). For group to group on 8 man with bosses, I usually just drag surviving bosses along with me to the next group for AOE to work on - though no doubt a Burn-Patch build would wipe the groups more quickly, and lacking the Bioarmor health recovery and defense would have less breathing room to just ignore an additional boss or three swinging away. Great Justice - Invuln/Energy Melee Tank Ann Atomic - Radiation/Super Strength Tank Elecutrix - Electric Blast/Super Reflexes Sentinel Ramayael - Titan Weapons/Bio Scrapper C'len - Spines/Bio Brute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetronP Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 Thanks for all the input! So far End has been the only issue and not even often- Having fun either way- Working on a SS/ Bio as well- Good ideas to work with here thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjc2146 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 I used to think so but with Spines lack of ST dmg, said farms better not include Bosses and of course Elite Bosses. For a pimped out expensive build, I'd recommend you try SS/Fire or for what I am hearing as of lately, Rad/Fire. However, if you are determined on Spines, can try something like this: Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Brute Primary Power Set: Spines Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Fighting Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Barb Swipe -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(39), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(39), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), FcsSmt-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(40) Level 1: Fire Shield -- TtnCtn-EndRdx(A), TtnCtn-ResDam(3), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(3), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(9) Level 2: Lunge -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(7), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(36), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), FcsSmt-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37) Level 4: Spine Burst -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(5), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(5), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Obl-%Dam(36) Level 6: Healing Flames -- DctWnd-Rchg(A), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx(9), DctWnd-EndRdx/Rchg(11), DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(11), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34) Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42) Level 10: Temperature Protection -- StdPrt-ResKB(A) Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Krm-ResKB(A), Ksm-ToHit+(42), LucoftheG-Rchg+(42) Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15), RechRdx-I(15), RechRdx-I(43), RechRdx-I(50), RechRdx-I(50) Level 16: Plasma Shield -- TtnCtn-EndRdx(A), TtnCtn-ResDam(17), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(17), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48) Level 18: Quills -- Mlt-Acc/EndRdx(A), Mlt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(19), ScrDrv-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), ClvBlo-Dmg/EndRdx(31) Level 20: Blazing Aura -- Mlt-Acc/EndRdx(A), Mlt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(21), ScrDrv-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), ClvBlo-Dmg/EndRdx(31) Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A) Level 24: Tough -- TtnCtn-EndRdx(A), TtnCtn-ResDam(25), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx(25), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48) Level 26: Ripper -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(27), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(27), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Obl-%Dam(45) Level 28: Burn -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(29), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(29), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Obl-%Dam(43) Level 30: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A) Level 32: Throw Spines -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(33), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(33), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(33), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), MckBrt-Acc/Rchg(34) Level 35: Superior Conditioning -- EndMod-I(A) Level 38: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39) Level 41: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A) Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(46), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50) Level 47: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A) Level 49: Consume -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Fury Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A) Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A) Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A) Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(13), EndMod-I(13) Level 0: Born In Battle Level 0: High Pain Threshold Level 0: Invader Level 0: Marshal Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon ------------ I have used Laser Beam Eyes instead of Impale becuas eit looks cooler and animation is shorter but you can use Impale instead if you prefer (which is probably higher dmg). Almost perma-hasten (0.7 secs downtime), decent resistances and manageable end consumption. If instead of Spiritual you go for Cardiac on your Alpha Slot, your end consumption will be virtually nothing and you will round up your resistances at the expense of perma-hasten where you will get a 12 seconds downtime, not too bad but I understand may be not acceptablo. Anyway, just a suggestion build aimed to give you ideas. Ive tried to open this in Mids, and it keeps giving me an error. Ive tried to recreate it, and there is no option for spines for a brute... what am i missing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenCarnate Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Think this is where the most resent version is for I25. I have issues as well if a data chunk is not included so I end up having to manually do everything from the long post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetronP Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 Yep grab the pines. Works well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetronP Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 Hey Nightmarer- Any pros or cons with going Agility in Alpha rather than Spiritual or Cardiac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetronP Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Have been having fun with the build Nightmarer! How would you respec/ or pimp out this build? Like using steadfast prot, gladiator armor etc? I am not very familiar with sets at all. Good times thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmarer Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Sent you the build and the whole explanation about it on a pm because I had not checked the board, here you are the build again in case the link did not copy correctly. As I said on the message, this is the build I'd use if I rolled a Spines/Fire Brute (or Scrapper, close enough). Hated splitting the ATO set and missing the rchg bonus but needed that 5% extra S/L def to softcap: Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Brute Primary Power Set: Spines Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Flight Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Barb Swipe -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(40), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(42), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Acc-I(43) Level 1: Fire Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(3), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(3), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(25) Level 2: Lunge -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(39), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(39), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), TmpRdn-Acc/EndRdx(40) Level 4: Spine Burst -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(5), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37) Level 6: Healing Flames -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Prv-Heal/Rchg(25) Level 8: Build Up -- RctRtc-ToHit(A), RctRtc-ToHit/Rchg(9), RechRdx-I(9) Level 10: Temperature Protection -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), StdPrt-ResKB(11), GldArm-3defTpProc(11) Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(13), Rct-ResDam%(15) Level 14: Super Jump -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A) Level 16: Plasma Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(17), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(17), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(43) Level 18: Quills -- Mlt-Acc/EndRdx(A), Mlt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mlt-Dmg/Rchg(40), Mlt-Acc/Dmg(45), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46) Level 20: Blazing Aura -- Mlt-Acc/EndRdx(A), Mlt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Mlt-Dmg/Rchg(37), Mlt-Acc/Dmg(46), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46) Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23), RechRdx-I(23) Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A) Level 26: Ripper -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(27), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(27), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Obl-%Dam(45) Level 28: Burn -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(29), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(29), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Obl-%Dam(37) Level 30: Tough -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), UnbGrd-ResDam(31), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(31) Level 32: Throw Spines -- SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Dtn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), Dtn-Dmg/Rchg(34) Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36) Level 38: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(42), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(42) Level 41: Gloom -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(48), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), SphIns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50) Level 44: Hover -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A) Level 47: Consume -- SprBrtFur-Rech/Fury(A), SprBrtFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), SprBrtFur-Dmg/Rchg(50) Level 49: Darkest Night -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Fury Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A) Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A) Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A) Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(5), EndMod-I(13) Level 0: Born In Battle Level 0: High Pain Threshold Level 0: Invader Level 0: Marshal Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetronP Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 Thanks! I will give you and update on how it goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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