Secondary with Seven Powers

[Apparition]

What is a "good" armor secondary that would be effective with only taking six or seven powers?

[Cutter]

As it stands right now, Dark Armour is perfectly serviceable with just the first 6 powers. Everything after that is highly optional.

[leeowensoas]

Willpower is the same but first 7 powers

[Redlynne]

Arguably Ninjitsu would fall into the 7 powers category too ...

[Vanden]

Elec Armor is fine without Power Surge or Grounded, as long as you find a place for a KB protection global. Invul can skip Unstoppable and Resist Energies or Elements quite safely.

[Troo]

Regen also, Revive and MoG are skip-able.

[hejtmane]

Energy Aura unless you want stealth you can skip energy cloak and overload

[InvaderStych]

Also, Radiation Armor.  Quite surprised by this set, high base resist numbers except for cold.  Technically one could skip Ground Zero (I've seen at least one high-end build without it) as the long animation time might break flow for certain builds.  It also has the typical T9 that most would consider optional as well.

 

That said, GZ looks like an interesting mini-nuke, and has room to slot recharge before PPM numbers suffer and the T9 comes with a significant +dmg buff which I am interested in trying out on a scrappy.  As an armor set though it feels quite good before taking those two powers.

[King Kog]

On 5/7/2020 at 5:41 AM, Troo said:

Regen also, Revive and MoG are skip-able.

IMO MoG is extremely important for Regen. Regen's decently survivable if you can absorb the alpha, but you can get dropped pretty easily without much in-set defense or res. MoG means you can absorb alphas much easier.

[Troo]

@Jono265 we play different it's cool.

The original post asked for sets that could run 6 or 7 powers, Regen is one. Ive seen some folks running just 6. Experiences obviously vary.

[King Kog]

20 hours ago, Troo said:

@Jono265

The original post asked for sets that could run 6 or 7 powers, Regen is one. Ive seen some folks running just 6. Experiences obviously vary.

For sure! Just tossing my 2 cents in.

[Nightmarer 2]

For 7 powers, i'd say Elec can skip Power Sink and Power Surge, Fire can skip Consume and rise of the phoenix, Nin can skip Blinding Powder and Kuji-in Retsu, Shield can skip one with the shield and grant cover, and WP can skip resurgence and strenth of will. No idea about Ice, regen or energy aura tbh.

[Heraclea]

Fire also works for this.  Everything in the set that directly helps keep you alive is in place by level 16.  The t9 is a very skippable self rez.  Fiery Embrace brings a large benefit to Fire/ characters, to others it is less, and while I'd recommend taking Burn, there's no hurry.  I made a Dual Blades/Fire brute as my Fire character because Dual Blades is a demanding primary.

[Camel]

There aren’t many sets that can skip 2 powers and be better than if you didn’t skip 1 of those two. There are even fewer sets that can skip 3 powers and still be good. The only set that comes to mind that can take 6 and be okay is Dark Armor, and even then, taking one of the PBAoE toggles can be a big benefit. Regen is much better with MoG, Fiery Aura can skip it’s T9 and that’s it. Willpower on a Scrap can get tons of benefit from its T9 since your resists are pretty average, Radiation Armor has Gamma Boost, that’s the most meh power in that set, skipping any other power would be a negative. It’s all subjective though, and you could build any secondary with 6-7 powers only, but the majority of sets are operating at their best with 8-9 power picks from the set. Is this for thematic reasons? Or are you finding a hard time fitting everything you want into your build and looked at cutting powers from your secondary first?

Edited May 18, 2020 by Camel

[Camel]

I’m approaching this from a “is it better to do this than to not do this” point of view, and that answer is almost always going to be no.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Camel

[Heraclea]

Given the choice between taking a primary or secondary power, versus a pool power, I always take the primary or secondary power unless I know for sure it's a clinker.   And scrappers have a bit more build freedom than other ATs get, in that every scrapper primary has a very skippable power that you know is a clinker (Confront). 

[Apparition]

12 hours ago, Camel said:

There aren’t many sets that can skip 2 powers and be better than if you didn’t skip 1 of those two. There are even fewer sets that can skip 3 powers and still be good. The only set that comes to mind that can take 6 and be okay is Dark Armor, and even then, taking one of the PBAoE toggles can be a big benefit. Regen is much better with MoG, Fiery Aura can skip it’s T9 and that’s it. Willpower on a Scrap can get tons of benefit from its T9 since your resists are pretty average, Radiation Armor has Gamma Boost, that’s the most meh power in that set, skipping any other power would be a negative. It’s all subjective though, and you could build any secondary with 6-7 powers only, but the majority of sets are operating at their best with 8-9 power picks from the set. Is this for thematic reasons? Or are you finding a hard time fitting everything you want into your build and looked at cutting powers from your secondary first?

 

The latter.  I always take Fly, Hover, Afterburner, Super Speed, and Hasten on my characters, and try to squeeze in Combat Jumping if I can, so my builds are always extremely tight.