Thinking of rolling a stone

[Without_Pause]

Earth/earth is the first dom which felt like it would really stick playing on Homecoming. If Earth control is an issue for you, you might want Fire/earth. It will be end heavy, but two damage auras means a lot of damage.

[Heraclea]

I wouldn't roll a Stone Armor anything, at least not until it gets ported to Stalkers.  You can spend most of your merits, inf, and effort working around the penalties of Granite and Rooted, but you'll eventually lose interest.  I had a stone armor tanker on Victory, played the character to 50.  Rolled this one during the dark days of i5, but never really took a shine to her and once IOs came around I went back to building up Heraclea.  If you decide to go Granite, make a Tanker; Stone Armor brute is a possibility, but it'll end in tears.

 

Stone Melee is quite good for tankers, on the other hand.  Pair it with a high control primary like Ice or Dark.  You'll be a real melee controller, incapacitating mobs so your teammates can mow them down. 

 

 

[Brutal Justice]

Is it possible to run granite and whirlwind at the same time or are they flagged as exclusive?

[Major_Decoy]

5 hours ago, Brutal Justice said:

Is it possible to run granite and whirlwind at the same time or are they flagged as exclusive?

Yes, it is possible to run Granite and Whirlwind (and Rooted) all at the same time.

[Hyperstrike]

Honestly, until there are changes in the set, I don't see a major point in playing a Stoner (Tank or Brute).  If you're going to roll in Granite, your party is simply going to leave you behind.  Even making allowances for movement-focused builds, it's still just too slow for the game as it exists now.

[Psyonico]

4 hours ago, Hyperstrike said:

Honestly, until there are changes in the set, I don't see a major point in playing a Stoner (Tank or Brute).  If you're going to roll in Granite, your party is simply going to leave you behind.  Even making allowances for movement-focused builds, it's still just too slow for the game as it exists now.

 

you can build for +dam/+rech/+movement so that you are still capped with resist/def (not with granite and rooted at the same time, but in most cases that's overkill)  With Teleport, I'm often ahead of the group (as a tank should be).

 

My only suggestion would be to change rooted to the following:

1. change -Jump in Rooted to -50% from -50,000% so you can get over stupid little ledges and such like Praetorian Sewers have
2. Cut the -Movement speed in Rooted in half and remove it entirely while in Granite

I think those two things would go a long way in making Stone more attractive without making it overpowered.

 

Oh, and in case you're wondering how I got the Resist/Def/Dam/Rech/Movement numbers above, here's my Stone/MA build

 

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TakenForGranite: Level 50 Natural Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Martial Arts
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Rock Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(5), GifoftheA-Def/EndRdx(7), GifoftheA-Run+(17)
Level 1: Thunder Kick -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(3), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(15), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 2: Storm Kick -- FcsSmt-Acc/Dmg(A), FcsSmt-Dmg/EndRdx(3), FcsSmt-Dmg/Rchg(27), FcsSmt-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), FcsSmt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(45)
Level 4: Earth's Embrace -- DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx(A), DctWnd-Heal(5), DctWnd-Rchg(9), DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(25), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 6: Cobra Strike -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(25), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(34), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Rooted -- RgnTss-Heal/EndRdx(A), RgnTss-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 10: Warrior's Provocation -- RechRdx(A)
Level 12: Brimstone Armor -- Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Ags-ResDam(13), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), ImpArm-ResDam(17)
Level 14: Stealth -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Teleport -- EndRdx(A)
Level 18: Crystal Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(19), GifoftheA-Def/EndRdx(19), GifoftheA-Run+(21)
Level 20: Recall Friend -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 22: Mud Pots -- Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Obl-Dmg(23), Obl-Acc/Rchg(23), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(27), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), EndRdx-I(46)
Level 24: Assault -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(42)
Level 26: Minerals -- EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42)
Level 28: Dragon's Tail -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(29), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(29), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 32: Granite Armor -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(33), DefBuff-I(33), DefBuff-I(33), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(34), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(34)
Level 35: Crippling Axe Kick -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Eagles Claw -- SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg(A), SprGntFis-Dmg/Rchg(39), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), SprGntFis-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprGntFis-Rchg/+Absorb(40)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 47: Laser Beam Eyes -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(48), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Stone Skin -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- UnbLea-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run(A), Run(11), Run(21)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(9), SynSck-EndMod/+RunSpeed(11)
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the best part is she plays like a scrapper with better defenses outside granite.

[Hyperstrike]

2 hours ago, Psyonico said:

Oh, and in case you're wondering how I got the Resist/Def/Dam/Rech/Movement numbers above, here's my Stone/MA build

 

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TakenForGranite: Level 50 Natural Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Martial Arts
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Rock Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(5), GifoftheA-Def/EndRdx(7), GifoftheA-Run+(17)
Level 1: Thunder Kick -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(3), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(15), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 2: Storm Kick -- FcsSmt-Acc/Dmg(A), FcsSmt-Dmg/EndRdx(3), FcsSmt-Dmg/Rchg(27), FcsSmt-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), FcsSmt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(45)
Level 4: Earth's Embrace -- DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx(A), DctWnd-Heal(5), DctWnd-Rchg(9), DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(25), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 6: Cobra Strike -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(25), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(34), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Rooted -- RgnTss-Heal/EndRdx(A), RgnTss-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 10: Warrior's Provocation -- RechRdx(A)
Level 12: Brimstone Armor -- Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Ags-ResDam(13), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), ImpArm-ResDam(17)
Level 14: Stealth -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Teleport -- EndRdx(A)
Level 18: Crystal Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(19), GifoftheA-Def/EndRdx(19), GifoftheA-Run+(21)
Level 20: Recall Friend -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 22: Mud Pots -- Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Obl-Dmg(23), Obl-Acc/Rchg(23), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(27), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), EndRdx-I(46)
Level 24: Assault -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(42)
Level 26: Minerals -- EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42)
Level 28: Dragon's Tail -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(29), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(29), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Mlt-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 32: Granite Armor -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(33), DefBuff-I(33), DefBuff-I(33), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(34), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(34)
Level 35: Crippling Axe Kick -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), PlvFst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Eagles Claw -- SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg(A), SprGntFis-Dmg/Rchg(39), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), SprGntFis-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprGntFis-Rchg/+Absorb(40)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 47: Laser Beam Eyes -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Dcm-Dmg/Rchg(48), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Stone Skin -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- UnbLea-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run(A), Run(11), Run(21)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(9), SynSck-EndMod/+RunSpeed(11)
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the best part is she plays like a scrapper with better defenses outside granite.

I've built similar.  I still find it too slow for many teams.

[Call Me Awesome]

16 minutes ago, Hyperstrike said:

I've built similar.  I still find it too slow for many teams.

I did my damndest to build a decent Stone/Fire tanker years ago, originally it was rolled up in response to the massive nerfs of issue 5-6 and more or less shelved when IO sets came in and you could build Invuln to close to the same durability with none of the penalties.

 

I devoted every bonus I could beg, borrow or steal in order to overcome the -speed, -recharge and -damage; there wasn't anything to be done about -jump though.  I ended up with a character that was less effective than my Invuln, far less mobile and almost up with his damage with a small edge in durability that was mostly academic outside of a few edge cases.  I found the character to be far harder to play effectively and even at it's best it wasn't the equal of the Invuln in playability.

 

I have to agree, Stone Armor as it currently exists isn't worth the penalties it imposes, especially in the current game of fast moving teams.  Even at it's IO'd best "fast" isn't something Stone can pull off.

[Hyperstrike]

Well. 

 

 

 

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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Rock Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), GifoftheA-Run+(3), Rct-ResDam%(19)
Level 1: Jab -- SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMghoft-Dmg/Rchg(39), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), SprMghoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(40)
Level 2: Stone Skin -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A), Ags-Psi/Status(9), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(11), UnbGrd-ResDam(13), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(15), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(21)
Level 4: Earth's Embrace -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(11), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(13), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(17), GldArm-3defTpProc(46)
Level 6: Mud Pots -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(39)
Level 8: Rooted -- HO:Golgi(A)
Level 10: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Brimstone Armor -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(15), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(21), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(31)
Level 14: Tough -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(31), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(34), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(36)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), GifoftheA-Run+(17)
Level 18: Crystal Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), GifoftheA-Run+(19)
Level 20: Teleport -- Range-I(A), Range-I(46)
Level 22: Knockout Blow -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(23), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(29), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc(29)
Level 24: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 26: Minerals -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), GifoftheA-Run+(27)
Level 28: Rage -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(36), HO:Membr(50)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), GifoftheA-Run+(31)
Level 32: Granite Armor -- ShlWal-Def(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(33), ShlWal-Def/Rchg(33), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(33), UnbGrd-ResDam(34), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(34)
Level 35: Hurl -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(42), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(43), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(43)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg(A), SprGntFis-Dmg/Rchg(43), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), SprGntFis-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), SprGntFis-Rchg/+Absorb(46)
Level 41: Char -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Dmg/Rchg(48), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Apc-Acc/Rchg(48), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(50), Apc-Dam%(50)
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A), Run-I(3), Run-I(5)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(5), Mrc-Rcvry+(7)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(7), EndMod-I(9)
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Diamagnetic Core Flawless Interface
Level 50: Longbow Core Superior Ally
Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany
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[Riverdusk]

On 5/7/2020 at 4:02 PM, Techwright said:

I like the idea of a stone controller, though I'm not a huge fan of how high the cage visuals are set.  I find them hard to see into the crowd especially if I'm meleeing.  That said, I'm not dismissive of them.  Thank you for the feedback!

 

The Lava and Crystal alternate animations I find a bit shorter.  I always go with those for that reason.