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Ill/Rad or Ill/Traps: Which would you choose?

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I've got one of each, and I would like to take one to 50 and gear him up, but I'm not quite sure which would be the better option for a mostly monster solo build. If you were choosing, which path would you take, and why?

 

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Traps.

 

Rad works fine, but Traps specifically fits holes that Illusion has, while Rad doesn't.

Traps: AoE damage, AoE containment, immobilizing AVs. These are Illusion's specific holes compared to most other Control sets.

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8 hours ago, WillParkinson said:

I've got one of each, and I would like to take one to 50 and gear him up, but I'm not quite sure which would be the better option for a mostly monster solo build. If you were choosing, which path would you take, and why?

 

Thank you!

Illusion Rad with a complete set of Stone Epic in my case! 😄

 

I just had to 'try' it.

 

I've had a terrific amount of fun with it.  I'm near capped.  Very difficult to hit.  Choking Cloud.... 🙂  'I'll attack you...I'll urh...EH?  URK!!!  Can't....breath...' 

 

Anchors on bosses to debuff or AVs.  Debuff.  Debuff.  Debuff. ::D

 

Try both to L22 and SOs and see which you like more.

 

I don't have any 'trap's only a devices blaster.  I can see the appeal.  Traps and Illu make have that 'Magician' vibe.  Who knows what your concept is. 

 

But why not try both and see which bakes your noodle.  It takes 'no time' to get to L22 these days.

 

Azrael.

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6 hours ago, Golden Azrael said:

 

 

But why not try both and see which bakes your noodle.

 

Azrael.

I think I found a new way to respond to people thank you Azrael.

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7 hours ago, Golden Azrael said:

Illusion Rad with a complete set of Stone Epic in my case! 😄

 

I just had to 'try' it.

 

I've had a terrific amount of fun with it.  I'm near capped.  Very difficult to hit.  Choking Cloud.... 🙂  'I'll attack you...I'll urh...EH?  URK!!!  Can't....breath...' 

 

Anchors on bosses to debuff or AVs.  Debuff.  Debuff.  Debuff. ::D

 

Try both to L22 and SOs and see which you like more.

 

I don't have any 'trap's only a devices blaster.  I can see the appeal.  Traps and Illu make have that 'Magician' vibe.  Who knows what your concept is. 

 

But why not try both and see which bakes your noodle.  It takes 'no time' to get to L22 these days.

 

Azrael.

Oh, I do have one of each. One is 40 and the other is 20 something. Just not sure which works better, hence the reason I asked. You raise a good point about the anchors, as traps seems to be limited in range.

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17 hours ago, Nafsmar said:

I think I found a new way to respond to people thank you Azrael.

Np.  If you're curious, it's good to ask about comparing two things.  And ask people's opinions.  Always good to do that.  CoH community is the best for that.

 

However.

 

It's not like we have to pay for more server slots...or the 'running sore' of debt like in the old days.

 

It's quite easy to say.  'Roll one.'  'Try it.'  It takes 'no' time to get both to L8 and you'll quickly get the idea of one's 'feel' vs the other.

 

CoH is back from the dead.  Here's your chance to roll the 1000 alts you never did on live.

 

Sure.  Ask for opinions and help.  But nothing beats trying something for yourself.

 

It's profound.

 

It's the way we really do learn.  *(Points to self for trying an SR/SJ Tank, an ice/ice/ice Tank, an Ill/Rad/STONE troller....things I didn't get to do on live.)

 

Azrael.

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16 hours ago, WillParkinson said:

Oh, I do have one of each. One is 40 and the other is 20 something. Just not sure which works better, hence the reason I asked. You raise a good point about the anchors, as traps seems to be limited in range.

They seem aimed at different things.  One is an AV or Boss killer.  Though I find with Ill/Rad I can take mobs as well.  I'm right in the middle of them. 😄

 

If you like Illusion that much.  Then just play each of them until you hit L50.  You should have a good idea of why you like each one by then and what they are good at doing.  I'm guessing you like the L40 one that bit more unless you got bored of it and are now playing the L20...?  Which is which type?

 

I've used Trick Arrow on Def' and Devices on a Blaster.  The idea of pre-planning to tie mobs into Knots.  Nimble of thought and planning combat in advance.

 

It's its own thing.  And gives a different flavour to other AT or Power types.  It's different and can be enjoyed on a more strategic level rather than all out blasting, for example, with a fire/fire blaster vaporising the mobs or a fire brute just melting the mobs with burn.  Both of which I have and can do.

 

Azrael.

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4 hours ago, Golden Azrael said:

They seem aimed at different things.  One is an AV or Boss killer.  Though I find with Ill/Rad I can take mobs as well.  I'm right in the middle of them. 😄

 

If you like Illusion that much.  Then just play each of them until you hit L50.  You should have a good idea of why you like each one by then and what they are good at doing.  I'm guessing you like the L40 one that bit more unless you got bored of it and are now playing the L20...?  Which is which type?

 

I've used Trick Arrow on Def' and Devices on a Blaster.  The idea of pre-planning to tie mobs into Knots.  Nimble of thought and planning combat in advance.

 

It's its own thing.  And gives a different flavour to other AT or Power types.  It's different and can be enjoyed on a more strategic level rather than all out blasting, for example, with a fire/fire blaster vaporising the mobs or a fire brute just melting the mobs with burn.  Both of which I have and can do.

 

Azrael.

The Illusion/Trap guy is 40, the Illusion/Radiation is 26.

 

My biggest problem, and I freely admit it, is that I want someone I can solo like a demon with, because honestly, with the rare exception of teaming with a friend while he's at work, solo is pretty much all I do. I am NOT an elite type player. In fact, my friend often has to rez me, because I do something stupid. I guess, in this case, I'm looking for something a bit more forgiving of my flaws, if that makes sense.

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team = rad

solo = traps

 

setting up traps on fast moving teams can be frustrating

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1 hour ago, Troo said:

team = rad

solo = traps

 

Exactly. Illusion/Traps should be one of the best soloing builds for Controllers. Definitely better than /Rad, because Illusion struggles to clear spawns while /Traps adds a lot more damage if you put damage procs in Acid Mortar and Poison Trap, and drop Poison Trap followed by Trip Mine. So that gives you the AoE damage that you are lacking, while Illusion is great at single-target damage and Boss slaying. And for soloing AVs, there isn't much that can argue it's better than Illusion/Traps.

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I'd agree with the above ... especially as the team size grows beyond a friends only composition.  It can be done even on fast moving teams but it's not nearly as casual and forgiving as Rad will be.  That said the mez protection offered by FFG as well as defenses one can get with minimal effort and IO's are also very beneficial for more casual play.  To me they both scream "pick me, pick me" 😁

 

Maybe that's why my altitis runs rampant.

 

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19 hours ago, WillParkinson said:

The Illusion/Trap guy is 40, the Illusion/Radiation is 26.

 

My biggest problem, and I freely admit it, is that I want someone I can solo like a demon with, because honestly, with the rare exception of teaming with a friend while he's at work, solo is pretty much all I do. I am NOT an elite type player. In fact, my friend often has to rez me, because I do something stupid. I guess, in this case, I'm looking for something a bit more forgiving of my flaws, if that makes sense.

Ah.  So your Ill/Rad is 'only' 26.  It's got SOs.  Hmm.  Could do with getting your Phantasm pet.  Push the defence numbers a bit higher.  Getting to L32 on that would help a bit.  The more you play it the more you can solo like a 'demon.'  I can solo all the time with mine.

 

Don't have to be an 'elite' type player.  I love doing 'stupid' things.  I learn from them.  😄 

 

The Illu Rad becomes more forgiving over time.  Put those anchors on the boss man and the minions evaporate with the Phantom Army.  Spectral Terror for Mez lock down and Phantasm to help put the boot in.

 

And the choking cloud picks up anyone who thinks about getting 'too smart' for their own good. 😉

 

And I love my 'Stone Epic' melee set for dishing the retribution.  All in melee. 😄

 

If solo is all you do?  Phantom Army, Spectral Terror, Phantasm (Loads of pets...try and get Phantom Army Perma...that would help massively...in soloing like a 'demon') and with the choking cloud plenty of protection between it and Spectral terror.

 

I have zero problem soloing at all.  I can't be hit.  But I send swarms of pets in for damage, lockdown and to melt mobs.  It's a grower. 😉

 

Radiation can take a bit of patience to begin with but as you get into it...and post L32 Illusion with yet another pet and epics pending....

 

Azrael.

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On 5/24/2020 at 10:42 AM, Golden Azrael said:

Ah.  So your Ill/Rad is 'only' 26.  It's got SOs.  Hmm.  Could do with getting your Phantasm pet.  Push the defence numbers a bit higher.  Getting to L32 on that would help a bit.  The more you play it the more you can solo like a 'demon.'  I can solo all the time with mine.

 

Don't have to be an 'elite' type player.  I love doing 'stupid' things.  I learn from them.  😄 

 

The Illu Rad becomes more forgiving over time.  Put those anchors on the boss man and the minions evaporate with the Phantom Army.  Spectral Terror for Mez lock down and Phantasm to help put the boot in.

 

And the choking cloud picks up anyone who thinks about getting 'too smart' for their own good. 😉

 

And I love my 'Stone Epic' melee set for dishing the retribution.  All in melee. 😄

 

If solo is all you do?  Phantom Army, Spectral Terror, Phantasm (Loads of pets...try and get Phantom Army Perma...that would help massively...in soloing like a 'demon') and with the choking cloud plenty of protection between it and Spectral terror.

 

I have zero problem soloing at all.  I can't be hit.  But I send swarms of pets in for damage, lockdown and to melt mobs.  It's a grower. 😉

 

Radiation can take a bit of patience to begin with but as you get into it...and post L32 Illusion with yet another pet and epics pending....

 

Azrael.

Way back during live, I had a level 50 Ill/Rad controller (Mind Wyrm), and loved him to bits. That's who I remade, but I wanted to try other options too. I'm sure at some point, I'll get Wyrm up to 50 as well In fact, now that I'm thinking about him....lol.

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