City Council Jimmy Posted October 31, 2020 City Council Share Posted October 31, 2020 This is a Focused Feedback Thread Please note that Focused Feedback threads are heavily moderated to ensure they remain on topic. Any off-topic posts in these threads will be removed without warning. The thread will be locked when no more feedback is required, but you are more than welcome to continue the discussion in a new thread. The most up-to-date version of the changes will be listed in the first post. The changes in each build will be posted as replies. Changes from the previous beta build are listed in green. Green text will become white text in the next set of patch notes. Any changes or fixes that are only relevant to the beta builds are listed in blue. Blue text will be deleted in the next set of patch notes as it is only relevant to highlight changes between beta builds, not a changes from live. Known issues are listed in purple. PvP Updates Miscellaneous PvP Changes Kicking a player from team during an Arena match now requires confirmation Quitting an Arena team (via the quit button, /leaveteam or the Exit Map button) now requires confirmation Fixed UI scaling for the "Score" button, and made it toggle the results window Disabled the Quit button in Classic UI while on an Arena map The arena map list is now sorted alphabetically Fixed the minimap for Cage Match, Factory, Stadium, Atlas Park, Steel Canyon and Skyway City New PvP Accolades Arena vendors now sell the following PvP-only fakkolades (fake knockoff accolades) for 10,000 influence each: Veteran Combined the four +HP / +End accolades Indestructible Combines Eye of the Magus / Demonic Aura and Elusive Mind Supercharger Copy of Geas of the Kind Ones / Force of Nature Mind Games Copy of Vanguard Medal / Megalomaniac Nullifier Copy of Crey CBX-9 Pistol / Stolen Immobilizer Ray Justice Copy of Call to Justice, the Hero alignment power, shares a cooldown with Rampage Rampage Copy of Frenzy, the Villain alignment power, shares a cooldown with Justice Using a normal accolade will put the non-PvP version of it on cooldown (and vice-versa) These can be deleted when you no longer want them Normal accolade & alignment powers are now disabled in the Arena and in PvP zones PvP Zone Vendors (Bloody Bay, Siren's Call, Warburg, Recluse's Victory) Added vendors selling the Arena temporary powers (which are now usable in PvP zones) The Siren's Call vendor still requires the zone event to unlock PvP Zone Missions (Bloody Bay, Siren's Call) Missions in Bloody Bay and Siren's Call are no longer limited to level 25 / 35 and can now be run all the way to level 50 Completing any door mission rewards the Veteran power Completing any Longbow door mission rewards the Justice power Completing any Arachnos door mission rewards the Rampage power Completing the destroy / save outpost mission rewards the Indestructible power Completing the plant / defuse bomb mission rewards the Supercharger power Completing the kidnap / rescue officer mission rewards the Mind Games power Completing the destroy / recover technology mission rewards the Nullifier power Recluse's Victory Support AVs from the zone event now spawn at level 52 instead of level 54 Remove some references to Statesman (RIP) Free Fire Zone (PvP) Helicopter Line All helicopters to and from PvP zones are now connected (including new helicopters in Siren's Call near the hero hospital and in Peregrine Island near the arena) You can also use it to travel between the connected PVE zones, but only those that match your current alignment Rogues and Vigilantes can now use the Free Fire Zone Transports to travel between PVE zones, but not from a PVP zone to a PVE zone of the opposite alignment New Arena Map: Liberty Town (2-32 players) A new arena map using an area from Founder's Falls Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Boomtown (2-16 players) A new arena map using the construction site area of Boomtown Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Ouroboros (2-16 players) A new arena map featuring the destroyed version of Ouroboros Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Last Bastion (2-16 players) A new arena map set in a mostly-destroyed Praetoria Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Praetorian Office (2-10 players) A new arena map set inside a Praetorian Office Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Industrial (2-16 players) A new arena map set in an Industrial area The old Industrial map is now named Factory Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Council Earth (2-16 players) A new arena map set on the Council Earth Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Luna Square (2-16 players) A new arena map set in a generic outdoor city area Minimap: Spoiler New Arena Map: Dam Interior (2-10 players) A new arena map set inside the Overbrook (Faultline) Dam Minimap: Spoiler Powers Disabled in PvP All Incarnate powers apart from the Alpha slot are now disabled in Recluse's Victory PvP zones now obey the same rules as the arena when it comes to banning powers This means that anything previously disabled in the Arena will now be disabled in PvP zones Arena temporary powers now work in PvP zones PVP Zones now disable powers using an auto power granted on zone entry instead of a critter with a zonewide power (this makes it instant) The following powers are now disabled in the Arena and in PvP zones: Most Mayhem / Safeguard powers Empowerment Station buffs crafted in bases Most Day Job powers Cathedral of Pain buffs Various prestige / temporary powers Complete list of disabled powers: Spoiler Increase_Recovery (from Mayhem/Safeguard) Mayhem_Increase_Movement_Speed Mayhem_Increase_Endurance Mayhem_Increase_Health Mayhem_Increase_Regeneration prestige_InspirationGrant (Inner Inspiration) Cryonite_Armor Wedding_Band Wedding_Band_FB Mayhem_Cryonite_Armor Mayhem_Store_Kinetic_Shield Vanguard_Psionic_Shield Invention_Kinetic_Dampener Alt_LP_Kinetic_Dampener Alt_Defense_Amplifier_1_hour Alt_Defense_Amplifier_4_hour Alt_Defense_Amplifier_8_hour Alt_Offense_Amplifier_1_hour Alt_Offense_Amplifier_4_hour Alt_Offense_Amplifier_8_hour Alt_Survival_Amplifier_1_hour Alt_Survival_Amplifier_4_hour Alt_Survival_Amplifier_8_hour Alt_Frosty_Aegis Day_Job_Movement_Increase_Lesser Day_Job_Movement_Increase_Greater Pilot_Lesser Pilot_Greater Day_Job_Increase_Regeneration_Lesser Day_Job_Increase_Regeneration_Greater Day_Job_Increase_Endurance_Lesser Day_Job_Increase_Endurance_Greater Day_Job_Increase_Recovery_Lesser Day_Job_Increase_Recovery_Greater Day_Job_Damage_Resistance_Lesser Day_Job_Damage_Resistance_Greater Day_Job_Psionic_Resistance_Lesser Day_Job_Psionic_Resistance_Greater Day_Job_ColdNegative_Resistance_Lesser Day_Job_ColdNegative_Resistance_Greater Day_Job_DPS_Buff_Lesser Day_Job_DPS_Buff_Greater Day_Job_Improved_Recharge_Time_Lesser Day_Job_Improved_Recharge_Time_Greater Combat_Shield Increase_Attack_Speed (Empowerment Station) Increase_Flight_Speed Increase_Jump_Speed Increase_Run_Speed Increase_Perception Grant_Invisibility Smashing_Resistance Lethal_Resistance Cold_Resistance Fire_Resistance Energy_Resistance Negative_Energy_Resistance Toxic_Resistance Psionic_Resistance Endurance_Drain_Resistance Slow_Resistance Knockback_Protection Knockback_Increase Confusion_Resistance Fear_Resistance Disorient_Resistance Hold_Resistance Immobilize_Resistance Sleep_Resistance Arachnos_Power_Shield I22_MissionReward_BoonSunXiong The_Perfect_Eye The_True_Furnace Heart_of_a_Storm_Elemental Anger_Monument Crystal_of_Resilience The_Atlas_Medallion Super_Patriot Freedom_Phalanx_Reserve Task_Force_Commander Portal_Jockey Crey_CBX-9_Pistol Eye_of_the_Magus Vanguard_Medal Geas_of_the_Kind_Ones Marshall High_Pain_Threshold Born_In_Battle Stolen_Immobilizer_Ray Demonic_Aura Megalomaniac Invader Force_of_Nature Iron_Man RIWE_Accolade_Power GRHeroAlignmentPower GRVigilanteAlignmentPower GRRogueAlignmentPower GRVillainAlignmentPower Invention_Recovery_Serum Alt_LP_Recovery_Serum Alt_Frost_Bite_Granter Alt_Frost_Bite Alt_Winter_Ward Flames_of_Prometheus Other PvP Powers Changes Trick Arrow See the Trick Arrow thread Fast Snipes No longer grant a 50% range buff in PvP Empathy / Pain Domination Absorb Pain: -Heal / -Regeneration reduced to 50% in PvP Share Pain: -Heal / -Regeneration reduced to 50% in PvP Temporary Powers Envenomed Dagger's regeneration debuff is now Scale 1.0 non-stackable when used against players -Jump Adjustments Several adjustments to -jump powers in PvP have been made: Spoiler The following powers have been set to Scale -1 Melee_Jump in PVP: Mastermind_Pets.Spec_Ops.Web_Grenade Villain_Pets.Arachnobot_Blaster.Web Villain_Pets.Toxic_Tarantula.Web The following powers have been set to Scale -1.5 Melee_Jump in PVP: Blaster_Support.Gadgets.Web_Grenade Blaster_Support.Tactical_Arrow.Electrified_Net_Arrow Epic.Blaster_Mace_Mastery.Web_Envelope Epic.Blaster_Mace_Mastery.Web_Cocoon Epic.Brute_Mace_Mastery.Web_Envelope Epic.Corruptor_Mace_Mastery.Web_Envelope Epic.Corruptor_Mace_Mastery.Web_Cocoon Epic.Mastermind_Mace_Mastery.Web_Envelope Epic.Mastermind_Mace_Mastery.Web_Cocoon Epic.Sentinel_Mace_Mastery.Web_Envelope Epic.Sentinel_Mace_Mastery.Web_Cocoon Epic.Stalker_Mace_Mastery.Web_Cocoon Epic.Weapon_Mastery.Web_Grenade Epic.Weapon_Mastery_Stalker.Web_Grenade The following powers have been set to Scale -2 Melee_Jump in PVP: Epic.VEAT_Mace_Mastery.Web_Envelope The following powers have been set to Scale -2.5 Melee_Jump in PVP: Controller_Buff.Trick_Arrow.Entangling_Arrow Corruptor_Buff.Trick_Arrow.Entangling_Arrow Defender_Buff.Trick_Arrow.Entangling_Arrow Mastermind_Buff.Trick_Arrow.Entangling_Arrow Pets.StickyArrow_Blaster.StickyArrow Redirects.Trick_Arrow.GlueArrow The following powers now do direct -Jump instead of -Enhancement(Jump) in PVP: Blaster_Support.Time_Manipulation.Time_Wall Controller_Buff.Kinetics.Siphon_Speed Corruptor_Buff.Kinetics.Siphon_Speed Defender_Buff.Kinetics.Siphon_Speed Mastermind_Buff.Kinetics.Siphon_Speed Controller_Buff.Poison.Neurotoxic_Breath Corruptor_Buff.Poison.Neurotoxic_Breath Defender_Buff.Poison.Neurotoxic_Breath Mastermind_Buff.Poison.Neurotoxic_Breath Boosts.Attuned_Winters_Bite_F.Attuned_Winters_Bite_F Boosts.Superior_Attuned_Winters_Bite_F.Superior_Attuned_Winters_Bite_F The following power had its -Enhancement(Jump) reduced to 18s in PVP: Blaster_Support.Ice_Manipulation.Shiver 3 3 Got time to spare? 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City Council Jimmy Posted October 31, 2020 Author City Council Share Posted October 31, 2020 Build 2 - October 31st, 2020 Spoiler PvP Updates PvP Accolades Arena vendors now sell the following PvP-only fakkolades (fake knockoff accolades) for 10,000 influence each: PvP HitPoints Endurance Combined the four +HP / +End accolades PvP Res/Def All Combines Eye of the Magic / Demonic Aura and Elusive Mind PvP Recharge Accurazy Copy of Geas of the Kind Ones / Force of Nature PvP Mez Boost Copy of Vanguard Medal / Megalomaniac PvP Freeze Ray Copy of Crey CBX-9 Pistol / Stolen Immobilizer Ray PvP Damage ToHit Copy of Call to Justice, the Hero alignment power PvP Recharge Special Copy of Frenzy, the Villain alignment power Known issue: These names are way too good to be added to the game, we should probably change them (give us your suggestions!) These can be deleted when you no longer want them Normal accolade & alignment powers are now disabled in the Arena and in PvP zones New Arena Map: Liberty Town A new arena map using an area from Founder's Falls Arena Maps Fixed the minimap for Cage Match, Industrial and Stadium Known issue: Most of the others are broken and still need fixing Sorted the arena maps list so it's no longer a mess Powers Disabled in PvP All Incarnate powers apart from the Alpha slot are now disabled in Recluse's Victory PvP zones now obey the same rules as the arena when it comes to banning powers This means that anything previously disabled in the Arena will now be disabled in PvP zones Arena temporary powers now work in PvP zones The following powers are now disabled in the Arena and in PvP zones: Most Mayhem / Safeguard powers Empowerment Station buffs crafted in bases Most Day Job powers Cathedral of Pain buffs Various prestige / temporary powers Complete list of disabled powers: Spoiler Increase_Recovery (from Mayhem/Safeguard) Mayhem_Increase_Movement_Speed Mayhem_Increase_Endurance Mayhem_Increase_Health Mayhem_Increase_Regeneration prestige_InspirationGrant (Inner Inspiration) Cryonite_Armor Wedding_Band Wedding_Band_FB Mayhem_Cryonite_Armor Mayhem_Store_Kinetic_Shield Vanguard_Psionic_Shield Invention_Kinetic_Dampener Alt_LP_Kinetic_Dampener Alt_Defense_Amplifier_1_hour Alt_Defense_Amplifier_4_hour Alt_Defense_Amplifier_8_hour Alt_Offense_Amplifier_1_hour Alt_Offense_Amplifier_4_hour Alt_Offense_Amplifier_8_hour Alt_Survival_Amplifier_1_hour Alt_Survival_Amplifier_4_hour Alt_Survival_Amplifier_8_hour Alt_Frosty_Aegis Day_Job_Movement_Increase_Lesser Day_Job_Movement_Increase_Greater Pilot_Lesser Pilot_Greater Day_Job_Increase_Regeneration_Lesser Day_Job_Increase_Regeneration_Greater Day_Job_Increase_Endurance_Lesser Day_Job_Increase_Endurance_Greater Day_Job_Increase_Recovery_Lesser Day_Job_Increase_Recovery_Greater Day_Job_Damage_Resistance_Lesser Day_Job_Damage_Resistance_Greater Day_Job_Psionic_Resistance_Lesser Day_Job_Psionic_Resistance_Greater Day_Job_ColdNegative_Resistance_Lesser Day_Job_ColdNegative_Resistance_Greater Day_Job_DPS_Buff_Lesser Day_Job_DPS_Buff_Greater Day_Job_Improved_Recharge_Time_Lesser Day_Job_Improved_Recharge_Time_Greater Combat_Shield Increase_Attack_Speed (Empowerment Station) Increase_Flight_Speed Increase_Jump_Speed Increase_Run_Speed Increase_Perception Grant_Invisibility Smashing_Resistance Lethal_Resistance Cold_Resistance Fire_Resistance Energy_Resistance Negative_Energy_Resistance Toxic_Resistance Psionic_Resistance Endurance_Drain_Resistance Slow_Resistance Knockback_Protection Knockback_Increase Confusion_Resistance Fear_Resistance Disorient_Resistance Hold_Resistance Immobilize_Resistance Sleep_Resistance Arachnos_Power_Shield I22_MissionReward_BoonSunXiong The_Perfect_Eye The_True_Furnace Heart_of_a_Storm_Elemental Anger_Monument Crystal_of_Resilience The_Atlas_Medallion Super_Patriot Freedom_Phalanx_Reserve Task_Force_Commander Portal_Jockey Crey_CBX-9_Pistol Eye_of_the_Magus Vanguard_Medal Geas_of_the_Kind_Ones Marshall High_Pain_Threshold Born_In_Battle Stolen_Immobilizer_Ray Demonic_Aura Megalomaniac Invader Force_of_Nature Iron_Man RIWE_Accolade_Power GRHeroAlignmentPower GRVigilanteAlignmentPower GRRogueAlignmentPower GRVillainAlignmentPower Pocket D An entrance to Recluse's Victory has been added to the Pocket D arena DJ Zero doesn't approve of fighting, so if you use this exit, there's no way back to the club from Recluse's Victory - you're on your own Free Fire Zone (PvP) Helicopter Line All helicopters to and from PvP zones are now connected (including a new helicopter at the Hero hospital in Siren's Call) You can also use it to travel between the connected PVE zones, but only those that match your current alignment 1 Got time to spare? Want to see Homecoming thrive? Consider volunteering as a Game Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3z Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 GOAT patch notes, thank you guys! 2 Youtube | Twitch | PvP Council Indomitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reib Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) Bring all PvP zones to level 50, leave only one pvp zone open per week in rotation, as a justification at the level of lore there could be several attacks by Lord Recluse each time different place. To preserve pve and badging you could create another instance of the zones always open and without any pvp interaction. Heartfelt thanks for the things done. Edited October 31, 2020 by reib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrier Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 This is the best thing to happen to PVP since it was introduced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorSteele Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Badge Name ideas: Combatant Commendations Demonic Mind's Eye Force of the Unkind Ones Mezalomaniac (Mez + Medal + Megalomaniac) Last-Ditch effort. Seriously, why did you buy this? Call for Victory Feral Anger As an aside, what about the Vig and Rogue alignment powers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hp Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 This is all great stuff, awesome work and thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3z Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Veteran Combatant Indestructible Prescience Oppression Freeze Ray Call to War Special Technique 2 Youtube | Twitch | PvP Council Indomitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrier Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, M3z said: Veteran Combatant Indestructible Prescience Oppression Cheat Pistol Call to War Special Technique Fixt that for you. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOKiTTY Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy said: Powers Disabled in PvP All Incarnate powers apart from the Alpha slot are now disabled in Recluse's Victory This is gonna be unfortunate for people who just want to hunt the NPC AVs and heroes. Maybe it's time for a PvE version of the zone. 3 KiTTY / @ROBOKiTTY Everlasting / Former Virtue mascot How to Hamidon Raid Virtue-Style, Addendum for HC edition Badge checklist popmenu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reib Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Told you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrier Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, ROBOKiTTY said: This is gonna be unfortunate for people who just want to hunt the NPC AVs and heroes. Maybe it's time for a PvE version of the zone. I mean, you guys did those hunts without incarnates. Those NPCs were never buffed after incarnates were released. It's not like Incarnates are being turned off in BAFs and Lambdas. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greycat Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 52 minutes ago, barrier said: I mean, you guys did those hunts without incarnates. Those NPCs were never buffed after incarnates were released. It's not like Incarnates are being turned off in BAFs and Lambdas. I'd have to agree with this. The content is pre-incarnate, it's doable without incarnates. If they're tough to solo (they're AVs, after all,) the answer is the same as it's always been - get a team. One thing I am noting (and expected, but went in to verify) - Base buff powers are, as mentioned, turned off in PVP zones. However, the timers on them are not. Since they are (1) created with salvage and (2) timer limited, is there a way to pause the timer on these when they're disabled? (This should also come into effect any time they're disabled, honestly, not just in PVP zones.) Essentially they'd be treated like toggles (even though they're auto powers, yes.) When you buy a jetpack for 30 minutes, it doesn't just click down 30 minutes and go away - it's 30 minutes of use. Granted these don't use rare (or even uncommon, going from memory) salvage, but there's still that cost to them. 3 hours ago, reib said: Bring all PvP zones to level 50, leave only one pvp zone open per week in rotation, as a justification at the level of lore there could be several attacks by Lord Recluse each time different place. Unlikely to ever happen, but I'd still have to throw in a "no thanks." I *like* having lower level zones and zones without T9s around. (Yes, I think the "+5 levels of powers when exemped" spoiled Siren's Call.) 2 Primarily on Everlasting. Squid afficionado. Former creator of Copypastas. General smartalec. I tried to combine Circle and DE, but all I got were garden variety evil mages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monos King Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Jimmy said: PvP zones now obey the same rules as the arena when it comes to banning powers This means that anything previously disabled in the Arena will now be disabled in PvP zones Arena temporary powers now work in PvP zones Disagree with this one. Every PvP zone literally gives temporary powers, it's part of the appeal and none of them actually ruin the experience; only incarnates did that. I'm supposed to go and get Warburg nukes and then not even be able to use them in zone? That's pretty absurd. I am also not asking for only the PvP earned temporary powers to be re-enabled, I am asking that all of them be. Amplifiers are already rightfully disabled, it's already known to be essentially a disqualifier if used in a duel; if I want a fight with no temps, I just do an arena fight. No need to take away that fun from zone at all. Other than that these are fantastic changes. 2 The Mastermind Enthusiast City of Heroes Lore Discord MM Global Changes | The MM Wishlist Temporary Powers | Omnibus' Alchemist Archetype Is The Game Too Easy (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Love these ideas, excited to test them!!! I also love how the HC has reached out to the PvP community to assuage their opinions and feedback - pro level 💛. Again, excited to TEST OUT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES!! WHOOOO 😁😁 Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrier Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Monos King said: Disagree with this one. Every PvP zone literally gives temporary powers, it's part of the appeal and none of them actually ruin the experience; only incarnates did that. I'm supposed to go and get Warburg nukes and then not even be able to use them in zone? That's pretty absurd. I am also not asking for only the PvP earned temporary powers to be re-enabled, I am asking that all of them be. Amplifiers are already rightfully disabled, it's already known to be essentially a disqualifier if used in a duel; if I want a fight with no temps, I just do an arena fight. No need to take away that fun from zone at all. Other than that these are fantastic changes. Okay, I want to hear, for the record, when was the last time you used a Warburg nuke in Warburg? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monos King Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, barrier said: Okay, I want to hear, for the record, when was the last time you used a Warburg nuke in Warburg? barrier I'm a temp hunter. The Mastermind Enthusiast City of Heroes Lore Discord MM Global Changes | The MM Wishlist Temporary Powers | Omnibus' Alchemist Archetype Is The Game Too Easy (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, ROBOKiTTY said: This is gonna be unfortunate for people who just want to hunt the NPC AVs and heroes. Maybe it's time for a PvE version of the zone. First question, aren't there PvE missions, task forces, and flash back arcs that allow you to do just that? As an aside, I recently got all the RV AV badges and it was a ton of fun: RV AV badge topic. Second question, how do these proposed changes prevent or inhibit your ability to continue to do so? Have you tested and found a noticeable impact or outright inability to do so? Please assume I'm asking these with the best of intentions and I'm not provoking any hostility. I love playing this game and I want everyone's feedback to be heard. Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monos King Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, Glacier Peak said: First question, aren't there PvE missions, task forces, and flash back arcs that allow you to do just that? As an aside, I recently got all the RV AV badges and it was a ton of fun: RV AV badge topic. Second question, how do these proposed changes prevent or inhibit your ability to continue to do so? Have you tested and found a noticeable impact or outright inability to do so? Please assume I'm asking these with the best of intentions and I'm not provoking any hostility. I love playing this game and I want everyone's feedback to be heard. Well he's saying that without incarnates (and possibly temps) it'll be much harder to do those specific badges. In reality, these changes just make it impossible to solo or trio kill all the AVs, so it does become necessary to get a large group for it now like in the past for the ordinary player. I don't have much opinion on that, but you can review that how you will. Just for the sake of leveled understanding, it IS true that in the past people killed the AVs (in groups) but then they had access to temporary powers as well (a good for them is vs NPCs.) So I don't think the removal of either temps or incarnates makes it too difficult to take care of the AVs, but I see what he is saying. Especially if he isn't fully IO'd. Also re-enable temps. The Mastermind Enthusiast City of Heroes Lore Discord MM Global Changes | The MM Wishlist Temporary Powers | Omnibus' Alchemist Archetype Is The Game Too Easy (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) Ah thanks @Monos King. I appreciate the answer. There were points where two players (myself included) were able to take down two AVs, but that was with temps and Incarnates and tier 3/4 insp. I'm actually excited for the challenge of these AVs without all the extra help. I see what @ROBOKiTTYwas saying now. Thanks! Edited October 31, 2020 by Glacier Peak Spelling 2 Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reib Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Greycat said: I'd have to agree with this. The content is pre-incarnate, it's doable without incarnates. If they're tough to solo (they're AVs, after all,) the answer is the same as it's always been - get a team. One thing I am noting (and expected, but went in to verify) - Base buff powers are, as mentioned, turned off in PVP zones. However, the timers on them are not. Since they are (1) created with salvage and (2) timer limited, is there a way to pause the timer on these when they're disabled? (This should also come into effect any time they're disabled, honestly, not just in PVP zones.) Essentially they'd be treated like toggles (even though they're auto powers, yes.) When you buy a jetpack for 30 minutes, it doesn't just click down 30 minutes and go away - it's 30 minutes of use. Granted these don't use rare (or even uncommon, going from memory) salvage, but there's still that cost to them. Unlikely to ever happen, but I'd still have to throw in a "no thanks." I *like* having lower level zones and zones without T9s around. (Yes, I think the "+5 levels of powers when exemped" spoiled Siren's Call.) I think Is Just you, noone care about pvping at lvl 15 or 35, infact low lvl PvP zones are Always empty. Every pvper farm his Toon to lvl 50 + alpha than go to PvP zone and hate to be unexempled. Edited October 31, 2020 by reib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrier Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: First question, aren't there PvE missions, task forces, and flash back arcs that allow you to do just that? As an aside, I recently got all the RV AV badges and it was a ton of fun: RV AV badge topic. Second question, how do these proposed changes prevent or inhibit your ability to continue to do so? Have you tested and found a noticeable impact or outright inability to do so? Please assume I'm asking these with the best of intentions and I'm not provoking any hostility. I love playing this game and I want everyone's feedback to be heard. I want to note that these changes will make it a lot less likely that people like me will show up to your badge hunt in RV and three-shot your PVE build with a corruptor. Incarnates are that stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monos King Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, barrier said: I want to note that these changes will make it a lot less likely that people like me will show up to your badge hunt in RV and three-shot your PVE build Not if you put your back into it. The Mastermind Enthusiast City of Heroes Lore Discord MM Global Changes | The MM Wishlist Temporary Powers | Omnibus' Alchemist Archetype Is The Game Too Easy (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Deadly Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 If you have accolades already will you still be able to use them in zone and you just wouldn't be able to buy the ones from vender? Seems a bit weird I spent ages accolading 200 toons to not be able to use the ones I earned(would be a bummer to me.) Everything else looks great though! <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monos King Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, Parisstar said: If you have accolades already will you still be able to use them in zone and you just wouldn't be able to buy the ones from vender? Seems a bit weird I spent ages accolading 200 toons to not be able to use the ones I earned(would be a bummer to me.) Everything else looks great though! ❤️ The new ones are exactly the same, so you just go pick up those from the Arena Vendor. I don't think they can disable the others based on if you have the real accolades. They could possibly make the clicks share a recharge, but I don't know about dealing with the Auto's. The Mastermind Enthusiast City of Heroes Lore Discord MM Global Changes | The MM Wishlist Temporary Powers | Omnibus' Alchemist Archetype Is The Game Too Easy (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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