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I have a really good (expensive) spine fire brute and have see and heard a lot of talk about rad/fire and was just wondering if anyone had a good Rad/Fire build I could see to compare to mine?  Not looking for a "budget" build just the best res, def, damage, recharge etc. builds. Honestly I have never messed with the Rad powerset so I don't know much about the Rad powerset. Thanks a lot.

 

 

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It's not a "no expenses spared" build - it might run you 630M if you paid street value for the enhancements and boosters - but my rad/fire caps S/L (and of course, Fire) resistance and has a shade over 45 melee def.  It can do pretty much any farm map you want, and won't instantly fall apart like wet toilet paper outside of AE.  

 

ETA: As far as Rad/Fire goes, it's pretty straightforward... target something in the middle of the group, tap Fusion -> Burn -> Atom Smasher -> Devastating Blow -> Radioactive Smash then Fiery Embrace -> Burn -> Atom Smasher -> Devastating Blow -> Radioactive Smash... pretty much everything but the bosses are dead at that point so you just cycle through Devastating Blow, Radioactive Smash, and Proton Sweep, salting in Radiation Siphon if you feel like topping off health before moving on... Radiation Siphon 'de-contaminates' the target so you're not getting the 'contaminated' splash damage off that, is why I pretty much just save it for the end if I use it at all.... it's really just hanging around for the S/L set bonus in my build, but 300 health isn't a bad occasional benefit.

 

Most folks avoid Proton Sweep like the plague, I find it procs fairly often and is a good way to keep Fury on the rebound at the tail end of my attack chain.  Could replace it with Contaminated Strike to get more bonus splash damage, especially since I'm not getting any compelling bonuses out of that purple set that I couldn't get off another.  But meh.  It works as-is.

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Indom 50s: Burner Account (Fire/FF Ctrl) | Dr. Unconventional (Ill/Dark Ctrl) | Lawn Boy (Plant/Nat Ctrl) | Magma Lad (Fire/Kin Ctrl) | Metcalf (Grav/Kin Ctrl) | IcyBM (Ice/Trap Ctrl) | Jim With The Weather (Ice/Storm Ctrl) | Dr. Jonas (Mind/Poison Ctrl) | Coldwire (Elec/Cold Ctrl) | Pyrotoxin (Fire/Poison Ctrl) | Flatgrass (Earth/Poison Ctrl) | Voltswagen (Dark/EA Ctrl) | Time Vampire (Grav/Time Ctrl) | Tootboy (Fire/FF Ctrl) | Polarrhoid (Ice/TA Ctrl) | LoLEnEn (En/En Blast) | Draw (Rad/Rad Def) | Destroyo (Bots/Trap MM) | Con Carne (Rad/Bio Brute) | Senor Smoke (Rad/Fire Brute) | Something Else (TW/Bio Scrap) | Thermador (Rad/Fire Brute) | Electrovox (EA/Son Def) Danzigawatt (Demons/EA MM) | Costumed Adventurer (Fire/EA Ctrl) | Obscured Face Guy (Dark/Storm Ctrl) | Ohm Gott (EA/Dark Def) | Full Recharge (Fire/Storm Ctrl) Spacegrass (Fire/Nat Ctrl) Embarrassing Wetness (Water/EA Corr) Weather Permitting (Ill/Storm Ctrl) Herr Fryer (Fire/Traps Ctrl) Rainiac (Grav/Storm Ctrl) Stokes (Fire/TA Ctrl) Dismembrandt (DB/Bio Scrap) Multidudes (Ill/Traps Ctrl) Meshuggenaut (Inv/RM tank) Miss October (Grav/Dark Ctrl) Spastic Colonial (Elec/Dark Ctrl) Heroic Pyromaniac (Fire/En Blast) Gigantic Robot (TW/Fire Brute| too many to list in one signature block...

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Just my opinion, but if you already have a viable spines/fire, there's no compelling reason to do rad/fire for a very marginal improvement in dps, particularly if you're thinking of afk-farming. 
If not afk, over time, I suppose it could be worth it, and you may find you enjoy it more. (or less!) It's not real money, but it is real time. Give it a try if you're inclined, but me, I'm sticking with spines/fire. 

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15 minutes ago, Ukase said:

Just my opinion, but if you already have a viable spines/fire, there's no compelling reason to do rad/fire for a very marginal improvement in dps, particularly if you're thinking of afk-farming. 
If not afk, over time, I suppose it could be worth it, and you may find you enjoy it more. (or less!) It's not real money, but it is real time. Give it a try if you're inclined, but me, I'm sticking with spines/fire. 

I have both Spines/Fire and Rad/Fire, and on balance it seems to me there's really not much functional difference between the two; I found it easier to cap resistance/melee in Rad/Fire and hence doesn't need Healing Flames quite as often, and that's about it.  Spines is slower to kill straggler bosses, but in a farm it's not worth killing stragglers anyway.  I prefer the timing of the attack chain in Rad/Fire, but that's more to do with the fact that I've got about 500 more levels of combined time running Rad/Fire than I do the other.  

 

The good news is, if you have a fully kitted-out farmer, you're more than halfway to having another 🙂

Indom 50s: Burner Account (Fire/FF Ctrl) | Dr. Unconventional (Ill/Dark Ctrl) | Lawn Boy (Plant/Nat Ctrl) | Magma Lad (Fire/Kin Ctrl) | Metcalf (Grav/Kin Ctrl) | IcyBM (Ice/Trap Ctrl) | Jim With The Weather (Ice/Storm Ctrl) | Dr. Jonas (Mind/Poison Ctrl) | Coldwire (Elec/Cold Ctrl) | Pyrotoxin (Fire/Poison Ctrl) | Flatgrass (Earth/Poison Ctrl) | Voltswagen (Dark/EA Ctrl) | Time Vampire (Grav/Time Ctrl) | Tootboy (Fire/FF Ctrl) | Polarrhoid (Ice/TA Ctrl) | LoLEnEn (En/En Blast) | Draw (Rad/Rad Def) | Destroyo (Bots/Trap MM) | Con Carne (Rad/Bio Brute) | Senor Smoke (Rad/Fire Brute) | Something Else (TW/Bio Scrap) | Thermador (Rad/Fire Brute) | Electrovox (EA/Son Def) Danzigawatt (Demons/EA MM) | Costumed Adventurer (Fire/EA Ctrl) | Obscured Face Guy (Dark/Storm Ctrl) | Ohm Gott (EA/Dark Def) | Full Recharge (Fire/Storm Ctrl) Spacegrass (Fire/Nat Ctrl) Embarrassing Wetness (Water/EA Corr) Weather Permitting (Ill/Storm Ctrl) Herr Fryer (Fire/Traps Ctrl) Rainiac (Grav/Storm Ctrl) Stokes (Fire/TA Ctrl) Dismembrandt (DB/Bio Scrap) Multidudes (Ill/Traps Ctrl) Meshuggenaut (Inv/RM tank) Miss October (Grav/Dark Ctrl) Spastic Colonial (Elec/Dark Ctrl) Heroic Pyromaniac (Fire/En Blast) Gigantic Robot (TW/Fire Brute| too many to list in one signature block...

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I very rarely actively farm. I do the afk route. And from what I see of the rad/fire builds, they are less sturdy outside of the farm than the spines. But, as they say, your experience may vary. I really should make one just to play around with it, but for some reason, I haven't. I think it's because I don't like rad melee. On my tank, I found the animations to be longer, and sluggish. I can't imagine they'd be any crisper or faster on a brute. If someone says otherwise, it may be worth a second look. 

 

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7 hours ago, Ukase said:

Just my opinion, but if you already have a viable spines/fire, there's no compelling reason to do rad/fire for a very marginal improvement in dps, particularly if you're thinking of afk-farming. 
If not afk, over time, I suppose it could be worth it, and you may find you enjoy it more. (or less!) It's not real money, but it is real time. Give it a try if you're inclined, but me, I'm sticking with spines/fire. 

No real reason i just like trying new things and if there is a better build out there, why not?  I don't do afk farming i tend to invite a few ppl here and there to help them out as was done for me when i came back to game over a year ago, and yes to farm inf. always helps me and my wife (who doesn't farm) who is constantly making new characters and they all have to have TT, ATT, and MT lol.  She is  not what you would call a cheap teammate. 

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7 hours ago, roleki said:

It's not a "no expenses spared" build - it might run you 630M if you paid street value for the enhancements and boosters - but my rad/fire caps S/L (and of course, Fire) resistance and has a shade over 45 melee def.  It can do pretty much any farm map you want, and won't instantly fall apart like wet toilet paper outside of AE.  

 

ETA: As far as Rad/Fire goes, it's pretty straightforward... target something in the middle of the group, tap Fusion -> Burn -> Atom Smasher -> Devastating Blow -> Radioactive Smash then Fiery Embrace -> Burn -> Atom Smasher -> Devastating Blow -> Radioactive Smash... pretty much everything but the bosses are dead at that point so you just cycle through Devastating Blow, Radioactive Smash, and Proton Sweep, salting in Radiation Siphon if you feel like topping off health before moving on... Radiation Siphon 'de-contaminates' the target so you're not getting the 'contaminated' splash damage off that, is why I pretty much just save it for the end if I use it at all.... it's really just hanging around for the S/L set bonus in my build, but 300 health isn't a bad occasional benefit.

 

Most folks avoid Proton Sweep like the plague, I find it procs fairly often and is a good way to keep Fury on the rebound at the tail end of my attack chain.  Could replace it with Contaminated Strike to get more bonus splash damage, especially since I'm not getting any compelling bonuses out of that purple set that I couldn't get off another.  But meh.  It works as-is.

thanks for the info. its exactly what i was looking for.  BTW awesome job on the build it must of taken a while to come up with it looks awesome and is multi functional.  Ill play around with the Proton Sweep and thanks again for sharing. 

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1 hour ago, meyerwolf406 said:

thanks for the info. its exactly what i was looking for.  BTW awesome job on the build it must of taken a while to come up with it looks awesome and is multi functional.  Ill play around with the Proton Sweep and thanks again for sharing. 

Thanks; it's a little shy on DPS to a pure farming build, but does what I wanted it to do.  Mids is a great tool for finding that last bit of +Def or +Res 🙂  

Indom 50s: Burner Account (Fire/FF Ctrl) | Dr. Unconventional (Ill/Dark Ctrl) | Lawn Boy (Plant/Nat Ctrl) | Magma Lad (Fire/Kin Ctrl) | Metcalf (Grav/Kin Ctrl) | IcyBM (Ice/Trap Ctrl) | Jim With The Weather (Ice/Storm Ctrl) | Dr. Jonas (Mind/Poison Ctrl) | Coldwire (Elec/Cold Ctrl) | Pyrotoxin (Fire/Poison Ctrl) | Flatgrass (Earth/Poison Ctrl) | Voltswagen (Dark/EA Ctrl) | Time Vampire (Grav/Time Ctrl) | Tootboy (Fire/FF Ctrl) | Polarrhoid (Ice/TA Ctrl) | LoLEnEn (En/En Blast) | Draw (Rad/Rad Def) | Destroyo (Bots/Trap MM) | Con Carne (Rad/Bio Brute) | Senor Smoke (Rad/Fire Brute) | Something Else (TW/Bio Scrap) | Thermador (Rad/Fire Brute) | Electrovox (EA/Son Def) Danzigawatt (Demons/EA MM) | Costumed Adventurer (Fire/EA Ctrl) | Obscured Face Guy (Dark/Storm Ctrl) | Ohm Gott (EA/Dark Def) | Full Recharge (Fire/Storm Ctrl) Spacegrass (Fire/Nat Ctrl) Embarrassing Wetness (Water/EA Corr) Weather Permitting (Ill/Storm Ctrl) Herr Fryer (Fire/Traps Ctrl) Rainiac (Grav/Storm Ctrl) Stokes (Fire/TA Ctrl) Dismembrandt (DB/Bio Scrap) Multidudes (Ill/Traps Ctrl) Meshuggenaut (Inv/RM tank) Miss October (Grav/Dark Ctrl) Spastic Colonial (Elec/Dark Ctrl) Heroic Pyromaniac (Fire/En Blast) Gigantic Robot (TW/Fire Brute| too many to list in one signature block...

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