New Special Salvage: Slot Mover

[Wavicle 1023]

You spend a Slot Mover salvage to move one slot from one power to another. This would save many unnecessary respecs.

[Andreah 528]

I agree this would be cool and useful.

 

I suspect there may be technical reasons for it being very hard to do.

[Wavicle 1023]

1 minute ago, Andreah said:

I agree this would be cool and useful.

 

I suspect there may be technical reasons for it being very hard to do.

Yea, I figured.

[Andreah 528]

The main one I can think of is it would have to maintain the legality of the character. I.e., it would let you move a slot in such a way that you make a character build that couldn't have been made the hard way via respeccing. 

 

On the other hand, we know at which level we took powers, that's essential to exemping effects on power availability and such. So, for example, the power taken at level 49 can't have more than four slots in it, because it comes with one, and we get three slots at fifty, so no matter how we slice it, that power can have at most four slots. Maybe that's the only hard limit?

 

Otherwise, the Slot Mover would also need to unslot any enhancement that was in the slot, or be limited to a slot that was empty. 

[Normal Thomas 71]

2 minutes ago, Andreah said:

The main one I can think of is it would have to maintain the legality of the character. I.e., it would let you move a slot in such a way that you make a character build that couldn't have been made the hard way via respeccing. 

 

On the other hand, we know at which level we took powers, that's essential to exemping effects on power availability and such. So, for example, the power taken at level 49 can't have more than four slots in it, because it comes with one, and we get three slots at fifty, so no matter how we slice it, that power can have at most four slots. Maybe that's the only hard limit?

 

Otherwise, the Slot Mover would also need to unslot any enhancement that was in the slot, or be limited to a slot that was empty. 

I believe respecs are already level agnostic on slots and I believe you can 6 slot something at 50 because you have all powers available to slot at once.

[Wavicle 1023]

1 minute ago, Andreah said:

The main one I can think of is it would have to maintain the legality of the character. I.e., it would let you move a slot in such a way that you make a character build that couldn't have been made the hard way via respeccing. 

 

On the other hand, we know at which level we took powers, that's essential to exemping effects on power availability and such. So, for example, the power taken at level 49 can't have more than four slots in it, because it comes with one, and we get three slots at fifty, so no matter how we slice it, that power can have at most four slots. Maybe that's the only hard limit?

 

Otherwise, the Slot Mover would also need to unslot any enhancement that was in the slot, or be limited to a slot that was empty. 

I assumed there would be some hard limits such as, perhaps:

You can only select the power, not the slot, and it simply chooses the last slot added to that power.

 

Any enhancement in the final slot in the power would be lost.

 

 

 

Regarding the legality, I think in Homecoming we are able to add slots in respecs that we would not be able to when levelling. Such as 6-slotting our level 49 power. So I'm not sure what limits there would have to be in that regard.

[MTeague 2595]

I don't care if it's a salvage or just an option during a respec to KEEP your current powers, KEEP your current slotting, and then move slots on a one-by-one basis. 

 

I mean, none of it is necessary. We all manage respecs under the current system just fine. And I literally have more respecs than I know what to do with. If I could auction respec tokens I get from superpacks, or even hand them out as a gift, pure gratis, I would.  But it would definitely be a quality of life improvemen to have some manner of "limited respec" to just move a couple slots around, keep your powers, and keep any power tray butttons untouched if that button involves a power you had both before AND after the respec.

 

I'm sure the coding work would be non-trivial. 

I'm sure they'd need to take a snapshot of additional data beforehand and do a bunch of compares during each stage of the respec. 

But I'm hopeful (though I do not truly KNOW) that respecs are kind of tucked away in their own section of code, and would have pretty low risk to any impact on how powers preform afterwards or have any risk of breaking missions, etc. 

[Yomo Kimyata 2004]

I like the idea, but I also suspect it would be difficult at best to implement.

 

But more importantly, I'm trying to assign a value to it.  Far more valuable than an unslotter.  Probably more valuable than a respec.

[MsSmart 132]

Love it!

 

Sue

[Andreah 528]

37 minutes ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

Probably more valuable than a respec

I could agree with that.

 

1 hour ago, MTeague said:

And I literally have more respecs than I know what to do with. If I could auction respec tokens I get from superpacks, or even hand them out as a gift, pure gratis, I would.

Totally on board here. Let me sell/trade those zillions of respec and even free tailor sessions. There are people who would love to buy them, or receive them as gifts.

[Greycat 2803]

I want to say it was tried and broke something, but I can't say I'm 100% (honestly, even 75%) on that memory. I wouldn't be *surprised* if a slot-move broke something... we've heard how the code is, after all!

 

I wouldn't argue with it being implemented if it's at all feasable, though.

[Wavicle 1023]

curious when the last time it may have been tried was...

[Tiger Shadow 85]

12 hours ago, Greycat said:

I want to say it was tried and broke something, but I can't say I'm 100% (honestly, even 75%) on that memory. I wouldn't be *surprised* if a slot-move broke something... we've heard how the code is, after all!

 

I wouldn't argue with it being implemented if it's at all feasable, though.

 

I know the live devs tried adding a bonus slot as a veteran reward, and it broke everything. I'm not sure if they tried a slot mover, but people certainly requested it fairly often on the forums.

[Greycat 2803]

32 minutes ago, Tiger Shadow said:

 

I know the live devs tried adding a bonus slot as a veteran reward, and it broke everything. I'm not sure if they tried a slot mover, but people certainly requested it fairly often on the forums.

 

That might be what I was thinking of.

[Vanden 2047]

On 3/31/2021 at 5:52 PM, Andreah said:

On the other hand, we know at which level we took powers, that's essential to exemping effects on power availability and such. So, for example, the power taken at level 49 can't have more than four slots in it, because it comes with one, and we get three slots at fifty, so no matter how we slice it, that power can have at most four slots. Maybe that's the only hard limit?

SCoRE got rid of that limitation years ago. You can put your slots wherever the heck you want when respecing.

[Clave Dark 5 593]

On 3/31/2021 at 3:55 PM, Normal Thomas said:

I believe respecs are already level agnostic on slots and I believe you can 6 slot something at 50 because you have all powers available to slot at once.

Pretty sure of that yeah.  But it's an interesting thought experiment: if we tampered in god's domain and created this unholy slot-moving ability, how would people feel about being able to slot a 49 power past four slots?  Is there an argument to be made against it?

[Wavicle 1023]

1 minute ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

Pretty sure of that yeah.  But it's an interesting thought experiment: if we tampered in god's domain and created this unholy slot-moving ability, how would people feel about being able to slot a 49 power past four slots?  Is there an argument to be made against it?

You can  already do that in a respec at 50, that’s what they meant by “agnostic”.

Edited April 3 by Wavicle

[Clave Dark 5 593]

3 minutes ago, Wavicle said:

You can  already do that in a respec at 50, that’s what they meant by “agnostic”.

Oh, I misread and thought you couldn't do that at 50.  You can see how often I mess around with respecing I guess.