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This is for AE 801(link), specifically 801.7, if you don't know what that is then follow the link, and run a few missions.  In short it's much like playing somewhere between +5x8 and +8x8.

 

If you can make any of these builds better, I welcome the feedback.

 

I've never cursed Sentinel design nearly as much as I have the past week.  The slightly lower armor has been a nightmare to work around.

 

Outside of 801 and a very few other niche cases, there are likely better alternatives to the Sentinel

  • Armored Blaster.  Defense and DDR Issues.  Blasters struggle more starting as low as 801.3.  When you stress the builds, you can really start seeing the difference. If all you run are +0 Speed TFs, you'll never notice, and probably not even chip a nail.  But in 801 as you go up the difficulty ladder, you will start noticing the differences.
  • Huntsman are still probably the best Sentinel, ... but can't reach the insane defense levels needed for 801, and no DDR.  I run one of these and probably always will.
  • Other Veats, ... Most have minimal to no DDR and much lower defense levels.  Nightwidows are not completey off the table, but still have DDR issues.
  • FF/, ... Primarily DDR issues.  But I run one of these to fill the same niche.  Better resting defense, No DDR, and no T9 Defenses.  It doesn't have much of a chance in 801.7 and up.  The sentinel should be ok in 801.7, and possibly up to 801.9.
  • Time/, ... Pretty much the same as FF above.  Primarily DDR issues.  Great in 801.6, but 801.7 is a tiny bit too much, and the Sentinel should be ok in 801.7, and possibly up to 801.9.

 

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Why Water Blast: Healing and Utility.  You could also use Dark for the Healing at least.
 

Spoiler

 

Even running perma def/res caps (barely), isn't enough due to debuffs and lack of healing.  Inspirations (primarily large oranges) can deal with the debuffs if you are proactive and never blink.   However, even then, I find myself having to use a green every minute or more.  That's not sustainable.  

 

This applies to all the 75% resist cap ATs.  You'll either need a bit better healing, and/or support.  Or better yet Defense, Resist, and Healing support.  As another example  /Bio has great healing/regen.   However, even std defense capped and resist capped it's not enough.   I can eat purples to hit the defense i-cap, but that still doesn't help with DDR, or I have to eat an unsustainably large number of them. Same with resist.  While I can resist cap (at 75%), that still leaves a 25% RDR gap and no real resist buffer vs debuffs.   So while I can burst and off-tank using Medium or Large Dual Def/Res inspirations with /Bio Regeneration and Absorb Bursts ... eventually all that hits a valley and I *insta-splat*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This should play very much like the Stalker.  In 7 and above, turtle up in the T9s.  Use Rune first, so you can Rune/Hybrid/Rune.  But Primarily you use Rune First so you can use it's non-volatile timer to know when your T9 is going to crash.

You can also use Overload's timer, but if you get external recharge buffs, they can mess with that and make it unreliable.

Also, use Demonic and Wedding band to help cover gaps.   You can double up two chains with a demonic in-between for 7minutes of uninterrupted T9 fighting.  You can use inspirations in-between as well.

 

Ageless, .... 60s Gap .... Rune, Overload, ... Hybrid, Ageless, ... Phase, Energize, Recovery Serum, ... Ageless

The timing on Ageless is a PITA, if you mess it up, don't worry about it.  Just drop back and hide, and/or use a blue.

 

The main difference is the loss of ShadowMeld.  ShadowMeld with Rune/Hybrid makes normal Carnies a bit of a non-issue.  In 801 ShadowMeld helps fill in gaps and gives you more options.  You will definitely feel the loss.

 

When I get this one done, hopefully I can get some stats and results and post back, assuming I don't get distracted my 7 other alts first.

 

I'm planning on building the B variant.  Yes I'm aware it doesn't have both T1 and T2 powers.  I picked this one primarily for more AoE.  It should have a nice, if imperfect, AoE Chain when done.

 

The C variant has more ST damage, and can punch through T9 armors with Psionic damage.  That was originally going to be the build I picked. 

However, most of CoH values AoE over ST damage, and T9 armors are really only an issue in soloing ITFs.

 

The A variant has both T1 and T2.

 

Neither A nor C are as mature or revised a build.  I spent the most time on B.  Hopefully it will all pay off.

Water Ena Sent - 801 T9 1c - [i25].mxd Water Ena Sent - 801 T9 1a - [i25].mxd

Water Ena Sent - 801 T9 1b - [i25].mxd

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AE 801 (link) is a variety of missions for fun and challenge, and is designed for a team of 5+ Incarnates.  Just search '801' in AE.  Difficulty Varies: 801.0 Easy, ..., 801.2 Standard, ..., 801.5 Hard, ..., 801.8 Extreme, ..., 801.A Epic, ... 801.F Death.

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57 minutes ago, Linea said:

*snip*

 

Yes I'm aware it doesn't have both T1 and T2 powers. 


Welcome to a safe space where no one here is going to chastise you for not taking both the T1 and T2.  

The builds are heavily aligned towards defense which makes sense in the content.  However, why pick Water Blast and skip Steam Spray?  Why take this set with an AoE Immobilize and also skip Whirlpool?  It seems like the answer is to stack more defensive measures,... 
  
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I almost never take the Steam_Spray and similar cones.  Cones are a PITA to hit max targets, and somewhat less flexible.  I just don't want to have to deal with a short range cone.  The shorter range on this one just makes me dislike it even more.

 

Whirlpool DPA is better, but DPR worse, and Avoid is both a benefit and detriment.  DPR in this context is more useful, unless I decide I want the survivability benefit of Avoid.  I usually do like the Avoid Element.

 

An AoE Immobilize is one of those things I wish I had on every non-taunt build.  And this one does damage, and can make a nice chain of:  Fences, Burst, Fences, 2s gap, repeat.  Whirlpool won't fit as well, and while Spray might perform better (it also might not) I don't want to be forced into close range to use it, either.

 

Fences worked into the build nicely.  It wasn't my first choice, my first was going to be Psionic Spike damage for taking out T9 EBs.

 

Whirlpool:            60r25,    48.4 dpa,     1.74 dpr,     16 tgts
Steam Spray:     40<50,    36.7 dpa,     4.50 dpr,     10 tgts
Chain Fences:     80r30,     32.2 dpa,     2.59 dpr,     16 tgts
* I did not double check dpa and dpr numbers, and have notice some minor variances.

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AE 801 (link) is a variety of missions for fun and challenge, and is designed for a team of 5+ Incarnates.  Just search '801' in AE.  Difficulty Varies: 801.0 Easy, ..., 801.2 Standard, ..., 801.5 Hard, ..., 801.8 Extreme, ..., 801.A Epic, ... 801.F Death.

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Here's a variation on the build you've suggested, with a different secondary. DDR is fairly well handled. A combination of rehabilitating circuit and absorb helps to handle the healing when attacks land, as long as the sentinel is on a team. Scaling resists and rune of protection are available if heavy damage seems headed this sentinel's way. 

 

The build offers 3 AOE attacks and 3 single target attacks. 

 

This is quite likely because of limited experience in 801 on my part. But, this build does not incorporate the secondary T9. If it is an essential pick then it could be fitted into the build. 

 

It'll be interesting to hear just how far off the mark this build might be, in feedback. 

 

Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.1.25
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Level 50 Magic Sentinel
Primary Power Set: Psychic Blast
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Electricity Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Telekinetic Blast -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(37), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(3), ShlWal-Def/Rchg(3), ShlWal-Def(5), Ksm-ToHit+(39)
Level 2: Focused Senses -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(5), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Rct-Def/Rchg(7), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Rct-ResDam%(9)
Level 4: Agile -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(13), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 6: Will Domination -- SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg(A), SprSntWar-Dmg/Rchg(25), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprSntWar-Rchg/+Absorb(23)
Level 8: Psychic Focus -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 10: Master Brawler -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal(21), Pnc-Heal/+End(21)
Level 12: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(15), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(15), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(17), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 16: Enduring -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 18: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(19), RedFrt-Def(19)
Level 20: Dodge -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 22: Spirit Ward -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(50)
Level 24: Mystic Flight -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 26: Rune of Protection -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), UnbGrd-Max HP%(27), UnbGrd-ResDam(27), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(29), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(29)
Level 28: Quickness -- Run-I(A)
Level 30: Psionic Tornado -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(40), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(40), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), PstBls-Dam%(43), FrcFdb-Rechg%(39)
Level 32: Psychic Wail -- SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprOppStr-Dmg/Rchg(33), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SprOppStr-Rchg/+Opportunity(33)
Level 35: Chain Fences -- SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Evasion -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def(48), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(46), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 41: Havoc Punch -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(42), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Mk'Bit-Dam%(43)
Level 44: Rehabilitating Circuit -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(45), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Prv-Heal/Rchg(45), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(46), Prv-Absorb%(46)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Opportunity 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(23)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PwrTrns-+Heal(25)
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16 hours ago, Linea said:

I almost never take the Steam_Spray and similar cones.  Cones are a PITA to hit max targets, and somewhat less flexible.  I just don't want to have to deal with a short range cone.  The shorter range on this one just makes me dislike it even more.

 

Whirlpool DPA is better, but DPR worse, and Avoid is both a benefit and detriment.  DPR in this context is more useful, unless I decide I want the survivability benefit of Avoid.  I usually do like the Avoid Element.

 

An AoE Immobilize is one of those things I wish I had on every non-taunt build.  And this one does damage, and can make a nice chain of:  Fences, Burst, Fences, 2s gap, repeat.  Whirlpool won't fit as well, and while Spray might perform better (it also might not) I don't want to be forced into close range to use it, either.

 

Fences worked into the build nicely.  It wasn't my first choice, my first was going to be Psionic Spike damage for taking out T9 EBs.

 

Whirlpool:            60r25,    48.4 dpa,     1.74 dpr,     16 tgts
Steam Spray:     40<50,    36.7 dpa,     4.50 dpr,     10 tgts
Chain Fences:     80r30,     32.2 dpa,     2.59 dpr,     16 tgts
* I did not double check dpa and dpr numbers, and have notice some minor variances.

 

Thanks for the response.  

I've read over your works before and already have a good idea on how thorough you are.  Maybe I should have opened with that.  Anyway,  you're essentially confirming to me you've already thought through what is available to you.  Given the limitations of the Sentinel, as it currently is, I don't see space in your build for meaningful changes.  

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I'd stick the Reactive Armor Scaling resist proc in Kinetic Shield and +5 the Def/End and the LotG for a slight loss of S/L defense for a 3%+ resist to all but psi.  If you +5 some other defense IOs you could probably replace more of the loss.

 

I'm not sure of the slotting on Rune, as we are now stuck at 180/60.  But Mids hasn't updated that yet.  And I know you'd still want the set bonuses.

 

The problem with Sentinels, I find, is not surviving; it's damaging.  So while this might be able to stay standing in your 801s juggling Rune and Overload and Temp Powers, it's not going to be clearing very quickly.  To that end, you may want to put Gaussian in Tidal Forces and +5 the other recharge.

 

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Nice Catch.  I swapped the PvP Defense into KS and +5d them, then put the scaling into RF.  Net No-Loss even when malfactored.

 

Rune is for the bonuses.

 

I'd love the Guassians in TF, but No clue where to steal a slot.  There's little to be gained from going above (50+5, 50+1), 23.32 vs 23.48.  If you do use Guassians, I prefer (50+2, 10+3) for the 95% proc rate.  Double BU on demand trumps a second or two on recharge, IMO.

 

 

AE 801 (link) is a variety of missions for fun and challenge, and is designed for a team of 5+ Incarnates.  Just search '801' in AE.  Difficulty Varies: 801.0 Easy, ..., 801.2 Standard, ..., 801.5 Hard, ..., 801.8 Extreme, ..., 801.A Epic, ... 801.F Death.

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9 hours ago, EnjoyTheJourney said:

It'll be interesting to hear just how far off the mark this build might be, in feedback.

 

RE: Psi SR

 

You need DDR Cap, and 60+ defense; or 80s DDR and 85+ defense. 

 

You also need Resist Cap.

 

You may or may not have enough healing capacity, but you'll need a live target to use it.  But then modify that by ...

 

Even with Rune up you'll be taking over double damage vs resist cap, and an additional triple damage vs incarnate-defense, if not 4x or higher considering debuffs.  At 50 defense, you're also in serious danger of cascade failure.  Anything less than 60def starts hitting the redzone, and 50 is critical, 45 instant failure.  So I suspect you're doomed in 7 and up.

 

AE 801 (link) is a variety of missions for fun and challenge, and is designed for a team of 5+ Incarnates.  Just search '801' in AE.  Difficulty Varies: 801.0 Easy, ..., 801.2 Standard, ..., 801.5 Hard, ..., 801.8 Extreme, ..., 801.A Epic, ... 801.F Death.

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7 hours ago, Linea said:

 

RE: Psi SR

 

You need DDR Cap, and 60+ defense; or 80s DDR and 85+ defense. 

 

You also need Resist Cap.

 

You may or may not have enough healing capacity, but you'll need a live target to use it.  But then modify that by ...

 

Even with Rune up you'll be taking over double damage vs resist cap, and an additional triple damage vs incarnate-defense, if not 4x or higher considering debuffs.  At 50 defense, you're also in serious danger of cascade failure.  Anything less than 60def starts hitting the redzone, and 50 is critical, 45 instant failure.  So I suspect you're doomed in 7 and up.

 

In short, the T9 and the carefully timed juggling / stacking of other powers are all essential to making a build work. 

 

The other key takeaway is that I don't know how the scaling works for where the softcap ends up being, depending on the level gap between characters and mobs. Even after re-reading the "purple patch" paragonwiki page, which did help for some issues, there is still some fogginess in my understanding of how level differences affect the interactions between defense rating and to hit values. I'll study that further sometime in the next day or so. 

 

Thank you very much for your feedback. 

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On 6/11/2021 at 11:39 AM, Linea said:

I'd love the Guassians in TF, but No clue where to steal a slot.  There's little to be gained from going above (50+5, 50+1), 23.32 vs 23.48.  If you do use Guassians, I prefer (50+2, 10+3) for the 95% proc rate.  Double BU on demand trumps a second or two on recharge, IMO.

How about just replacing one of the recharge with Gaussian proc?  How much of a difference in time are we talking about?  Less than 5 seconds, I think.

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