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On 9/8/2021 at 6:33 PM, Techwright said:
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Zombie Thanos already had the Time Stone, but that's why Ebony Maw was dispatched to Bleeker Street. 

 

 

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Thanos got the Time Stone some time after the Bleeker Street fight.

 

What's there to explain?

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5 hours ago, DougGraves said:

Before I bother watching this episode - does a hero fight another hero in it?

Only very briefly, like for a few seconds of confusion.  No this is definitely a villain verses the heroes kind of episode.

 

Good episode, in my opinion.  Definitely took things in an unexpected direction.  I do have a grievance with one element of the episode, though, although it is minor in light of the whole.

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I'm not happy by how they glossed over the frame-up at the vibranium theft.  Both Waukanda and the USA would be pouring over that room looking for detailed forensic evidence (fingerprints, DNA, angles of attack, etc.) long before pointing fingers of blame.  Seeing a unique gun into the hands of a dead man is not cause to start a war without so much more.

 

Likewise glossing over Eric showing up and saying "Yeah, I'm USA special ops, and we're at war, but I love Waukanda!" is not enough.  Public renouncement of his US rank and citizenship, severing all ties with the past should have come first.  Yes, I know T'Chaka had a guilty conscience.  Still need the clean break.

 

 

Anyone else notice that each episode the Watcher seems to be brought more and more into the spotlight?  A previous episode had him spotted by one in the story, this episode, I think, is the first time he's not been just a ghostly image in the background.  Makes me wonder if they're building towards something.

 

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Episode 7 thoughts:

 

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I personally found this to be the weakest episode of the series so far.  Nothing weighty to it, save for the very ending.  Even the "T'challa as Star Lord" episode felt a bit weightier than this.  About the only interesting thing was the number of guest voice actors reprising their roles from the live action version.

 

That had to have been the longest Bifrost portal travel in history.  The number of clean-ups and repairs would take days.  Even Quicksilver would not reverse things that fast.  I felt like I was watching a Looney Toons cartoon rather than a light-hearted episode of "What If...?".

 

That said, the ending clearly will have effect for the next two episodes, and I'm quite liking the idea.  Seeing the Watcher genuinely surprised was unexpected and fun, as well.

 

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It was about what I expected, pointless and dad jokey 

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but the big question I had with it - how did he have Mjolnir? Does leaving Loki with the frost giants transform the whole concept of worthiness in that universe to keg stands or something?

 

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I think the real plot hole that needs addressed here is...

 

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If only the worthy can lift Mjolnir, why is Captain Marvel still breathing? Shouldn't the weight of a dying star collapsing create enough force to prevent her diaphragm from expanding to inhale air? I NEED ANSWERS PEOPLE, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF! 🤣

 

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21 hours ago, Mr. Vee said:
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but the big question I had with it - how did he have Mjolnir? Does leaving Loki with the frost giants transform the whole concept of worthiness in that universe to keg stands or something?

 

 

20 hours ago, Glacier Peak said:
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If only the worthy can lift Mjolnir, why is Captain Marvel still breathing? Shouldn't the weight of a dying star collapsing create enough force to prevent her diaphragm from expanding to inhale air? I NEED ANSWERS PEOPLE, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF! 🤣

 

 

The answer is simple. The worthiness test is a curse placed on Mjølnir by Odin after Thor disobeyed him. Clearly that never happened in this timeline.

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1 hour ago, Ulysses Dare said:

The answer is simple. The worthiness test is a curse placed on Mjølnir by Odin after Thor disobeyed him. Clearly that never happened in this timeline.

In light of the events of Ragnarok, what are the actual capabilities of the hammer, then?  Just a very heavy/dense/hard hammer that returns to its user?

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I think realistically, it's a mistake on the part of the writers, but for our purposes...

There IS an enchantment on Mjolnir in that timeline, but it's clearly not about worthiness. More like, "Only Thor Is Worthy To Wield This Hammer" until they let Ultron/Vision wield it (my prediction, not a spoiler).

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4 hours ago, Ulysses Dare said:

 

 

The answer is simple. The worthiness test is a curse placed on Mjølnir by Odin after Thor disobeyed him. Clearly that never happened in this timeline.

 

I almost posted this, then I saw you answered it.  Spot on.  But then I saw Wavicle's note and realized it is correct, too, as exhibited by the setting down of the hammer.

 

2 hours ago, Wavicle said:

I think realistically, it's a mistake on the part of the writers, but for our purposes...

There IS an enchantment on Mjolnir in that timeline, but it's clearly not about worthiness. More like, "Only Thor Is Worthy To Wield This Hammer" until they let Ultron/Vision wield it (my prediction, not a spoiler).

Only Thor and elevators.  We mustn't forget them.

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On 8/16/2021 at 2:24 AM, Heraclea said:

Yes, it's derivative.  I nevertheless enjoyed it thoroughly.  Back to the drawing board.....


Sorry, I just completely fail to respond to "derivative".

ALL literature is derivative.  Variations on the same tales, retelling the same things, over and over again in different ways.

Also, it missed the point.

This is "WHAT IF?".

Being derivative is THE POINT!

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On 8/15/2021 at 3:37 AM, DougGraves said:

I assume the portal tentacle monster ending was a salute to the Hellboy movie.

 

No, it was a shout-out to our friend from Independence Port, right down to the "who ordered the Calamari" running gag.

(Probably).

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