Wiki Missing Small Dual Inspirations

[Tailcoat]

I don't know anything about editing wikis, but I noticed that this page: https://hcwiki.cityofheroes.dev/wiki/Inspirations is lacking small dual inspirations. I'm working on updates to the CityBinder app, including adding functionality to assign shortcuts to duals, so that confused me when I saw Keen, Revitalized, and Shielded in the AH but not the wiki.

[Shenanigunner]

Unfortunately, as has been discussed in a couple of recent threads, the wiki is out of date and incomplete on a large scale. Updates since HC have been very selective and many are boilerplate copying from patch notes and the like (if not other outdated or irrelevant sources for other servers); it is not unusual to go through a list of elements and find (basically) slugs like [INSERT ACTUAL POWER NUMBERS HERE].

 

There are (far too) many entries that are completely misleading; you have to be a very knowledgeable player to be able to know what's right, what's outdated, what's useful and what's become gibberish. It's not, as I said in an other post, just a few rust spots.

 

We need a concerted effort composed of many, many knowledgeable players to update at least the core entries.

 

(And that's also why I get exasperated when someone seeking information is told, whether kindly or with some snark, to go look it up in the wiki.)

 

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Shenanigunner

[SuperPlyx]

On 8/19/2021 at 3:56 PM, Tailcoat said:

lacking small dual inspirations

Wiki page updated with this info

 

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why I get exasperated when someone seeking information is told, whether kindly or with some snark, to go look it up in the wiki.

@Shenanigunner  I am curious what you think we should say then? Isn't even incomplete information of some use? Should we try to explain enhancement diversification in the game Help channel?  Explain the bind and macro process  in chat to someone with no knowledge of the system?

Edited August 21, 2021 by SuperPlyx

[Shenanigunner]

If you're referring someone to the relatively small pool of entries that are up-to-date enough to be useful, it's not a problem. And yes, things like ED are fairly well explained and accurate and certainly easier to explain by reference than by whacking away in chat.

 

And that's the whole point of a game wiki.

 

But when a large and increasing number of entries are outdated or imcomplete — down to just a stub that barely lists, say, a power name and which set it belongs to — it's not very useful to anyone and can be pointlessly frustrating to someone who doesn't have ten years of game knowledge under their utility belt, so that even crummy, partial info is useful. Telling someone asking a very basic, noob question to go look it up is not helpful if the entries they find are wrong, or have those aggravating SOMEONE PUT INFO HERE SOME DAY tags. They asked, they got sent off to the South 40... and got no answers.

 

(I won't even address the issue of bind and macros; I didn't go down the fork of writing a completely separate manual for those and related topics because the wiki, pinned Reddit posts and the like were such killer ways to manage the info. I think a lot of the reason players reject binds is because being tossed into a haphazard swamp of criss-crossing wiki entries that aren't always up to date is less than unhelpful.)

 

I suppose the 1913 Brittanica one of my siblings still has on a shelf somewhere is useful for looking up some things... but, you know, when the entry for WOMAN says SEE: MAN and it's a bit short on the atomic physics stuff added in Issue 1945... well, flapping a hand and telling someone to "go look it up" isn't very helpful.

 

The point here is: a wiki is a good, essential thing for a game and environment this complex. And it's flat-out rotted to the point where it's a 50-50 shot that the info you seek is there, up to date, and complete enough to be useful to anyone but a charter player. Maybe some community time to bring it up to the 2020's would be a worthwhile project.

[Shenanigunner]

So what's the thumbs-down for? That the wiki is perfect? That it's the only needed resource for those with questions? Or that it's pointless to suggest it needs a major effort to update to HC, much less I27-2?

 

But okay. Across several professional fields and forty years, I've learned it's a universal that people will stick with and defend a broken tool rather than find a better one or even bother to sharpen the poor thing from time to time. Carry on. 🙂

[Tailcoat]

On 8/21/2021 at 8:00 AM, SuperPlyx said:

Wiki page updated with this info

 

@Shenanigunner  I am curious what you think we should say then? Isn't even incomplete information of some use? Should we try to explain enhancement diversification in the game Help channel?  Explain the bind and macro process  in chat to someone with no knowledge of the system?

Thanks for updating!

 

[RCU7115]

I may be wrong but I believe the wiki is  meant to contain only information that was during Live up to the sunset. I think it's part of the Titan Network.

Tony V wanted to not add any of the Homecoming data to it before he handed it over to whoever is watching over it now.

[Doc_Scorpion]

1 hour ago, RCU7115 said:

I may be wrong but I believe the wiki is  meant to contain only information that was during Live up to the sunset. I think it's part of the Titan Network.

That's a different wiki.  Homecoming has it's own wiki now: https://hcwiki.cityofheroes.dev/wiki/Main_Page

[TombTyrant]

Shenanigunner is not wrong, and thumbs downing his posts wont change that. The Wiki is much better than nothing at all, but it will also give you bad information in many places that you might look.

[Sakai]

While we are here is there a specific spot we collect Wiki info that is out of date? Occasionally come across stuff but not sure what to do. 

[Shenanigunner]

1 hour ago, Sakai said:

While we are here is there a specific spot we collect Wiki info that is out of date? Occasionally come across stuff but not sure what to do. 

 

The idea is that when you find something wrong, you correct it, not tell someone else to.

 

But I understand how that point has gotten... misplaced.

[Sakai]

18 minutes ago, Shenanigunner said:

 

The idea is that when you find something wrong, you correct it, not tell someone else to.

 

But I understand how that point has gotten... misplaced.

Fair enough.  Then I shall join in whatever way I need to and correct away.  Thank you.

[AboveTheChemist]

11 hours ago, Sakai said:

Fair enough.  Then I shall join in whatever way I need to and correct away.  Thank you.

This is meant as general advice for anyone that wants to help with the wiki, but for anything more than minor corrections here and there, it might be beneficial to join and post in the HC wiki club. That way you can avoid potentially duplicating efforts with another editor, and you can also get help with the more complex aspects of the wiki editor if needed. Also, it's not uncommon for the more experienced wiki editors to shadow new folks for a little bit, to make sure that what's been edited is accurate and consistent with the rest of the wiki. Thank you kindly for being willing to help out with the wiki!