/ninjitsu and Ageless Radial

[Randolk]

- Softcapped positional defs

- Fast recharge end management tool

- Fast recharge self heal

- Crit from stealth

- Close to immune to def debuffs

- Confuse and fear status protection

 

Am I missing something? That's a pretty impressive arsenal.

Edited September 7, 2021 by Randolk

[Sancerre]

what you are missing is that even if you spam ageless radial on CD, you only have a persistent ~55% DDR... not particularly 'close to immune'.  after one minute you only keep something like 21% debuff resistance for the last minute.

shield defense and super reflexes are 'close to immune', both being able to maintain 90%++ on scrapper.

also the crit from stealth is kinda meaningless but nice fluff when it happens.

 

nin is still pretty good overall anyways, but vulnerable cascading defense failure.  also there are no offensive attributes in the set (+dmg or +recharge)

[Randolk]

Ok, I got it.

But looking at shield def is not quite there. I am looking at 55% with one stack of Active Defense and 72% with two, which is for a few secs...at least on my build, that is.

[nihilii]

Following what Sancerre said, I'd go Barrier rather than Ageless Radial with /nin.

- your native end click gives you much more than Ageless

- Barrier's defense acts as buffer against defense debuffs

- Barrier's resistance stacks with your own

 

Scrapper /nin is very nice. It's only "limited" by animation times, and the inevitable comparison with Shield who also gets an aggro aura on top.

[Sancerre]

On 9/7/2021 at 1:40 PM, Randolk said:

Ok, I got it.

But looking at shield def is not quite there. I am looking at 55% with one stack of Active Defense and 72% with two, which is for a few secs...at least on my build, that is.

 

nin gets 34.6% DDR baseline.  shield with double stack active defense gets 70% DDR.  you can in fact maintain 100% uptime on double active defense with 2 recharge IOs and standard (near) perma-hasten level global recharge.  ageless radial has a -persistent- 21.25% additional DDR (the first minute of ageless has a lot more debuff resistance).

 

so with ageless radial, nin can maintain a MINIMUM DDR of 56%, but shield can maintain a MINIMUM DDR of 91%.  the difference is very much night and day when you -need- DDR, but there is also plenty of content that it wont even matter.

 

if you decide on barrier instead, you should look to use it for emergencies instead of just pressing it to maintain the constant 5% defense/resistance (for NIN specifically)

 

again i think /nin is a fairly strong set, but it has a clear weakness there... just as shield has a weakness with no endurance/heal tools.  find ways to patch up what you can through incarnates, IOs, ancillary pools, epic pools, etc.

[aethereal]

I've been using a DB/Nin scrapper recently, and yeah, barrier is very nice while soloing incarnate content, especially defense debuffers.  I don't miss the ddr from ageless compared to the additional defense buffer and large resist bonuses that give me plenty of time to kill defense debuffers before the barrier bonuses decay.