New plant/storm looking for advice

[Zulgeek]

Hello! Created a plant/storm controller last night and I'm really enjoying it. Still low level though. What are the must have powers and the skippable powers? Thanks for any advice!

[Carnifax]

Plant : Seeds & Creepers, single target hold are must have. Flytrap is a decent pet. AoE Immob is useful for Storm. Vines is skippable but it's occasionally useful and takes nice sets (I went Lockdown for the Ranged Def & extra hold mag for a few seconds)

Storm : Freezing Rain is the beast in here. Steamy mist, Tornado (with a Knockback to Knockdown IO) and Lightning are decent. Hurricane and O2 are situational but I take them. Hurricane is a monster -ToHit debuff but you need to learn how to use it to push enemies where you want them rather than scattering them randomly. 

 

My build is here. I like Ice epic for the Freezing Rain + Roots + Ice Storm combo. 

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This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.2.17
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Lacewing: Level 50 Natural Controller
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Strangler -- SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SprWiloft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(3), SprWiloft-EndRdx/Rchg(3), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(5), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(5), SprWiloft-Rchg/Dmg%(7)
Level 1: Gale -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A)
Level 2: Roots -- Dtn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7)
Level 4: O2 Boost -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(11), NmnCnv-Heal(13), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(13), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(15)
Level 6: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff-I(15)
Level 8: Seeds of Confusion -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(17), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(17), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(19), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(19), CrcPrs-Conf%(21)
Level 10: Steamy Mist -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(21), UnbGrd-ResDam(23), Ksm-ToHit+(23), Rct-ResDam%(25), DefBuff-I(25)
Level 12: Fly -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(27)
Level 16: Freezing Rain -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), RechRdx-I(27), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 18: Vines -- Lck-Acc/Hold(A), Lck-Acc/Rchg(29), Lck-Rchg/Hold(31), Lck-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(31), Lck-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(31), Lck-%Hold(33)
Level 20: Hurricane -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(33), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(33), DarWtcDsp-Rchg/EndRdx(34)
Level 22: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff-I(34)
Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Carrion Creepers -- Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech(A), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(34), PstBls-Dam%(36), TraoftheH-Dam%(36), Bmbdmt-+FireDmg(36), JvlVll-Dam%(37)
Level 28: Tough -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(37), UnbGrd-ResDam(37), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(39), GldArm-3defTpProc(39)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff-I(39), DefBuff-I(40)
Level 32: Fly Trap -- ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(A), TchofLadG-%Dam(40), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(40), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(42), AchHee-ResDeb%(42), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 35: Tornado -- OvrFrc-Dam/KB(A), FrcFdb-Rechg%(43), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(43), ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(43), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 38: Lightning Storm -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(45), ExpStr-Dam%(46), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 41: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(48)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- Ann-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Ann-Acc/Dmg(48), Ann-Dmg/Rchg(50), Ann-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), Ann-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Evasive Maneuvers 
Level 1: Containment 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), EndMod-I(9), EndMod-I(9)
Level 12: Afterburner 
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Edited September 2, 2022 by Carnifax

[Zulgeek]

Thank you for the info!

[Delduath]

Is there a build for us poor new people while leveling this on what IO's to put in when just buying from the stores or what we find?  Rather than sets?

Edited September 29, 2022 by Delduath

[Doomguide2005]

     Well my computer died so I can't post an actual Mids build but roughly this is what I be looking at overall:

• Strangler - acc, endred, then holds
• Roots - acc, 2×endred, then immobs
• Seeds - acc, endred, 3×recharge
• Spirit Tree - optional - endred, 2×recharge, 2 heal
• Vines - acc, 2 endred, 2×recharge, 
• Carrion Creepers - acc, endred, 3 damage
• Fly Trap - acc, endred, 3×damage

Storm:

• Gale - acc
• O2 Boost - optional - endred, 2×heal, 2×recharge 
• Snow Storm - optional - endred (one slot wonder for slow, -fly)
• Steamy Mist - 2 endred, defense and or resistance to taste (I'd be happy pre IOs with 2 and 2)
• Freezing Rain - 2×endred, 2×recharge (no acc or other enhancement needed)
• Hurricane - 2×endred, 2×to hit debuff
• Thunderclap - I'd skip, no AoE stun in Plant to stack stuns (otherwise my Stormies take)
• Tornado - 1×endred, 2×recharge, 3×damage (no acc needed, auto hit)
• Lightning Storm - 1×acc, 2×endred, 3×damage (or 1×recharge and 1×endred)

     Ultimately the exact enhancement and slotting isn't make or break especially while leveling and learning an AT.  But attacks in general cost more end/sec than defensive toggles so accuracy is important to avoid burning that end on a whiff, then endred to reduce that cost.  The rest is mostly finding an enhancement balance that works for you.

     Frankken-slotting can be a very useful.  That's using set IOs for their enhancement value and not for their set bonuses.  For example, using 2 endred/recharge IOs from any set as a source in 2-slotted Freezing Rain gives you more enhancement than using 1 endred and 1 recharge in those 2 slots.  Same in Steamy Mist slotting a mix of defense/endred and resistance/endred will end up giving you more value in the same number of slots.  Yes, in the long runs using sets as sets is generally stronger but using frankken-slotting is in general more slot efficient and stronger than using straight up SOs or even Generic IOs for your build.  There are also a number of special IOs that can be used to strengthen a build without going whole hog into IO sets and can be had using merits you earn just doing story arcs and task forces.  And I'm sure plenty of advice will flow in about how it's fairly easy and straightforward to use the market to generate lots of wealth very quickly and easily.   Or send a text to @Yomo Kimyataand afaik he's still giving away funds to newcomers.  I doubt we will ever bleed him dry but we can keep trying (as he giggles and counts his pile) 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Doomguide2005
Typos always with the typos.

[krj12]

Skipped in my build:

Spore blast

Spirit Tree 

O2 Boost 

Snow Storm 

Thunder Clap

 

 

[Ringo]

Now that the Sleep is Autohit, Spore Burst is a good one slot wonder to help facilitate control aggro/strategic withdrawal.  Just don't throw Roots at that group!

 

Otherwise, yeah I skip all those too

[Doomguide2005]

     Okay that's interesting, CoD lists Seeds as "Always" on the 'Notify Mobs' line.  Been long enough that I don't clearly recall if this is true or an incorrect entry.  Typically that entry when used means the power will cause aggro on you if, for example, the boss isn't confused.  Of course, most bosses, afaik, do not have confuse protection and are confused by the base mag of Seeds making it only matter if/when the duration expires.  But you could use other confuses all day, for example, Deceive or Mass Confusion and never have them aggro?

 

PS:  World of Confusion same thing but there makes a sense it also causes damage.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Doomguide2005
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[Riverdusk]

7 hours ago, Doomguide2005 said:

     Okay that's interesting, CoD lists Seeds as "Always" on the 'Notify Mobs' line.  Been long enough that I don't clearly recall if this is true or an incorrect entry.  Typically that entry when used means the power will cause aggro on you if, for example, the boss isn't confused.  Of course, most bosses, afaik, do not have confuse protection and are confused by the base mag of Seeds making it only matter if/when the duration expires.  But you could use other confuses all day, for example, Deceive or Mass Confusion and never have them aggro?

 

PS:  World of Confusion same thing but there makes a sense it also causes damage.

 

Seeds does notify mobs, it is just different in that way from most other confuses.   Also seems reasonable to give it a drawback like that for balance reasons when you are looking at it compared to Mass Confusion.

 

It also will not confuse bosses with its base mag (mag 3 only, a normal boss needs mag 4) unless it "crits" which it has a 20% chance to do for an extra mag bringing it up to mag 4.   The purple Contagious Confusion proc can help with that though eventually by adding extra mag when it procs.  Or unless you are a dom using it under domination of course.

[Ringo]

Riverdusk is correct.  Which is why opening with Seeds against mobs that can't be Confused is generally a death sentence

[Doomguide2005]

     Thanks all, can tell it has gotten to be a while since being in game.  And agree Seeds is plenty powerful (particularly for what lvl you can grab it) to warrant it.  

[Ringo]

Okay, here's my most recently updated build for my main, Jenny Chaos:

 

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Pros:

Positional Defenses - Ranged 44.9%, AoE 45.5%, Melee 23.65% (if you're getting melee'd, turn on Hurricane for a -30% to hit debuff on your attackers + repel)

Resistances - S/L 75%, Energy 74%, Fire/Cold 44.9% (Surge of Power can boost everything but Psionic if you need it)

Max HP: +179, Regen: 188%

Recharge Debuff Resist: 35%

Global Recharge: 227%  Global Accuracy: +15%  Global Damage: +14%

Sprint (with Celerity Stealth) + Steamy Mist = True Stealth.  Just remember to "/release_pets all" to drop Fly Trap and Creepers before you start running for that blinky/boss room

 

Cons:

Hasten is 20 seconds short of Perma

No real Negative/Toxic/Psi damage resists

End Hungry Build is End Hungry

No Def Debuff resistances, Cascade Failures will happen (if you don't Hurricane)

 

How it plays:

Seeds->Roots->Freezing Rain->Tornado->Lightning Storm->Roots->Strangler

Alternate Roots and Strangler on anything not Confused (Bosses and higher usually) and throw down parts of your original chain when they recharge if the mobs haven't melted.  This combo generally eliminates minions/lts with ease, but struggles to really pour it on for hard targets. 

 

Tornado and Lightning Storm are your big hitters, but both Roots and Freezing Rain have -res procs (that will stack with each other) so don't forget to reapply.  Lightning Storm, Roots, and Freezing Rain all benefit greatly from Procs, while I find that Tornado gets the most out of actually slotting damage.  You *can* slot a KB/KD Proc in Lightning Storm, but basically if anything isn't already Rooted, you don't want it to close the distance with you anyway, so KB is hardly a problem. 

 

Spore Burst is an autohit (and I didn't want to slot it, but it was necessary) that can buy you some time, but you have to position the sleeping group away from your pets.  Vines will also buy you time, but less of it, and on a longer recharge.  Handy for stacking Holds though.

 

Gale and Hurricane are excellent damage mitigation.  Gale doesn't have the accuracy slotted to be a true lockdown power, but with a 50ft range and 80 degree cone, you're going to knock enough mobs on their butt to help.  Hurricane gives that sweet -range and -30% Tohit debuff that combos with your sub-par melee defense to rise above the normal defensive Softcap.  Ranged and AoE attackers within the Debuff will be having an even worse time.  I believe the debuff range is slightly bigger than the hurricane animation?  Don't quote me on that.  Hurricane's Repel is also great as it can herd baddies into a corner for your tank or Tornado.  Both the debuff and repel work together to help you create safe zones for your ranged teammates.  Any mobs attempting to get through you to the blaster will have their tohit debuffed and their range shortened - meaning they will have to close the distance to even fire, which will then hit them with the repel and make them repeat the process.  KB/KD resistant foes will ignore the repel, but then your ranged buddies just need to make sure that any melee attacks are still standing in your hurricane when they start swinging.  Hug the Hurricane!  Love the Hurricane!

 

Of course, the Hurricane eats all your endurance - which is why you need Power Sink (and some choice Incarnate picks).  Of all the Epic pools, Mu's Power Sink has 1) the quickest recharge and 2) No Accuracy Check.  Between Power Sink and Lightning Storm you could potential sap your targets, but what you really want is to fill up your blue bar - and this will do that for you.  Eat early, Eat often

 

Seeds of Confusion is the bedrock on which the Plant/Storm is built.  So it needs to be said - against Confuse resistant foes, all your normal plans go out the window.  Gale, Hurricane, and Spore Burst suddenly become keys to survival, and you'll actually need to pay attention to killing the minions/lts instead of just assuming they're gonna melt.  Be Wary of Longbow!

Jenny Chaos 22.2 - Controller (Plant Control).mxd

[Ringo]

On 9/29/2022 at 10:27 AM, Delduath said:

Is there a build for us poor new people while leveling this on what IO's to put in when just buying from the stores or what we find?  Rather than sets?

Here's what my leveling build for Jenny Chaos would look like, @Delduath:

 

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This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Jenny Chaos: Level 50 Science Controller
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Strangler

• (A) Accuracy IO
• (3) Accuracy IO
• (3) Hold Duration IO
• (5) Hold Duration IO
• (5) Damage Increase IO
• (7) Damage Increase IO
  

Level 1: Gale

• (A) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback to Knockdown
• (7) Accuracy IO
• (9) Accuracy IO
  

Level 2: Roots

• (A) Accuracy IO
• (11) Accuracy IO
• (13) Damage Increase IO
• (13) Damage Increase IO
• (15) Endurance Reduction IO
• (15) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 4: O2 Boost

• (A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb
  

Level 6: Spore Burst

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (17) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 8: Seeds of Confusion

• (A) Accuracy IO
• (17) Accuracy IO
• (19) Recharge Reduction IO
• (19) Recharge Reduction IO
• (21) Confuse Duration IO
• (21) Range IO
  

Level 10: Steamy Mist

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
• (23) Endurance Reduction IO
• (23) Defense Buff IO
• (25) Defense Buff IO
• (25) Resist Damage IO
• (27) Resist Damage IO
  

Level 12: Hasten

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (27) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 14: Fly

• (A) Flight Speed IO
  

Level 16: Freezing Rain

• (A) Accuracy IO
• (29) Accuracy IO
• (29) Recharge Reduction IO
• (31) Recharge Reduction IO
• (31) Endurance Reduction IO
• (31) Damage Increase IO
  

Level 18: Vines

• (A) Accuracy IO
• (33) Accuracy IO
• (33) Hold Duration IO
• (33) Hold Duration IO
• (34) Recharge Reduction IO
• (34) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 20: Hurricane

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
• (34) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 22: Boxing

• (A) Empty
  

Level 24: Tough

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
• (36) Endurance Reduction IO
• (36) Resist Damage IO
• (36) Resist Damage IO
• (37) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
• (37) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
  

Level 26: Carrion Creepers

• (A) Accuracy IO
• (37) Accuracy IO
• (39) Damage Increase IO
• (39) Damage Increase IO
• (39) Recharge Reduction IO
• (40) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 28: Weave

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
• (40) Endurance Reduction IO
• (40) Defense Buff IO
• (42) Defense Buff IO
  

Level 30: Hover

• (A) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage
  

Level 32: Fly Trap

• (A) Accuracy IO
• (42) Accuracy IO
• (42) Damage Increase IO
• (43) Damage Increase IO
  

Level 35: Tornado

• (A) Damage Increase IO
• (43) Damage Increase IO
• (43) Recharge Reduction IO
• (45) Recharge Reduction IO
• (45) Endurance Reduction IO
• (45) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback to Knockdown
  

Level 38: Lightning Storm

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (46) Recharge Reduction IO
• (46) Endurance Reduction IO
• (46) Endurance Reduction IO
• (48) Accuracy IO
• (48) Damage Increase IO
  

Level 41: Power Sink

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 44: Charged Armor

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
• (48) Endurance Reduction IO
• (50) Resist Damage IO
• (50) Resist Damage IO
  

Level 47: Maneuvers

• (A) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
  

Level 49: Surge of Power

• (A) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP
  

Level 1: Containment

Level 1: Brawl

 

 

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Sprint

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 2: Rest

• (A) Interrupt Reduction IO
  

Level 1: Swift

• (A) Flight Speed IO
  

Level 1: Hurdle

• (A) Jumping IO
  

Level 1: Health

• (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
• (9) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
• (11) Miracle - +Recovery
  

Level 1: Stamina

• (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
  

Level 4: Afterburner

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There's a few Set IOs in there that I will get into.  The main thing to remember is that you can use the same SOs instead of the non-set IOs, it's just really expensive to keep upgrading them over time, so using IOs of at least level 25 or higher will give you the same bonuses as even level SOs or better (with higher levels).

 

Okay so the Set IOs in the build are the 3 in Health, 1 in Stamina, and 1 in 02 Boost that will increase your HP/Regen/End overall.  Highly recommended!  The 2 in Tough, 1 in Manuevers, 1 in Hover, and 1 in Surge of Power are all about boosting global resistances and defense (and total hp).  Not as necessary before the late game, but you'll want them all eventually.  Gale and Tornado have the Knockback to Knockdown Proc.  These are quality of life enhancements, and not major for Plant/Storm because you can use Roots to convert your immobilized targets from KB to KD.  At some point you may want to have the comfort of the Procs, but then again maybe not!

 

There's an alternate slotting on Power Sink with two set IOs.  It decreases the amount of end to use Power Sink and increases the amount of end gained per mob hit.  It's handy, but drops the recharge reduction.  Up to you.

 

The main difference here in how you run the leveling build is that you don't have the Defense, Recharge, or Endurance to run at full tilt.  As it is, Steamy Mist/Tough/Weave/Charged Armor are the only toggles you want to be running full time.  Your recharge is low, and your biggest powers don't come until late - so make good use of Spore Burst and Gale.  Keep your teammates alive with Hurricane and 02 boost (it clears Disorient/Stun and Blindness!)  Once you have Creepers, Tornado, and Lightning Storm you'll really be cooking.

Jenny Chaos Leveling - Controller (Plant Control).mxd

[Doomguide2005]

     I'd add one additional thing about O2 Boost which can especially helpful against Clockwork (such as during Synapse) or other end drainers is it provides end mod resistance (both recovery and -end) which stacks with itself.

[Voltak]

On 9/2/2022 at 2:02 PM, Zulgeek said:

Hello! Created a plant/storm controller last night and I'm really enjoying it. Still low level though. What are the must have powers and the skippable powers? Thanks for any advice!