Dual Blades do they ..

[FUBARczar]

Dual Blades do they ..do it all?

 

What helps DB the most? +Recharge? Or something else?

 

Thinking of pairing with EA or Stone

[SomeGuy]

DMG enhancements go well with it I hear.

 

Get ENOUGH recharge to run the chain you want. You don't need more.

 

I've got...DB experience.  WP, SR, BIO, ELA, ENA, and STN.

 

DB does do it all, but so do a lot of other primaries. DB has two weapons though, and I personally think that's a cool aesthetic.

 

Bio is the biggest DMG increase for the set. Stone is the same DMG on STATIONARY targets, but Stone doesn't have a taunt aura. Chasing runners is a HUGE DPS loss (chasing = zero DPS). ELA is the next biggest DPS gain in that group, but it doesn't have a taunt aura, but ELA is darn tough to kill. ENA is my personal favorite of the group. Yeah, it doesn't have a DMG boost like the other sets (I don't consider recharge a boost since you can fill this hole via other means) but it is hard to kill and has a taunt aura. Really easy to get to softcap with most damage types and have good recharge to have the attack chain you desire. You are pretty likely to have Incarnate-softcap in a team. Build for good slow/recharge resist? Tough build with really good DPS.

Edited September 3, 2022 by SomeGuy

[Cold Hard Cash]

What do You think of DB/Rad?

[oldskool]

On 9/3/2022 at 12:26 PM, FUBARczar said:

Dual Blades do they ..do it all?

 

What helps DB the most? +Recharge? Or something else?

 

Thinking of pairing with EA or Stone

 

Blinding Feint -> Attack Vitals doesn't require much total recharge, at all. The extreme recharge comes into play when you try to squeeze out BF -> Ablative -> Sweeping -> Ablative since Sweeping Strike's animation is pretty fast. 

You can easily run BF -> Ablative -> Sweeping -> Nimble Slash or Power Slice, depending on which combos you want to run (Empower vs Sweep), with less recharge than the A -> S -> A. 

Any of these options are still solid damage, even BF->AV is reasonable, and so you have a lot of options. 

[brasilgringo]

49 minutes ago, oldskool said:

The extreme recharge comes into play when you try to squeeze out BF -> Ablative -> Sweeping -> Ablative since Sweeping Strike's animation is pretty fast. 

Love running this chain with the snipe swapped in for Ablative (snipe with build-up proc). This is the way.

[SomeGuy]

On 10/1/2022 at 11:14 AM, Cold Hard Cash said:

What do You think of DB/Rad?

 

 

Both are great sets. I honestly don't know how it wouldn't be a good pairing.

 

Here's a hot take on the combo just doing straight-through setting (this is still crazy good DPS):

 

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.1.2.5
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Armor
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(A), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(40), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(43), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 1: Alpha Barrier -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(36), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(37)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- Hct-Dam%(A), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Hct-Acc/Rchg(3), Hct-Dmg/Rchg(23), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25), AchHee-ResDeb%(25)
Level 4: Proton Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(5), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(17)
Level 6: Typhoon's Edge -- SprScrStr-Rchg/+Crit(A), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), SprScrStr-Dmg/Rchg(7), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), SprScrStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg(49)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- SprCrtStr-Rchg/+50% Crit(A), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprCrtStr-Dmg/Rchg(9), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), SprCrtStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), GssSynFr--Build%(13)
Level 10: Fallout Shelter -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(11)
Level 12: Gamma Boost -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(48)
Level 16: Radiation Therapy -- Acc-I(A), ScrDrv-Dam%(17), TchoftheN-%Dam(19), Obl-%Dam(21), Erd-%Dam(23)
Level 18: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Beta Decay -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), SphIns-ToHitDeb(21)
Level 22: Super Jump -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(45), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(46), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Arm-Dam%(A), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(27), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Arm-Acc/Rchg(36), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(36)
Level 28: Particle Shielding -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(29), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(29), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(33), Prv-Heal/Rchg(34), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(34)
Level 30: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(31), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), UnbGrd-Max HP%(31)
Level 32: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(33), RedFrt-Def(33)
Level 35: Ground Zero -- Obl-%Dam(A), Obl-Dmg(37), Obl-Acc/Rchg(39), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(39), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Meltdown -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Moonbeam -- Apc-Dam%(A), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Apc-Acc/Rchg(42), Apc-Dmg/Rchg(42), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Dcm-Build%(43)
Level 44: Shadow Meld -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(47), Rct-ResDam%(47)
Level 49: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Brawl -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(46), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 49: Quick Form
Level 22: Double Jump
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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Edited October 3, 2022 by SomeGuy

[SomeGuy]

And a take on a procced version:

 

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.1.2.5
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Armor
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- HO:Nucle(A), Dmg-I(40), Mk'Bit-Dam%(43), GldStr-%Dam(45), TchofDth-Dam%(45)
Level 1: Alpha Barrier -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(36), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(37)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- HO:Nucle(A), Hct-Dmg(3), GldStr-%Dam(3), TchofDth-Dam%(23), TchofLadG-%Dam(25), AchHee-ResDeb%(25)
Level 4: Proton Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(5), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(17)
Level 6: Typhoon's Edge -- SprScrStr-Rchg/+Crit(A), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), SprScrStr-Dmg/Rchg(7), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), SprScrStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg(49)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), SprCrtStr-Rchg/+50% Crit(9), Hct-Dam%(11), TchofDth-Dam%(13), GssSynFr--Build%(13)
Level 10: Fallout Shelter -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(11)
Level 12: Gamma Boost -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(48)
Level 16: Radiation Therapy -- Acc-I(A), ScrDrv-Dam%(17), TchoftheN-%Dam(19), Obl-%Dam(21), Erd-%Dam(23)
Level 18: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Beta Decay -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), SphIns-ToHitDeb(21), Empty(45)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(31), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), UnbGrd-Max HP%(31)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- HO:Nucle(A), Arm-Dmg(27), Arm-Dam%(27), Obl-%Dam(34), Erd-%Dam(36), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(36)
Level 28: Particle Shielding -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(29), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(29), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(33), Prv-Heal/Rchg(34), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(34)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(33), RedFrt-Def(33)
Level 32: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(47), Rct-ResDam%(47)
Level 35: Ground Zero -- Obl-%Dam(A), Obl-Dmg(37), Obl-Acc/Rchg(39), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(39), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Meltdown -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Moonbeam -- HO:Nucle(A), Apc-Dmg(42), Apc-Dam%(42), StnoftheM-Dam%(42), GldJvl-Dam%(43), Dcm-Build%(43)
Level 44: Shadow Meld -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Tactics -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(49)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Brawl -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(46), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 49: Quick Form
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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[Yomo Kimyata]

I'm new to DB, and I wanted to ask your opinions on what the good combos are.

 

I love knockdown, but I think there are easier ways to achieve it than Sweep.

 

Empower seems ok, until I realize that the incremental bonus from the combo is only an additional +12.5% damage and +3.3% to hit over the +37.5% and +10% you are going to get from Blinding Feint.

 

Weaken's debuff is AoE and lasts 20 seconds.  Seems legit.

 

Haven't gotten to Attack Vitals yet, but also seems legit.

[moobiman]

Attack vitals is legit. Once I got that on scrapper it almost felt like the dps doubled

[UltraAlt]

55 minutes ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

I'm new to DB, and I wanted to ask your opinions on what the good combos are.

 

I use two trays set up to go through some of the combos

 

Tray 1 - power slice - ablating strike -  vengeful slice - sweeping strike - Follow - (a high damage power or debuff; a p2w until better available, could be from powerset, and could be a pool power)
Combos : 
Attack vitals :: ablating strike - vengeful slice - sweeping strike

 

Tray 2 - nimble slash - ablating strike - blinding feint - vengeful slice - follow - typhoons edge
Combos
Empower : nimble slash - ablating strike - blinding feint
Weaken : nimble slash - ablating strike - typhoons edge

 

The  other slots in the trays I put in; a respite macro, tray flip, fast travel, normal travel

 

I usually run though the sequence of each of them and repeat.

[SomeGuy]

1 hour ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

I'm new to DB, and I wanted to ask your opinions on what the good combos are.

 

 

 

Here's the real answer people hate...the answer is...that depends. If you goal is DPS? No combo. Just the BF-AS-SS-AS chain when your recharge is high enough. If you are doing a procced out build and DPS is your goal? Most likely you won't have enough recharge and the Empower combo actually becomes very worthwhile. NS-AS-BF-SS

 

Attack Vitals is a pretty hard hit on sustained DPS due to Vengeful Slice's long long longgggg animation. Cool attack, looks awesome doing a SHYROUKEN with a sword, but it's a DPS hit.

 

I won't even take Vengeful Slice on my DB characters.

Edited October 5, 2022 by SomeGuy

[Yomo Kimyata]

DPS isn’t high on my list of concerns.  I’m not trying to solo GMs and taking down AVs isn’t too hard to slot for.

 

I’ll probably end up trying everything and respec out of anything that isn’t fun.

[Cold Hard Cash]

On 9/3/2022 at 10:09 AM, SomeGuy said:

DMG enhancements go well with it I hear.

 

Get ENOUGH recharge to run the chain you want. You don't need more.

 

I've got...DB experience.  WP, SR, BIO, ELA, ENA, and STN.

 

DB does do it all, but so do a lot of other primaries. DB has two weapons though, and I personally think that's a cool aesthetic.

 

Bio is the biggest DMG increase for the set. Stone is the same DMG on STATIONARY targets, but Stone doesn't have a taunt aura. Chasing runners is a HUGE DPS loss (chasing = zero DPS). ELA is the next biggest DPS gain in that group, but it doesn't have a taunt aura, but ELA is darn tough to kill. ENA is my personal favorite of the group. Yeah, it doesn't have a DMG boost like the other sets (I don't consider recharge a boost since you can fill this hole via other means) but it is hard to kill and has a taunt aura. Really easy to get to softcap with most damage types and have good recharge to have the attack chain you desire. You are pretty likely to have Incarnate-softcap in a team. Build for good slow/recharge resist? Tough build with really good DPS.

 

Well shizzit Im running a DB/Rad and its not on your list here. I guess its not as good as these others you mentioned? Im finding Radiation Therapy/Ground Zero decent filled with Proc enhancements combined together but Im having to hit both skills to make it worth it. Thats ALOT of casting animation sadly.

[ninja surprise]

On 10/5/2022 at 11:29 AM, Yomo Kimyata said:

DPS isn’t high on my list of concerns.  I’m not trying to solo GMs and taking down AVs isn’t too hard to slot for.

 

I’ll probably end up trying everything and respec out of anything that isn’t fun.

 

Dual Blades is a ton of fun because of all the sweet animations.  I take all the attacks, don't worry about super high recharge, and just click whatever attack is up. This way I can slot my attacks for +Def/Resist/Health bonuses and I don't get locked into clicking the same attacks over and over.

Everything dies fast enough that I'm happy.

[Thrax]

Db/sr is the ticket. Proc the hell out of the attacks cause sr got everything locked down.