Toon concept idea. Squid only!

[Snarky]

I am building a toon based on a concept in my mind. (so dangerous)  It will be squid form only.  PB or WS and why?

 

PS, I never ran these.

[Sovera]

Been wanting one of these since I first discovered Kheldians. But I can see how difficult it would be to create something worthworthy when squids don't have a nuke and are meant to be in and out forms. Making it at least passably viable might involve the double Eclipse stuff and then back to squid to blast which is not longer in the spirit of the idea.

[flakoff]

I would go pb squid, easy to aim for permanent light form. No mobs needed.

[Doomrider]

As long as you are okay with only having 5 powers, all attacks and 1 of which (nova bolt) isn't even needed. Then pick whichever is your favorite colour; blue-white or dark purple.

Edited October 26, 2022 by Doomrider

[Beldath]

I'd go PB if just looking at squid abilities alone, so you can at least slot in Achilles' Heel, along with the -def might at least do okay damage assuming you aren't planning on using the rest of the kit.

[Dungeoness Eloora]

If you are trying to make a Kheldian that uses none of its human powers whatsoever due to a rigid character concept, you are going to have a bad time, and I suggest you don't bother.

 

If you are trying to build a Kheldian that wants to stay ranged and flying about 80% of the time, shifting back to human to hit buffs, hasten, heals, and rushing in to nuke now and then, you could probably accomplish that with reasonable success on a PB. Squid form just doesn't have access to many powers other than 5 ranged attacks and incarnates. Base buffs, along with all toggles, are suppressed as well.

[Snarky]

4 hours ago, Dungeoness said:

If you are trying to make a Kheldian that uses none of its human powers whatsoever due to a rigid character concept, you are going to have a bad time, and I suggest you don't bother.

 

If you are trying to build a Kheldian that wants to stay ranged and flying about 80% of the time, shifting back to human to hit buffs, hasten, heals, and rushing in to nuke now and then, you could probably accomplish that with reasonable success on a PB. Squid form just doesn't have access to many powers other than 5 ranged attacks and incarnates. Base buffs, along with all toggles, are suppressed as well.

Thanks, it is indeed based on just the squid.  and the show "squidbillies"...

[biostem]

6 hours ago, Snarky said:

I am building a toon based on a concept in my mind. (so dangerous)  It will be squid form only.  PB or WS and why?

 

PS, I never ran these.

Unless you plan on investing in several KB->KD IOs, I'd go Warshade.  Also, while toggles from human form don't carry over to Nova form, a click effect like hasten does, making such powers really useful!  Are you open to at least some form switching?  You could drop to human and use sunless mire, black dwarf mire, and dark extraction, too...

[Snarky]

7 minutes ago, biostem said:

Unless you plan on investing in several KB->KD IOs, I'd go Warshade.  Also, while toggles from human form don't carry over to Nova form, a click effect like hasten does, making such powers really useful!  Are you open to at least some form switching?  You could drop to human and use sunless mire, black dwarf mire, and dark extraction, too...

sigh nope, just squid lol

 

[biostem]

4 minutes ago, Snarky said:

sigh nope, just squid lol

Oof!  That's gonna be one heck of an uphill battle.  Hmm... then the investment in those kb->kd IOs may be worth it.  Lots of soft control there...

[Weylin]

Is this like Petless MM 2.0

[Snarky]

7 hours ago, Weylin said:

Is this like Petless MM 2.0

Sort of yes.  Like when your concept calls for a bullship but you are a loner?  So you end up....

 

This is a toon that is ALWAYS a squid.  I am going to roll them.  Have not decided Peace Or War.  

 

I know nothing.  Is there a toggle for Squid form?   How do you know what powers are available in what forms?

[SeraphimKensai]

26 minutes ago, Snarky said:

This is a toon that is ALWAYS a squid.  I am going to roll them.  Have not decided Peace Or War.  

 

I know nothing.  Is there a toggle for Squid form?   How do you know what powers are available in what forms?

Knowing you....go Warshade, it's darker, and has a bonus to brooding in the shadows. Also you can make use of the multiple slow damage procs to help your abilities. You get access to powers that say Dark Nova.... In front of them and and I think it's ebon eye that carries over into Nova as well.

 

That said I'd use a few powers in human like dark extraction to have pets to follow you around in squid form, sunless more for basically soul drain, and styigan circle to refill your HP/end from dead bodies.

 

Otherwise your a floating artillery platform that lays eggs in other heroes and villains....

[Snarky]

After screwing with this for a couple hours I realized it is completely untenable.  I had to do multiple respecs to "discover" what powers could be used in squid form.  There are not many.  Do I/O builds in the (not greyed out, HARD RED NOT THERE) powers even count for set bonuses?  Too many questions, not enough interest lol

[JasperStone]

On 10/26/2022 at 12:45 PM, Snarky said:

I am building a toon based on a concept in my mind. (so dangerous)  It will be squid form only.  PB or WS and why?

 

PS, I never ran these.

I have a TriForm

BiForm Squid Human hard choices but doable and great at the lower lvl content

BiForm Dwarf Human durable tank option here

 

Take a swig of the red stuff and try again

 

Believe in you!

*throws sparkles in the air*

 

 

[Dungeoness Eloora]

On 10/27/2022 at 7:40 PM, Snarky said:

After screwing with this for a couple hours I realized it is completely untenable.  I had to do multiple respecs to "discover" what powers could be used in squid form.  There are not many.  Do I/O builds in the (not greyed out, HARD RED NOT THERE) powers even count for set bonuses?  Too many questions, not enough interest lol

I mean, we told you as much, lol. Squid form can literally just use the 5 attacks that appear in the popup bar when you shift to that form, but also Ebon Eye, incarnate abilities and I guess all of the temp powers that aren't toggles. Nothing else. No human powers. No pool powers. No epic pool is even available to pick from, regardless of spec.

 

It isn't even the petless MM 2.0, it's just a half-assed, incomplete toon that shouldn't be played past DFB or Posi 1 on your shits and giggles 3rd spec ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Snarky]

6 minutes ago, Dungeoness said:

I mean, we told you as much, lol. Squid form can literally just use the 5 attacks that appear in the popup bar when you shift to that form, but also Ebon Eye, incarnate abilities and I guess all of the temp powers that aren't toggles. Nothing else. No human powers. No pool powers. No epic pool is even available to pick from, regardless of spec.

 

It isn't even the petless MM 2.0, it's just a half-assed, incomplete toon that shouldn't be played past DFB or Posi 1 on your shits and giggles 3rd spec ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah.  I don't think it was spelled out that clear but there were warnings lol.  I guess Squid Billy is destined for DFB 4ever.

[Lusiphur Malache]

If you are going uniform, i suggest you go human only peacebringer.  It is possible, but you will need to group  a lot and with the right ATs.  I'm undertaking a human only warshade and it ain't easy.

[Seed22]

On 10/26/2022 at 1:45 PM, Snarky said:

I am building a toon based on a concept in my mind. (so dangerous)  It will be squid form only.  PB or WS and why?

 

PS, I never ran these.

Go PB. Dwarf is kinda redundant for them, do NOT go WS, no matter what. Dwarf is key for double mire.

[smnolimits43]

hmmm.. tempted to try this, i might restart my PB

 

[DaemonWithin2]

On 11/15/2022 at 5:08 AM, smnolimits43 said:

hmmm.. tempted to try this, i might restart my PB

 

Use one of your secondary builds

 

[Zep]

Various thoughts on the subject based on having a lvl 50 PB on live and Homecoming.

 

What is your plan to deal with status effects? The typical Squid Answer is to go Dwarf when held.

 

With my Tri-Form PB I spend a fair amount of the time in squid form, not having the self heals in Human/Dwarf and all the other powers would be a huge detractor. 

 

For low to mid level squid is very powerful especially if you put all your slots there and max out the Nova form and attacks. 

End game and squid doesnt keep up with blasters and other high damage classes but does ok. 

Hasten doesnt trigger in Squid form, only human.

 

Perma Light form does help a lot.

[Snarky]

this idea died in the first hard day of trying.  i never ran a squid before and did not realize that a squid only form has like 3 powers.  ever.

[Glacier Peak]

Don't feel bad, I tried the same thing, but it didn't make it off the beta shard. 

 

I did end up getting a PB leveled and IO'd out for PvP. Surprisingly sturdy in 8v8s, but not much of a damage dealer and doesn't contribute much to a spike.

[biostem]

4 hours ago, Snarky said:

this idea died in the first hard day of trying.  i never ran a squid before and did not realize that a squid only form has like 3 powers.  ever.

One of the human-form attacks does carry over to Nova form - the eye-beams, IIRC...