TW/Ele - How do you like it?

[Hakarne]

I'm torn between TW/Ele and Fire/Shield but I'm strongly leaning towards TW. Does anyone have feedback on how they play at 50? I got a SS/Bio to 50 and hated the Rage crash so he got sidelined - I'm hoping to avoid that again!

 

Specifically I'd like to know how you find them for solo in difficult content (+4/x8, AVS, etc). I have a controller for grouping so this would be more of a solo character. Also, is Power Surge worth taking/slotting? I dislike those "super strong then you die" powers but maybe I'm being too harsh on it because of Rage. :)

[jack_nomind]

I haven't had great experiences soloing /FA or /ElA in difficult content.  Both rely heavily on their click heal to make up for the weak up-front mitigation; /ElA is a bit better thanks to its heal also having a lasting +regen, but still ends up being a bit more unstable than I'd like.  That being said, my own TW/ElA on live was a blast to play in teams, and put out some incredible damage.

 

If you're set on solo, Fire/Shield is probably going to feel more comfortable.  I haven't played that specific combination but I've had StJ/SD and Dark/SD, both quite solid.

[Hakarne]

Thanks for the feedback. To clarify, was that IO'D out? I'm a bit surprised to hear that Ele has weak up front mitigation, as I found it pretty easy to get great resists to s/l/e and decent to everything except toxic, with soft-capped range and melee defense. But I know Mids numbers are one thing and play experience is another so I'll keep that in mind.

[jack_nomind]

Yes, it was IO'd reasonably well; softcap to melee with Defensive Sweep and IIRC ~80% S/L resist (which is good, but not great for a Brute) and capped energy.  It didn't have permahasten, so generally what killed it was some combination of fire aoes (or rarely, cold/negative/psionic), defense debuffs, and/or -rech.  I could do a build on i25 without the -rech vulnerability and permahasten, but I don't know if that would be enough.  I'd be curious to see your build, though.

[Hakarne]

Sure, here's the build I came up with. Softcapped Melee (with Defensive Sweep) and Ranged defense, 74% S/L resist, 90%Energy resist, and at least 40% resists for everything else except Toxic. But iirc there's no non-positional toxic damage so your defenses should help fill that hole pretty well. Let me know what you think. No purples either so it's relatively cheap.

 

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Malkarne: Level 50 Science Brute

Primary Power Set: Titan Weapons

Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor

Power Pool: Leaping

Power Pool: Speed

Power Pool: Fighting

Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

 

Villain Profile:

Level 1: Defensive Sweep -- Erd-Dmg(A), Erd-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Erd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Erd-%Dam(13), LucoftheG-Rchg+(25), LucoftheG-Def(40)

Level 1: Charged Armor -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(25), UnbGrd-ResDam(39), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42), UnbGrd-Max HP%(46)

Level 2: Crushing Blow -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(5), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mk'Bit-Dam%(36)

Level 4: Titan Sweep -- Erd-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Erd-Dmg/Rchg(5), Erd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), ExpStr-Dmg/KB(13), ExpStr-Acc/KB(17), ExpStr-Dam%(36)

Level 6: Lightning Field -- Erd-Dmg(A), Erd-Acc/Rchg(37), Erd-Dmg/Rchg(39), Erd-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Erd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Erd-%Dam(43)

Level 8: Follow Through -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(9), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mk'Bit-Dam%(34)

Level 10: Static Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(45)

Level 12: Conductive Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(37), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(43)

Level 14: Build Momentum -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(15), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(48), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(50), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(50), GssSynFr--Build%(50)

Level 16: Grounded -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A)

Level 18: Rend Armor -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(19), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mk'Bit-Dam%(36)

Level 20: Lightning Reflexes -- Run-I(A)

Level 22: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)

Level 24: Super Jump -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)

Level 26: Whirling Smash -- Erd-Dmg(A), Erd-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Erd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), ExpStr-Dmg/KB(29), ExpStr-Acc/KB(31), ExpStr-Dam%(37)

Level 28: Energize -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(29), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(31), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46), NmnCnv-Heal(48), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(48)

Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)

Level 32: Arc of Destruction -- Erd-Dmg(A), Erd-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Erd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), ExpStr-Dmg/KB(33), ExpStr-Acc/KB(34), ExpStr-Dam%(34)

Level 35: Power Sink -- EffAdp-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A)

Level 38: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)

Level 41: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(46)

Level 44: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(45)

Level 47: Superior Conditioning -- EndMod-I(A)

Level 49: Physical Perfection -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)

Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Clr-Stlth(A)

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)

Level 1: Fury

Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)

Level 2: Rest -- IntRdx-I(A)

Level 4: Ninja Run

Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)

Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)

Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)

Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(21), PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(21)

Level 1: Momentum

Level 50: Agility Partial Core Revamp

Level 50: Ageless Radial Epiphany

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Set Bonus Totals:

• 16% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  
• 16% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  
• 16% DamageBuff(Fire)
  
• 16% DamageBuff(Cold)
  
• 16% DamageBuff(Energy)
  
• 16% DamageBuff(Negative)
  
• 16% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  
• 16% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  
• 21% Defense(Melee)
  
• 13.5% Defense(Smashing)
  
• 13.5% Defense(Lethal)
  
• 8.81% Defense(Fire)
  
• 8.81% Defense(Cold)
  
• 33.19% Defense(Energy)
  
• 33.19% Defense(Negative)
  
• 6% Defense(Psionic)
  
• 36.94% Defense(Ranged)
  
• 11.63% Defense(AoE)
  
• 9% Max End
  
• 6% Enhancement(Heal)
  
• 10% Enhancement(Max EnduranceDiscount)
  
• 22.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  
• 15% SpeedFlying
  
• 331.7 HP (22.13%) HitPoints
  
• 15% JumpHeight
  
• 15% SpeedJumping
  
• Knockback (Mag -4)
  
• Knockup (Mag -4)
  
• MezResist(Confused) 47.5%
  
• MezResist(Held) 47.5%
  
• MezResist(Immobilized) 47.5%
  
• MezResist(Sleep) 47.5%
  
• MezResist(Stunned) 47.5%
  
• MezResist(Terrorized) 47.5%
  
• 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
  
• 44% (2.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
  
• 15% Resistance(Smashing)
  
• 15% Resistance(Lethal)
  
• 9% Resistance(Energy)
  
• 9% Resistance(Negative)
  
• 4.5% Resistance(Toxic)
  
• 4.5% Resistance(Psionic)
  
• 15% SpeedRunning
  

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Set Bonuses:

Eradication

(Defensive Sweep)

•   1.8% Max End
  
•   3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
  
•   33.73 HP (2.25%) HitPoints
  

Luck of the Gambler

(Defensive Sweep)

•   10% (0.62 HP/sec) Regeneration
  
•   7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  

Steadfast Protection

(Charged Armor)

•   3% Defense(Melee), 3% Defense(AoE), 3% Defense(Ranged), 3% Defense(Smashing), 3% Defense(Lethal), 3% Defense(Fire), 3% Defense(Cold), 3% Defense(Energy), 3% Defense(Negative), 3% Defense(Psionic)
  

Unbreakable Guard

(Charged Armor)

•   2.5% Enhancement(EnduranceDiscount)
  
•   2.25% Resistance(Energy,Negative), MezResist(Immobilized) 3.75%, MezResist(Held) 3.75%, MezResist(Stunned) 3.75%, MezResist(Sleep) 3.75%, MezResist(Terrorized) 3.75%, MezResist(Confused) 3.75%
  
•   3.13% Defense(Melee), 1.56% Defense(Lethal), 1.56% Defense(Smashing)
  
•   112.4 HP (7.5%) HitPoints
  

Mako's Bite

(Crushing Blow)

•   1.5% Resistance(Toxic,Psionic), MezResist(Immobilized) 2.5%, MezResist(Held) 2.5%, MezResist(Stunned) 2.5%, MezResist(Sleep) 2.5%, MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%, MezResist(Confused) 2.5%
  
•   22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
  
•   3% DamageBuff(All)
  
•   3.75% Resistance(Smashing,Lethal), MezResist(Immobilized) 6.25%, MezResist(Held) 6.25%, MezResist(Stunned) 6.25%, MezResist(Sleep) 6.25%, MezResist(Terrorized) 6.25%, MezResist(Confused) 6.25%
  
•   3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)
  

Eradication

(Titan Sweep)

•   1.8% Max End
  
•   3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
  

Explosive Strike

(Titan Sweep)

•   1.5% DamageBuff(All)
  
•   1.88% Defense(Ranged), 0.94% Defense(Energy), 0.94% Defense(Negative)
  

Eradication

(Lightning Field)

•   1.8% Max End
  
•   3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
  
•   33.73 HP (2.25%) HitPoints
  
•   12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
  
•   3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)
  

Mako's Bite

(Follow Through)

•   1.5% Resistance(Toxic,Psionic), MezResist(Immobilized) 2.5%, MezResist(Held) 2.5%, MezResist(Stunned) 2.5%, MezResist(Sleep) 2.5%, MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%, MezResist(Confused) 2.5%
  
•   22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
  
•   3% DamageBuff(All)
  
•   3.75% Resistance(Smashing,Lethal), MezResist(Immobilized) 6.25%, MezResist(Held) 6.25%, MezResist(Stunned) 6.25%, MezResist(Sleep) 6.25%, MezResist(Terrorized) 6.25%, MezResist(Confused) 6.25%
  
•   3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)
  

Unbreakable Guard

(Static Shield)

•   2.5% Enhancement(EnduranceDiscount)
  
•   2.25% Resistance(Energy,Negative), MezResist(Immobilized) 3.75%, MezResist(Held) 3.75%, MezResist(Stunned) 3.75%, MezResist(Sleep) 3.75%, MezResist(Terrorized) 3.75%, MezResist(Confused) 3.75%
  
•   3.13% Defense(Melee), 1.56% Defense(Lethal), 1.56% Defense(Smashing)
  

Unbreakable Guard

(Conductive Shield)

•   2.5% Enhancement(EnduranceDiscount)
  
•   2.25% Resistance(Energy,Negative), MezResist(Immobilized) 3.75%, MezResist(Held) 3.75%, MezResist(Stunned) 3.75%, MezResist(Sleep) 3.75%, MezResist(Terrorized) 3.75%, MezResist(Confused) 3.75%
  
•   3.13% Defense(Melee), 1.56% Defense(Lethal), 1.56% Defense(Smashing)
  

Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control

(Build Momentum)

•   7.5% SpeedJumping, 7.5% JumpHeight, 7.5% SpeedFlying, 7.5% SpeedRunning
  
•   28.11 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
  
•   2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
  
•   2.5% DamageBuff(All)
  
•   2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing), 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative), 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)
  

Gladiator's Armor

(Grounded)

•   3% Defense(Melee), 3% Defense(AoE), 3% Defense(Ranged), 3% Defense(Smashing), 3% Defense(Lethal), 3% Defense(Fire), 3% Defense(Cold), 3% Defense(Energy), 3% Defense(Negative), 3% Defense(Psionic)
  

Mako's Bite

(Rend Armor)

•   1.5% Resistance(Toxic,Psionic), MezResist(Immobilized) 2.5%, MezResist(Held) 2.5%, MezResist(Stunned) 2.5%, MezResist(Sleep) 2.5%, MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%, MezResist(Confused) 2.5%
  
•   22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
  
•   3% DamageBuff(All)
  
•   3.75% Resistance(Smashing,Lethal), MezResist(Immobilized) 6.25%, MezResist(Held) 6.25%, MezResist(Stunned) 6.25%, MezResist(Sleep) 6.25%, MezResist(Terrorized) 6.25%, MezResist(Confused) 6.25%
  
•   3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)
  

Luck of the Gambler

(Combat Jumping)

•   7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  

Blessing of the Zephyr

(Super Jump)

•   Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
  

Eradication

(Whirling Smash)

•   1.8% Max End
  
•   3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
  

Explosive Strike

(Whirling Smash)

•   1.5% DamageBuff(All)
  
•   1.88% Defense(Ranged), 0.94% Defense(Energy), 0.94% Defense(Negative)
  

Numina's Convalesence

(Energize)

•   12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
  
•   28.11 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
  
•   6% Enhancement(Heal)
  
•   3.75% Resistance(Smashing,Lethal), MezResist(Immobilized) 6.25%, MezResist(Held) 6.25%, MezResist(Stunned) 6.25%, MezResist(Sleep) 6.25%, MezResist(Terrorized) 6.25%, MezResist(Confused) 6.25%
  
•   3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)
  

Eradication

(Arc of Destruction)

•   1.8% Max End
  
•   3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
  

Explosive Strike

(Arc of Destruction)

•   1.5% DamageBuff(All)
  
•   1.88% Defense(Ranged), 0.94% Defense(Energy), 0.94% Defense(Negative)
  

Unbreakable Guard

(Tough)

•   2.5% Enhancement(EnduranceDiscount)
  
•   2.25% Resistance(Energy,Negative), MezResist(Immobilized) 3.75%, MezResist(Held) 3.75%, MezResist(Stunned) 3.75%, MezResist(Sleep) 3.75%, MezResist(Terrorized) 3.75%, MezResist(Confused) 3.75%
  
•   3.13% Defense(Melee), 1.56% Defense(Lethal), 1.56% Defense(Smashing)
  

Luck of the Gambler

(Weave)

•   10% (0.62 HP/sec) Regeneration
  
•   7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  

Performance Shifter

(Stamina)

•   7.5% SpeedJumping, 7.5% JumpHeight, 7.5% SpeedFlying, 7.5% SpeedRunning
  
•   28.11 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
  

 

 

 

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[jack_nomind]

Nice.  Ageless is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but interestingly not quite at the job it usually does.  How have you liked playing with the spiky recharge?

[Hakarne]

It's at the theory craft stage but I've never been a huge cooldown junkie. I imagine to get it less janky I'm going to need a bunch of purple sets (read $$$). Is there a way to see the actual recharge for a power in Pines? I'm guessing it's only calculating the largest cooldown spike so I'm not getting an accurate picture.

[jack_nomind]

It's at the theory craft stage but I've never been a huge cooldown junkie. I imagine to get it less janky I'm going to need a bunch of purple sets (read $$$). Is there a way to see the actual recharge for a power in Pines? I'm guessing it's only calculating the largest cooldown spike so I'm not getting an accurate picture.

 

You mean, like a slider that tracks what the cooldown would be at any given point on the Ageless wave?  No, although it could probably be added to the Ageless power itself.  Here's a page that lists the breakpoints.  It averages out to a "net" ~15% recharge increase (which is obviously a lot less than the listed 70%). 

[Hakarne]

Thanks, that's exactly what I was wondering. I just realized I had ageless set to debuff resistance instead of recovery which was just a theory I was kicking around for fortifying the defenses. TBH I was planning on seeing how my end issues were before deciding on which Ageless to grab so that's not really set in stone.

[DSorrow]

I run my TW/Elec with perma Hasten/Energize and capped S/L/E/F/C resistances. It's great against anything that isn't predominantly negative energy, toxic or psionic damage, and in a team environment toxic is the only thing that's actually dangerous because you usually have buffs/debuffs/heals/firepower available to shore up the relative weakness against NE and psi. The build does have some incidental S/L Def (~32%) but building up Defense was never a goal of the build due to the lack of -Def resistance.

[Sooparyan]

I run my TW/Elec with perma Hasten/Energize and capped S/L/E/F/C resistances. It's great against anything that isn't predominantly negative energy, toxic or psionic damage, and in a team environment toxic is the only thing that's actually dangerous because you usually have buffs/debuffs/heals/firepower available to shore up the relative weakness against NE and psi. The build does have some incidental S/L Def (~32%) but building up Defense was never a goal of the build due to the lack of -Def resistance.

 

Could you post your build please?