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...okay, not the most inspiring title, and certainly not an enlightening one.

But dammit, this looks like proper Indy.

 

What do we know?

  • This is absolutely, positively, the last Ford Indy film. (As the man said: "I'm not falling down for you again.")
  • Nazis? In America? Whodathunkit. While it's a little on the nose right now, this lot are the real deal.
  • Setting is 1969 USA, at the height of the Space Race - making Indy 70 years old, and a lot more mileage.
  • This ties neatly into our big bad Voller (Mads Mikkelsen), who was imported via Operation Paperclip, and loosely based on Wernher Von Braun.
  • Indy knows him and intensely dislikes the fact that the US is giving a home to his kind.
  • Mikkelsen mentioned his character's motivation is to "correct the mistakes of the past", so... time travel, or something a little weirder?
  • There seems to be a lot of Greek architecture and mathematical imagery around the aforementioned Dial. If that statue's who I think it is, Pythagoras is best known today for irritating geometry students. But also had interests in astronomy, music... and reincarnation, the ability to recall past lives, and quite a lot of other mystical stuff. That opens up more possibilities as to what this Dial does when you turn it up to έντεκα.
  • Phoebe WB being Proper Adventurous as new sidekick Helena, who is apparently quite the con artist. 
  • Indy refers to her as his god-daughter... is that part of their con act, or does that mean she's Helena Brody?
  • Some classic Indy gags - car chases, duelling tuktuks, and racing a horse through the subway - plus getting in way over his head (again).
  • There'll also be a bit with a digitally de-aged Harrison and Mads set in 1944. Whether that's a cold open or a rewind, we do not yet know.
  • Additional cast: John Rhys-Davis is back as Sallah, plus Toby Jones, Boyd Holbrook, Shaunette Renée Wilson, and Antonio Banderas in an as-yet-undisclosed role.
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I saw this and I was like, holy cow he's still alive? Wasn't he canonically born in the 19th century? 

 

Did he get resurrected? Is that a plot point? Where is Mutt? Where is his wife Mary? Where are the aliens and crystal skull? Ah I'm already thinking too much! It's a popcorn flick, I'll watch it and enjoy the classic score!

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6 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

I saw this and I was like, holy cow he's still alive? Wasn't he canonically born in the 19th century? 

 

Did he get resurrected? Is that a plot point? Where is Mutt? Where is his wife Mary? Where are the aliens and crystal skull? Ah I'm already thinking too much! It's a popcorn flick, I'll watch it and enjoy the classic score!

 

Indy was 13 during the Last Crusade cold open, which was set in 1912. So, born 1899.

Marion/Karen Allen may or may not be in the movie - she's currently not listed on main cast - so Indy may or may not be a widow at this point.

 

If you want classic score: here's Helena's (very 30s/40s femme fatale) Theme.

 

Oh, and Mutt died on the way back to his home planet.

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32 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

Indy was 13 during the Last Crusade cold open, which was set in 1912. So, born 1899.

Marion/Karen Allen may or may not be in the movie - she's currently not listed on main cast - so Indy may or may not be a widow at this point.

 

If you want classic score: here's Helena's (very 30s/40s femme fatale) Theme.

 

Oh, and Mutt died on the way back to his home planet.

John Williams always ❤️ 

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I'll admit - my brain's second reaction to the title was "Indiana Jones and the Teasmade of Time."

 

Skeptically optimistic.  Much as I love Harrison Ford, IMO he hasn't interviewed well as he's aged, and for that reason I haven't watched anything he's been in for a while.  But if someone can tell me he's got an Avery Brooks thing going on (rambling and borderline incomprehensible when unscripted, but fantastic on screen), I'd definitely give this a try.

 

Also, how was "Bladerunner 2049"?  Didn't even know that was a thing until I reviewed his filmography.

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On 12/1/2022 at 6:09 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

...okay, not the most inspiring title, and certainly not an enlightening one.

But dammit, this looks like proper Indy.

 

What do we know?

  • This is absolutely, positively, the last Ford Indy film. (As the man said: "I'm not falling down for you again.")  Maybe for Ford, but I can think of one or two others who could handle the role, albeit with a different take on it (*cough*Chris Pratt*cough*)
  • Nazis? In America? Whodathunkit. While it's a little on the nose right now, this lot are the real deal.  It's probably going to go the Marvel route and we're essentially seeing Indy's take on Hydra's infiltration.
  • Setting is 1969 USA, at the height of the Space Race - making Indy 70 years old, and a lot more mileage.  I'll address that with Sakai's comment further down.
  • This ties neatly into our big bad Voller (Mads Mikkelsen), who was imported via Operation Paperclip, and loosely based on Wernher Von Braun.
  • Indy knows him and intensely dislikes the fact that the US is giving a home to his kind.
  • Mikkelsen mentioned his character's motivation is to "correct the mistakes of the past", so... time travel, or something a little weirder? Makes sense, and makes sense of the "Dial of Destiny" title.  Crazy thought...could a time travel story allow the Indy franchise to bring in a new, younger actor for the role going forward?
  • There seems to be a lot of Greek architecture and mathematical imagery around the aforementioned Dial. If that statue's who I think it is, Pythagoras is best known today for irritating geometry students. But also had interests in astronomy, music... and reincarnation, the ability to recall past lives, and quite a lot of other mystical stuff. That opens up more possibilities as to what this Dial does when you turn it up to έντεκα. I'm wondering if they found inspiration for the Dial in the Antikythera Mechanism.
  • Phoebe WB being Proper Adventurous as new sidekick Helena, who is apparently quite the con artist.  Another crazy thought: could they be prepping a spin-off series focused on Helena? Something to fill the void when Harrison is gone?
  • Indy refers to her as his god-daughter... is that part of their con act, or does that mean she's Helena Brody?  Stop making so much good sense!
  • Some classic Indy gags - car chases, duelling tuktuks, and racing a horse through the subway - plus getting in way over his head (again).
  • There'll also be a bit with a digitally de-aged Harrison and Mads set in 1944. Whether that's a cold open or a rewind, we do not yet know.
  • Additional cast: John Rhys-Davis is back as Sallah, plus Toby Jones, Boyd Holbrook, Shaunette Renée Wilson, and Antonio Banderas in an as-yet-undisclosed role.  Honestly, they had me at John Rhys-Davis.  I mean, I watched that truly dreadful Kings Solomon's Mines all the way through just because he was in it. He was the best part, easily. Everything that man does has gold in it.  It may be a gilded piece of trash, but still. (Looking at you The Shannara Chronicles. 😒) And I love the character of Sallah.  So glad to see him back.

 

On 12/1/2022 at 6:35 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

Indy was 13 during the Last Crusade cold open, which was set in 1912. So, born 1899.

Marion/Karen Allen may or may not be in the movie - she's currently not listed on main cast - so Indy may or may not be a widow at this point.  Karen Allen had stepped away from the camera for a few years when they asked her to come back for the last Indy movie.  She only does occasional stuff since then.  I'm suspicious they may give her a cameo, like a "the one to come home to" scene at the end.

 

If you want classic score: here's Helena's (very 30s/40s femme fatale) Theme.

 

Oh, and Mutt died on the way back to his home planet.  🤣  They'll probably just say Mutt's off having an adventure elsewhere.  Or in the therapy ward recovering from an accident where he busted his hand.  😉

 

23 hours ago, Sakai said:

Didn't he drink from the holy graile? Think he will live a while.  Interesting that you should say that.  Largely forgotten today, there was the Young Indiana Jones TV series from the early 1990s.  It was blessed by George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, though I don't know how involved from day-to-day they were. (Spielberg has done the occasional TV series.) In it, an Indy in his 90's relates tales of adventures from his youth.  A different actor played the old Indy, and...Indy had a patch over one eye from some injury sustained previously.  Could this final Harrison Ford film show that injury?

 

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3 minutes ago, Techwright said:

Karen Allen had stepped away from the camera for a few years when they asked her to come back for the last Indy movie.  She only does occasional stuff since then.

Last credit I can find for her is V/O for Ethan Hawke's rather fine doco-series The Last Movie Stars, voicing Frances Woodward's memoirs. TBH, after the experience of Crystal Skull, I'd be wary about coming back to the series as well. 

 

11 minutes ago, Techwright said:

...there was the Young Indiana Jones TV series from the early 1990s.

I think this was on Sky in the UK, so I didn't manage to catch it. I'm kinda surprised that hasn't shown up on D+, Amazon or Netflix yet: along with the companion historical documentaries, but I think History Channel had the rights to them at the time. (They'd probably never show them on the main channel again, because they contain actual history.)

This does beg the question, mind: if these are canon, then they can't do a blaze-of-glory ending for Indy. Unless we're mucking around with narrative causality...

 

16 minutes ago, Techwright said:

They'll probably just say Mutt's off having an adventure elsewhere. 

...on the way to his home planet, where he died. I will accept no other canon.

 

There was a fair bit wrong with Crystal Skull, and Shia's character was a fair bit of that. Though Shia himself hadn't got, er, difficult by that point, I have a feeling that's where things kicked off. Harrison genuinely liked the kid right up until he started badmouthing the movie.

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New trailer from SW Celebration is up…

 

Yup, we’re doing the timewarp. But from some of these scenes I’m not sure if it affects what time people are in, how old they are, or somehow both…

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On 12/2/2022 at 4:24 AM, TheOtherTed said:

Also, how was "Bladerunner 2049"?  Didn't even know that was a thing until I reviewed his filmography.

 

It was really pretty to look at, and they did the correct thing by not giving Gosling a lot of words so it is a bit like watching him in one of Winding-Refn's movies (Drive, Only God Forgives).

 

Considering my massive affection for the original, I didn't find any reason for Nerd Rage though. Give it a go if you want some eye candy. 😄

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7 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

New trailer from SW Celebration is up…

 

Yup, we’re doing the timewarp. But from some of these scenes I’m not sure if it affects what time people are in, how old they are, or somehow both…

 

Was that Toby Jones who accidentally fired the gun? 

 

Okay, I'm interested.  With a Dial of Destiny, Indy can knock out Hitler over 200 times.

 

Actually, this makes me really wish they'd reboot or continue The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles that I've mentioned before.

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