kheldians The (Almost) Complete guide to Kheldians

[Laucianna]

56 minutes ago, honoroit said:

this guide is great - ty for making it!  

 

khelds are super fun, PB most of all imo.  while youve maybe not the power of a focused other xyz archetype, you have massive power diversity versus say a melee character, and can get a lot of unique sets put with some creativity. ranged, melee aoe, ranged aoe, def, res, heals... and, you get a bunch of free powers for things like lotg muling.

 

functionally, you can deal with most things.  power overchoice is a thing, but thats a better problem to have than 2 or more from a set which are definate passes.

 

apart from instant shifting the HEATs havent gotten a refresh in a bit, at least not to my awareness.

 

animations are super nice on the powers, big bangs of light and stuff... 

 

it would be nice to hear your thoughts on the impact of the atos from a play standpoint. what does it mean 'empower forms' for example, spelled out.

 

recommend something like q (squid), z (lobster) and e (humee) for the binds, as you dont have to get off wasd. 

 

i have macros for the human form from ages ago, that toggle on the shields / auras if you repeatedly press the button, it falls through. they still work, I'd post them if i knew how to make it show me 'whats the macro on 'e''

 

Great suggestion hun! Added a section explaining the 2 special Enhancement sets you can get and the form empowerment (Also learned something new about it whilst testing!) And with the binds I put them as the numpads as if people want them there great, if not it is easier to replace it with "Q" or "E" then figuring out "Numpad1" ❤️ 

 

 - Lauci x 

[Thrax]

Here is my build.  Best one I've had yet.  Has glowing touch and experimental injection to heal others.  Has lobster to tank if you have to.  I have another build that is squid or lobster only with human just for buffs if you need to tank for extended periods.  Mine is just fine and is good in a pinch or if tank dies it tanks long enough for main tank to get back up, like in 4 star ITFs for instance.  

 

https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=2064&c=802&a=1604&f=HEX&dc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

[Fire Chief]

Inspired now to knock the dust off one of my lvl 50 PB'ers and get in on some Khel MSR fun again.

[User]

These are my warshade binds. I don't claim they're perfect, but they work decently well for me. I use slightly different trays than this guide, but this should easily be adapted and I hope it at least serves up some interesting ideas. I drop the bind file in C:\Games\Homecoming\settings\live\binds\warshade.txt I load it with /bindloadfile "binds/warshade.txt". You only have to load it once per character unless you edit it.

 

Here's  how I use it:

• C drops whatever form you're in, turns off affect self only, switches to human tray, and fires off eclipse. 
• E switches to dwarf form and tray. If already in dwarf form it mires. So you can just mash e until the mire goes off and then switch to nova or whatever
• Alt-E drops any form you're in. If pressed again it does human mire. (I should probably make it drop intangible too)
• Shift+lbutton is your standard teleport bind
• Q switches to nova form and tray. It does nothing if you're already a nova, since I spend most of my time in nova. You could edit it like E to fire off a nova aoe or something for easy mashing and form switching.
• Alt-Q drops any forms as well as only affect self. I might bind some human form power here like I did for alt-E at some point. Edit: Oh it also turns on your intangibility power
• V drops whatever form you're in and does a heal.

 

 

The idea is you shouldn't have to think about forms, you just press the key for the power you want and it happens. There's definitely room for improvement here!

 

 

C "powexectoggleoff Black Dwarf$$powexectoggleoff Dark Nova$$powexectoggleoff Nebulous Form$$powexecname Eclipse$$gototray 1$$bind shift+lbutton powexecname shadow step"
E "powexectoggleon Black Dwarf$$gototray 9$$bind shift+lbutton powexecname black dwarf step$$powexecname black dwarf mire"
ALT+E "powexectoggleoff Black Dwarf$$powexectoggleoff Dark Nova$$powexecname Sunless Mire$$gototray 1$$bind shift+lbutton powexecname shadow step"
SHIFT+LBUTTON "powexecname shadow step"
Q "powexectoggleon Dark Nova$$gototray 8"
ALT+Q "powexectoggleoff Dark Nova$$powexectoggleoff Black Dwarf$$powexectoggleon Nebulous Form$$gototray 1$$bind shift+lbutton powexecname shadow step"
V "powexectoggleoff Black Dwarf$$powexectoggleoff Dark Nova$$powexecname Stygian Circle$$gototray 1$$bind shift+lbutton powexecname shadow step"

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by User

[Thrax]

Is there a cool macro that would target the strongest enemy dead body for use with dark extraction?

[Dungeoness Eloora]

1 hour ago, Thrax said:

Is there a cool macro that would target the strongest enemy dead body for use with dark extraction?

You could create a macro that targeted boss corpses by name, but you'd hit the character limit pretty quickly, as there are a lot of different bosses in the game. You'd essentially need a macro for every mob type in the game that you frequently fight. Nothing accomplishes what you're asking automatically. Just slam the Dark Extraction skill twice when a fresh corpse is around, and move on with whatever you get. Extra fuss isn't worth it, and just increases the chance your summon will fail due to the disappearing corpse bug.

[SeraphimKensai]

2 hours ago, Thrax said:

Is there a cool macro that would target the strongest enemy dead body for use with dark extraction?

I've requested this functionality a few years ago to be able to target enemies by rank, but hasn't been implemented.

[Thrax]

Thanks y'all.  I've always sucked at binds/macros.  And base building but that isn't relative lol.  

[Xiddo]

On 4/7/2023 at 9:42 PM, honoroit said:

apart from instant shifting the HEATs havent gotten a refresh in a bit, at least not to my awareness.

 

i have macros for the human form from ages ago, that toggle on the shields / auras if you repeatedly press the button, it falls through. they still work, I'd post them if i knew how to make it show me 'whats the macro on 'e''

Heya!
I'd argue the toggle suppression really helped WS and - to a lesser extent - PBs. When I'm shifting as the WS the stun aura can quickly nip a mob and give me a little more bit breathing space.
Also, the level unlock changes mean we - maybe annoyingly - peak even earlier now. In a Moonfire you have Eclipse/Light Form. Exemping is much, much simpler and more efficient. Not trying to be pedantic, just in case you hadn't seen some changes!

My dream would be: we get the forms auto-unlocked at 6 and 20, powers included. Frees us 2 power picks. I could finally get Fold Space on my PB...

[Laucianna]

24 minutes ago, Xiddo said:

Heya!
I'd argue the toggle suppression really helped WS and - to a lesser extent - PBs. When I'm shifting as the WS the stun aura can quickly nip a mob and give me a little more bit breathing space.
Also, the level unlock changes mean we - maybe annoyingly - peak even earlier now. In a Moonfire you have Eclipse/Light Form. Exemping is much, much simpler and more efficient. Not trying to be pedantic, just in case you hadn't seen some changes!

My dream would be: we get the forms auto-unlocked at 6 and 20, powers included. Frees us 2 power picks. I could finally get Fold Space on my PB...

I could not agree more! Toggle suppression felt like a massive QoL and to a smaller extend a buff to both Kheldians (As a PeaceBringer it is so nice not having to toggle your flight etc back on each time!!!) The auto unlock forms is a great idea I've not heard before! Would love to see how people build differently if those powers are auto unlocked ❤️

 - Lauci x

Edited April 11, 2023 by Goddess Laucianna

[honoroit]

@Xiddo i just want pb buffs, big smash pb buffs. imma reroll my ba scrapper soon to remake pb  became disappoint in the late 30s.  you cant beat the flexibility of heats.

[honoroit]

my 'e' macro - E " powexec_toggleoff White Dwarf$$powexec_toggleoff Bright Nova$$goto_tray 1$$powexec_toggleon Shining Shield$$powexec_toggleon Thermal Shield$$powexec_toggleon Quantum Shield$$powexec_auto hasten$$powexec_toggleon combat flight"

 

you spam it, and it turns on all your things, but wont turn them off, and you can use it to change out of squid / lobsters.

 

[Xiddo]

I finally wiggled my build around and got Fold Space on my PB. The JOY i felt seeing you can use it while in dwarf and squid… The dream.

Edited April 14, 2023 by Xiddo

[50caltech]

what would be better...tri form, or 3 form build?   never used 3 form builds on any AT combos so need advice....

Edited April 22, 2023 by 50caltech

[Laucianna]

21 hours ago, 50caltech said:

what would be better...tri form, or 3 form build?   never used 3 form builds on any AT combos so need advice....

Tri form is a 3 form build hun? Unless I am missing something XD Or do you mean a separate build for each form?

 

 - Lauci  x

[50caltech]

what i mean by 3 form....  1 keld with 3 complete separate builds of each form  1 all dwarf for tanking, 1 squid for ranged blaster and human form....each with their own full use slots,, instead of tri form which combines all 3 and shares slots....

[Laucianna]

6 hours ago, 50caltech said:

what i mean by 3 form....  1 keld with 3 complete separate builds of each form  1 all dwarf for tanking, 1 squid for ranged blaster and human form....each with their own full use slots,, instead of tri form which combines all 3 and shares slots....

I would say you are highly limiting yourself hun as switches builds resets all cooldowns so you have to wait a while for things to pop back up, I would suggest going dual form if you want to focus on tanking/ranged etc as humans are the ones with 2 nukes and 2 heals, so you will be missing out on a lot of damage/survivability if you ignore human form ❤️ Human only is fine though as you have a decent variety of tools though you will still be slightly limited imo.

 

 - Lauci x

[Harakh]

@Goddess Laucianna

 

Thanks again for the Kheld Family invite - I just learned how to make gifs and used your image to practice a little masking. Real basic (as I am lol) thought I'd pass it along in case you may actually use it ^.^ Cheers

 

 

 

_______

 

 

Since you're using the avatar... when I got back to comp I noticed the eye glow wasn't even but I saved wrong format to change what i wanted so added another mask to pump up the glow stage left and added a longer background sequence and increased the speed. Obsessive compulsive much

 

@Goddess Laucianna

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Harakh

[Laucianna]

1 hour ago, Harakh said:

@Goddess Laucianna

 

Thanks again for the Kheld Family invite - I just learned how to make gifs and used your image to practice a little masking. Real basic (as I am lol) thought I'd pass it along in case you may actually use it ^.^ Cheers

 

 

 

 

I absolutely love it!!!! ❤️❤️❤️

 

 - Lauci x

[Caadium]

On 4/11/2023 at 7:13 AM, Goddess Laucianna said:

I could not agree more! Toggle suppression felt like a massive QoL and to a smaller extend a buff to both Kheldians (As a PeaceBringer it is so nice not having to toggle your flight etc back on each time!!!) The auto unlock forms is a great idea I've not heard before! Would love to see how people build differently if those powers are auto unlocked ❤️

 - Lauci x

I would also add that the changes to Teleport were a great boon to Warshades. With Sunless Mire and Black Dwarf Mire being such key powers for a Warshade, Starless Step and Shadow Slip both help a lot. The first being a quick combat TP into a pack, and the later summoning a pack to you. 

[Laucianna]

16 minutes ago, Caadium said:

I would also add that the changes to Teleport were a great boon to Warshades. With Sunless Mire and Black Dwarf Mire being such key powers for a Warshade, Starless Step and Shadow Slip both help a lot. The first being a quick combat TP into a pack, and the later summoning a pack to you. 

True! I am still jealous we don't get them on PeaceBringer too! Though that is just me being greedy at that point XD

- Lauci x

[Xiddo]

12 hours ago, Goddess Laucianna said:

True! I am still jealous we don't get them on PeaceBringer too! Though that is just me being greedy at that point XD

- Lauci x

I’ve managed to wiggle it into mine without losing too much bar a couple of psi res mules. I’ll DM you my build once home today.

[Dungeoness Eloora]

4 hours ago, Xiddo said:

I’ve managed to wiggle it into mine without losing too much bar a couple of psi res mules. I’ll DM you my build once home today.

I just redid my human form PB build, and decided I just had to have Fold Space in it. It is definitely not easy to squeeze in, and I ended up short on LotG spots and also fell short of my psi res goal of 50%. The TP pool doesn't give much of a return on investment in that category, besides more travel power unique mules, but at least they don't need extra slots!

[JetpacKangaroo]

Back on live I briefly played a PB before shut down and loved it, but only got to 32. So a few weeks ago I decided to give PB another shot and while I was leveling, I got a message from you about joining the Kheldian Family channel which led me here! (Thank you so much! This post has helped me a lot!) I've been playing it off and on these last few weeks at 50 and working on getting a build together (while loosely following the provided builds by Doom) and I've just been having such a great time!

[Laucianna]

On 4/29/2023 at 6:40 PM, JetpacKangaroo said:

Back on live I briefly played a PB before shut down and loved it, but only got to 32. So a few weeks ago I decided to give PB another shot and while I was leveling, I got a message from you about joining the Kheldian Family channel which led me here! (Thank you so much! This post has helped me a lot!) I've been playing it off and on these last few weeks at 50 and working on getting a build together (while loosely following the provided builds by Doom) and I've just been having such a great time!

Glad to see you here hun! Yeah I try to message a any Kheldian I see online about it to help our numbers grow ❤️

 

 - Lauci x