Beast Mastery needs more AoE

[kelika2]

Summon Wolves - Piercing Howl.  Smash/Energy.  PBAOE 10ft radius.  Available with level 6 upgrade.

Summon Lions - Pounce.  Smashing.  Spring Attack/TAoE 10ft radius.  Available with the level 6 upgrade.

Summon Dire Wolf - Increase their aoe target caps.  I think the cone howl has 3 targets max.

[biostem]

I agree that the beast mastery could use some love, but at the same time, and unlike a player, those powers can be used by each of your 3 wolves, 2 lionesses, and dire wolf, so you basically have 6 AoEs, and that doesn't include call ravens, giving you a grand total of 7 AoEs, (plus any from your APP/PPP or other pools)...

Edited June 2, 2023 by biostem

[Rudra]

As opposed to say Ninjas? Jounin get Caltrops and Golden Dragonfly. Oni get Fire Breath and Rain of Fire. Genin get jack all.

 

And that is just one power set for comparison. I don't have time right now for the rest.

 

Edit:

Dire Wolf gets Chilling Howl (3 target, 80 ft 20 degree cone), Terrible Howl (16 target, 15 ft. radius PBAoE debuff, terror, and damage effect), and Freezing Roar (16 targets, 50 ft. 30 degree cone).

Lionesses get Claw Swipe (16 targets, 7 ft. 90 degree cone), Ferocious Growl (6 targets, 15 ft. PBAoE Stun), and Lion's Roar (255 targets, 15 ft PBAoE debuff).

Wolves get Howl (255 targets, 15 ft. PBAoE debuff) and Growl (16 targets, 15 ft. PBAoE debuff, Alpha Wolf only).

https://cod.uberguy.net/html/powerset.html?pset=mastermind_summon.beast_mastery&at=mastermind

 

Claw Swipe, Howl, Ferocious Growl, and Terrible Howl are granted by Tame Beasts. Freezing Roar, Lion's Roar, and Growl are granted by Train Beasts.

 

So Beast Mastery isn't lacking for AoEs, just 4 of 8 pet AoEs are debuffs/Stun rather than damaging attacks.

Edited June 3, 2023 by Rudra

[kelika2]

2 hours ago, biostem said:

I agree that the beast mastery could use some love, but at the same time, and unlike a player, those powers can be used by each of your 3 wolves, 2 lionesses, and dire wolf, so you basically have 6 AoEs, and that doesn't include call ravens, giving you a grand total of 7 AoEs, (plus any from your APP/PPP or other pools)...

wont always have all pets out at low level

reverse level shift

and pets low base damage

 

itll be fiiiine

[biostem]

6 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

wont always have all pets out at low level

reverse level shift

and pets low base damage

And any other AT won;t have access to their AoEs, depending upon what level they are exemplared/malefactored down to.  Sure, pets have lower base damage, but you also get up to 6 of them, they cost you no end once summoned & upgraded, and although it can be a bit cumbersome, they can be resummoned quite often.

 

8 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

itll be fiiiine

Do you drink critically?  😉

[kelika2]

9 hours ago, biostem said:

And any other AT won;t have access to their AoEs, depending upon what level they are exemplared/malefactored down to.  Sure, pets have lower base damage, but you also get up to 6 of them, they cost you no end once summoned & upgraded, and although it can be a bit cumbersome, they can be resummoned quite often.

because that argument can also be used for their single target attacks

and then you remember assault rifle, fire blast, etc

[Rudra]

Masterminds can get their first pet upgrade power at level 6 and their T2 pet at level 12. I am not aware of any Flashback content that exemps you below level 7. So a Mastermind playing at lower levels, but not leveling up through those lower levels, still gets a minimum 3 pets with their first upgrade if they take their pet powers at lowest available level.