How does one do a Jump Attack out of Hidden?

[Sou1catcher]

I seem to remember that I could leap out of stealth for the crit damage and for the life of me I am having all kinds of issues with it dropping Hidden before the attack goes off.

 

Is there a trick or Macro to this?

[Kaika]

Haven't used it myself but likely it does not crit, alot of powers are like that. Shield charge also does not crit and works the same way, my guess is this is due to them being a "pseudo pet", you technically aren't dealing the damage yourself when you use it, you are summoning a invisible pet that deals the damage for you. My guess is that making that invisible pet determine your hidden state is too difficult so they opted to just make it never crit. If it works like Shield charge though it shouldn't drop hide, likely for similar reasons.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Riot Siren

[Solarverse]

On 8/11/2023 at 7:55 PM, Riot Siren said:

Haven't used it myself but likely it does not crit, alot of powers are like that. Shield charge also does not crit and works the same way, my guess is this is due to them being a "pseudo pet", you technically aren't dealing the damage yourself when you use it, you are summoning a invisible pet that deals the damage for you. My guess is that making that invisible pet determine your hidden state is too difficult so they opted to just make it never crit. If it works like Shield charge though it shouldn't drop hide, likely for similar reasons.

 

Not sure that is the case, since (I think) Lightening Rod works much in the same way and it Critts.

[Captain Fabulous]

On 8/11/2023 at 12:21 PM, Sou1catcher said:

I seem to remember that I could leap out of stealth for the crit damage and for the life of me I am having all kinds of issues with it dropping Hidden before the attack goes off.

 

Is there a trick or Macro to this?

If you mean Spring Attack, it's not flagged to crit.

 

1 hour ago, Solarverse said:

 

Not sure that is the case, since (I think) Lightening Rod works much in the same way and it Critts.

It also isn't flagged to crit.

[biostem]

I just checked, and Savage Leap *does* do crit damage, but it's only a 50% chance.

[Troo]

On 8/11/2023 at 9:21 AM, Sou1catcher said:

I seem to remember..

 

https://archive.paragonwiki.com/wiki/Stalker#Hiding

Hiding

Despite the rather misleading name, the Hidden status only means that the Stalker is poised to deliver stronger or more reliable critical hits. Hidden mode and Stealth aren't directly linked, although they often occur together. A Stalker can be Hidden even if an enemy has enough Perception to see him.

Stalkers have two ways to become Hidden. The Hide power continually grants Hidden status, though that status suppresses for eight seconds each time the Stalker uses an attack power (except for missed Assassin's Strikes), suffers damage from an enemy (falling doesn't count), or clicks a mission object. Using the Placate power on any target also puts the Stalker in Hidden mode, no matter who he attacks, for a fixed period of ten seconds.

 

Criticals

Stalkers cause a great deal of additional damage through critical hits. The exact chances of a critical vary greatly with the situation and the power used. Stalker criticals do double damage except in one case which we'll get to in a moment.

Most Stalker single-target attacks automatically critical against any target if the Stalker is Hidden. If the Stalker isn't Hidden and he's attacking a PvE enemy, his chance of critting is 10% + 3% per teammate within 30'. In PvP, most un-Hidden Stalker single-target attacks can only crit if the target is Held or Slept, and do so 20% of the time, but a few get criticals 10%-15% of the time regardless of whether the target is mezzed.

Stalker AoE attacks work similarly, though the crit chances for Hidden AoEs and for un-Hidden PvP AoEs are half the typical single-target chances. Un-Hidden PvE AoEs use the full 10% + 3%/teammate formula without halving. Crits are checked separately for each target hit.

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by Troo

[Solarverse]

5 hours ago, Captain Fabulous said:

If you mean Spring Attack, it's not flagged to crit.

 

It also isn't flagged to crit.

 

It has been a while since I have played my Elec Stalker, but I am sure it Critts from Hide. I can run tests at some point in time today if you wish just to be sure?

 

Edit: I stand corrected. After running a few short tests, it does not critt. What I was remembering is the extra damage from procs, not from critts, and it does not break hide, so your follow-up attack critts. So you are correct, it is not flagged to crit so my point is moot.

Edited September 11, 2023 by Solarverse