biostem Posted July 25 Posted July 25 So, we have power pools focused around making you or others less noticeable, (concealment), and more noticeable, (presence, except for pacify). I think it'd be great if we had a power pool that centered around misdirecting or otherwise misleading your enemies. To that end, I present "Misdirection": 1. Distraction - A simple power that has your character throw a rock or some other object at a targeted location. This power, (possibly via a pseudopet), generates a short lived taunt effect that lures enemies to the targeted location. 2. Forged Credentials - This click power, for a very short period of time, makes a single targeted enemy friendly to you. 3. Falsified Orders - This power, which targets a specific enemy, very briefly marks them as hostile to their allies, thereby getting them to attack said enemy, (kind of the reverse of a confusion power). Would only work on LTs or lower. 4. Clever Disguise - This toggle power would work similar to stealth, effectively making enemies non-hostile to you. 5. Infighting - This AoE power would work similarly to a confuse power, causing a group of lower-tier enemies to fight among themselves. 1 1
Rudra Posted July 25 Posted July 25 32 minutes ago, biostem said: 1. Distraction - A simple power that has your character throw a rock or some other object at a targeted location. This power, (possibly via a pseudopet), generates a short lived taunt effect that lures enemies to the targeted location. This also needs a -range component or the enemies will not actually go to the location. 32 minutes ago, biostem said: 2. Forged Credentials - This click power, for a very short period of time, makes a single targeted enemy friendly to you. I can see this working for gaining access to something for mission plot, but ye olde typical enemy isn't going to care what your credentials are. So this feels more like a mission point than a character power for this game. 33 minutes ago, biostem said: 3. Falsified Orders - This power, which targets a specific enemy, very briefly marks them as hostile to their allies, thereby getting them to attack said enemy, (kind of the reverse of a confusion power). Would only work on LTs or lower. Ye olde typical enemy is going to look at your character with the falsified orders and just shoot you. I recommend taking a different approach for the confuse effect. The Concealment pool has a stealth power and Misdirection, which placates all foes within 20 feet (up to Mag 4) for 15 seconds. So as far as naming goes, there is a conflict to address. 1
megaericzero Posted July 25 Posted July 25 (edited) Erm, are powers 2 through 5 not Pacify, Confuse, Stealth, and Duplicity? Or is this a satirical suggestion that's going over my head? Edited July 25 by megaericzero
Uun Posted July 25 Posted July 25 9 hours ago, biostem said: 1. Distraction - A simple power that has your character throw a rock or some other object at a targeted location. This power, (possibly via a pseudopet), generates a short lived taunt effect that lures enemies to the targeted location. An interesting way this could work would be to summon a hologram of yourself at a targeted location. It would taunt foes and/or have a taunt aura. It would be targetable but wouldn't take damage, and would disappear after 5-10s. 9 hours ago, biostem said: 3. Falsified Orders - This power, which targets a specific enemy, very briefly marks them as hostile to their allies, thereby getting them to attack said enemy, (kind of the reverse of a confusion power). Would only work on LTs or lower. Targeted AoE confuse that doesn't effect the target? Not sure how you get them to attack the target and not each other. 1 Uuniverse
mistagoat Posted July 25 Posted July 25 9 hours ago, biostem said: 1. Distraction - A simple power that has your character throw a rock or some other object at a targeted location. This power, (possibly via a pseudopet), generates a short lived taunt effect that lures enemies to the targeted location. I kinda love this one! I could see a solo troller using this to great effect on spawns that are really spread out. Fire this off, get them to gather on it and then unleash all your AoEs. Yes please! 1 SCRAPPER: Sir Kit Breaker-Elec/Shield *DumDum Pounder-WM/Shield *Snoglobe-Claws/Ice *Ice Flow Joe-Axe/Ice *TANK: Gamma Goon-Rad/Rad *Bernjamin Tanklin-fire/claws *Skullgrin Von Killjoy-Invul/SS *Frozen Snowshoo-Ice/Ice Quarry Goon-Stone/SS *BRUTE: Megahertz Donut-EM/Shield *Ohm Ahgerd Stone/Elec *Shadow Goon-Dark/Dark *Devilaint Le'Z-Rad/Fire *STALKER: Double OHM 7-EM/EA *Sir Kit Interupt-Elec/Shield *TROLLER: Chilly Lilly-Ice/Rad *Chlorophyllis Vance-Plant/Storm *Mechamoo-Elec/Cold *Johnny Burnsalot-Fire/Kin *Countess Gone-Ill/Dark *Lady Gone-Dark/Dark *Calpernia Tomik-Ill/Rad *Porkchop Scallywag-Fire/Nat *Gone Daddy-Plant/Dark *Merrie Melody-Symp/Dark *Toot Sweet-Fire/Dark *Lord Gone-Grav/Dark *Misty Burnsalot-Fire/Storm *Maddie Burnsalot-Fire/Rad *DOM: Scorched Eartha-Earth/Fire *Gazebo Malarkey-Dark/Psi *Clawsin Bloom-Plant/Savage *Diatomaceous Earl-Plant/Thorn *Permafrostasha-Plant/Ice *Corn Cob Earth/Earth *MM: Stupid Robot-Bot/Elec *Dark Leader-Demons/Dark *Silas Greenback-Thugs/Time *FENDER: *Dr. Gone-Dark/Dark *BAG3L-FF/Sonic *BLASTER: PinPointress-Arch/TA *Shimmy Burnsalot-Fire/TA *Lil Beefy-Ice/Fire *H0TT-fire/fire *CORRUPTOR: Shady Burnsalot-Fire/Dark *Kinetic Koala-Ice/Kin *Atmospheric Hazel-Water/Storm *Hami Dum-Seismic/Nature *MiHami Heat-Fire/Nature *SOA *Big Gravy-Crabbermind *Sentinel: NP Seymour-Elec/Regen
Luminara Posted July 25 Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, Uun said: Targeted AoE confuse that doesn't effect the target? Not sure how you get them to attack the target and not each other. GrantPower PBAoE Confuse (excludes main target), Taunt (main target only). 1 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right.
mistagoat Posted July 25 Posted July 25 8 minutes ago, Uun said: Targeted AoE confuse that doesn't effect the target? Not sure how you get them to attack the target and not each other. It sounds like this would be single target. You hit one "villain" with it and he becomes a "hero" and then all his villain buddies go "oh snap! Where did that hero come from? Git em!" for a few seconds. SCRAPPER: Sir Kit Breaker-Elec/Shield *DumDum Pounder-WM/Shield *Snoglobe-Claws/Ice *Ice Flow Joe-Axe/Ice *TANK: Gamma Goon-Rad/Rad *Bernjamin Tanklin-fire/claws *Skullgrin Von Killjoy-Invul/SS *Frozen Snowshoo-Ice/Ice Quarry Goon-Stone/SS *BRUTE: Megahertz Donut-EM/Shield *Ohm Ahgerd Stone/Elec *Shadow Goon-Dark/Dark *Devilaint Le'Z-Rad/Fire *STALKER: Double OHM 7-EM/EA *Sir Kit Interupt-Elec/Shield *TROLLER: Chilly Lilly-Ice/Rad *Chlorophyllis Vance-Plant/Storm *Mechamoo-Elec/Cold *Johnny Burnsalot-Fire/Kin *Countess Gone-Ill/Dark *Lady Gone-Dark/Dark *Calpernia Tomik-Ill/Rad *Porkchop Scallywag-Fire/Nat *Gone Daddy-Plant/Dark *Merrie Melody-Symp/Dark *Toot Sweet-Fire/Dark *Lord Gone-Grav/Dark *Misty Burnsalot-Fire/Storm *Maddie Burnsalot-Fire/Rad *DOM: Scorched Eartha-Earth/Fire *Gazebo Malarkey-Dark/Psi *Clawsin Bloom-Plant/Savage *Diatomaceous Earl-Plant/Thorn *Permafrostasha-Plant/Ice *Corn Cob Earth/Earth *MM: Stupid Robot-Bot/Elec *Dark Leader-Demons/Dark *Silas Greenback-Thugs/Time *FENDER: *Dr. Gone-Dark/Dark *BAG3L-FF/Sonic *BLASTER: PinPointress-Arch/TA *Shimmy Burnsalot-Fire/TA *Lil Beefy-Ice/Fire *H0TT-fire/fire *CORRUPTOR: Shady Burnsalot-Fire/Dark *Kinetic Koala-Ice/Kin *Atmospheric Hazel-Water/Storm *Hami Dum-Seismic/Nature *MiHami Heat-Fire/Nature *SOA *Big Gravy-Crabbermind *Sentinel: NP Seymour-Elec/Regen
shortguy on indom Posted July 25 Posted July 25 POOL IDEA SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN! PvP Capture the Flag! Bring some fun into it....
Uun Posted July 25 Posted July 25 50 minutes ago, mistagoat said: It sounds like this would be single target. You hit one "villain" with it and he becomes a "hero" and then all his villain buddies go "oh snap! Where did that hero come from? Git em!" for a few seconds. I don't think the game engine can do this. Uuniverse
mistagoat Posted July 25 Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Uun said: I don't think the game engine can do this. Oh dang! Thats a shame, was an interesting idea. What if it applied a costume change to the target in the vein of the arachnos costume temp power that players get in the Faultline arc that makes all the other arachnos non-hostile to the player when its activated? I'm assuming that it applies a non-hostile flag to the player, could the reverse be done? (disclaimer: I may be wildly misunderstanding how that temp power achieves its effect.) SCRAPPER: Sir Kit Breaker-Elec/Shield *DumDum Pounder-WM/Shield *Snoglobe-Claws/Ice *Ice Flow Joe-Axe/Ice *TANK: Gamma Goon-Rad/Rad *Bernjamin Tanklin-fire/claws *Skullgrin Von Killjoy-Invul/SS *Frozen Snowshoo-Ice/Ice Quarry Goon-Stone/SS *BRUTE: Megahertz Donut-EM/Shield *Ohm Ahgerd Stone/Elec *Shadow Goon-Dark/Dark *Devilaint Le'Z-Rad/Fire *STALKER: Double OHM 7-EM/EA *Sir Kit Interupt-Elec/Shield *TROLLER: Chilly Lilly-Ice/Rad *Chlorophyllis Vance-Plant/Storm *Mechamoo-Elec/Cold *Johnny Burnsalot-Fire/Kin *Countess Gone-Ill/Dark *Lady Gone-Dark/Dark *Calpernia Tomik-Ill/Rad *Porkchop Scallywag-Fire/Nat *Gone Daddy-Plant/Dark *Merrie Melody-Symp/Dark *Toot Sweet-Fire/Dark *Lord Gone-Grav/Dark *Misty Burnsalot-Fire/Storm *Maddie Burnsalot-Fire/Rad *DOM: Scorched Eartha-Earth/Fire *Gazebo Malarkey-Dark/Psi *Clawsin Bloom-Plant/Savage *Diatomaceous Earl-Plant/Thorn *Permafrostasha-Plant/Ice *Corn Cob Earth/Earth *MM: Stupid Robot-Bot/Elec *Dark Leader-Demons/Dark *Silas Greenback-Thugs/Time *FENDER: *Dr. Gone-Dark/Dark *BAG3L-FF/Sonic *BLASTER: PinPointress-Arch/TA *Shimmy Burnsalot-Fire/TA *Lil Beefy-Ice/Fire *H0TT-fire/fire *CORRUPTOR: Shady Burnsalot-Fire/Dark *Kinetic Koala-Ice/Kin *Atmospheric Hazel-Water/Storm *Hami Dum-Seismic/Nature *MiHami Heat-Fire/Nature *SOA *Big Gravy-Crabbermind *Sentinel: NP Seymour-Elec/Regen
Rudra Posted July 25 Posted July 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, Uun said: 6 hours ago, mistagoat said: It sounds like this would be single target. You hit one "villain" with it and he becomes a "hero" and then all his villain buddies go "oh snap! Where did that hero come from? Git em!" for a few seconds. I don't think the game engine can do this. Sure it can. It simply changes the target from red box to blue box and imposes a non-animated Hold on the (now blue box) target or briefly applies a non-combat flag to the target to keep it from fighting back. Basically like how enemies can go friendly to you and find themselves now being attacked by the other enemies. That used to happen in some missions, just now it will be intentional. (Edit: Or yellow box them instead of blue box them so everyone can attack including you.) Edited July 25 by Rudra 1
temnix Posted July 27 Posted July 27 I think these ideas would work better in a wider set about impersonation and infiltration. Either of those can be its name. Or Manipulation. Another power might be a variety of stealth, targeted, something that would copy the appearance of an enemy and let the character pretend to be one of them, as long as he doesn't come too close. I wonder if this engine has a function for copying someone's appearance, though. It's funny, the Infinity Engine does, through a kind of back door.
Luminara Posted July 27 Posted July 27 21 minutes ago, temnix said: I wonder if this engine has a function for copying someone's appearance It's done in about a dozen missions. When you start playing, you'll find them. 2 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right.
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