Tankshock Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Anyone know where there are numbers for Pack Mentality and Fortify Pack, so I can make informed decisions on when to use them? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightSoul Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Here's what the Wayback Machine has from Red Tomax's data. source.Cur.kMeter * 0.1 + 0.05) * @Strength All Defense Types, All Defense Positions for 60s Whatever that means in English. Pack Mentality stacks 10 times and adds fast and drops fast. I still haven't figured out good usage timing for Fortify Pack yet. Looks like hitting it right after clearing the group before a boss would be fairly useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeon Hawkwood Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 source.Cur.kMeter * 0.1 + 0.05) * @Strength All Defense Types, All Defense Positions for 60s Whatever that means in English. Basically it means they get 5% defense plus an additional 1% defense for each stack of Pack Mentality you have. Similarly the regeneration buff appears to be 100% base plus 20% for each stack of Pack Mentality. It looks like behind the scenes Pack Mentality is actually treated as a meter rather than a stacked buff. Each instance of the buff gives you 10% meter charge. So with (for example) 5 stacks the defense would be 0.5 * 0.1 + 0.05 = 0.1 or 10% defense. Regarding the other part of OPs question Pines says that the damage bonus from PM is 2% per stack but I haven't checked that in game. 1 1 Defender Smash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightSoul Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just checked in game, Pack Mentality is indeed 2% damage per stack. And thanks for the math explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankshock Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 Thanks - so PM gives dam buff and def buff? Why pop Fortify Pack in that case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeon Hawkwood Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 No, PM just gives a damage buff. The Defense and Regen numbers I listed are for Fortify Pack. Defender Smash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxy Brain Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 What about the critical chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightSoul Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I've had no luck finding what the critical rate is from Fortify Pack. Not in game, Red Tomax, Paragon Wiki, nor Pine's Hero Planner. At least where I've looked. If no one wiser comes through with the info, I'll get some combat logs tomorrow to at least confirm crits are occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinningsphinx Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Ive observed that crit chance does seem to be related to level of your pet vs level of target after a lot of hours in Rikti warzone...the wolves almost never get a crit on anything, and its pretty much only coming from the DW at +4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankshock Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 So, given that my pets are always over 50% defense, there really is no reason to take Fortify Pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeon Hawkwood Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Well it does also give a passive crit bonus but since we don't know how large that is we can't really say if that makes it worth it or not, Defender Smash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxy Brain Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 It appears to be 10% per stack... which could be 1.1x the base crit chance given they crit naturally without Fortify Pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightSoul Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 The code is out there, someone with the right skills could probably find the data fast. I lack those skills. I'd be lucky to find it before the heat death of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankshock Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 Given how hard it is to get 5 defense powers, it's probably worth it just as a Luck mule (combined with the small crit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickshooter Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Well it does also give a passive crit bonus but since we don't know how large that is we can't really say if that makes it worth it or not, "Also, as an added bonus, simply purchasing it gives your pets a 2% chance to critically hit per stack of Pack Mentality." From the Intrepid Informer when Beast Mastery was released. Buff Trick Arrows! | Buff Poison! | Powerset Suggestions: Circus Performers Telepathy | Old Powerset Suggestions: Probability Distortion | Magnetism | Hyper-Intellect Some day, the prophecy will be fulfilled; Trick Arrows will be buffed and I will finally be allowed to die. https://twitter.com/trickshootah The Strange Relationship between Damage Buffs and Damage Resistance OR "Why doesn't Power Boost work on Cold Shields!?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeon Hawkwood Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 So an extra 20% at full stack, that's pretty good. Defender Smash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightSoul Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Well it does also give a passive crit bonus but since we don't know how large that is we can't really say if that makes it worth it or not, "Also, as an added bonus, simply purchasing it gives your pets a 2% chance to critically hit per stack of Pack Mentality." From the Intrepid Informer when Beast Mastery was released. Sourcery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxy Brain Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Well it does also give a passive crit bonus but since we don't know how large that is we can't really say if that makes it worth it or not, "Also, as an added bonus, simply purchasing it gives your pets a 2% chance to critically hit per stack of Pack Mentality." From the Intrepid Informer when Beast Mastery was released. Dont they have a base crit chance too? I have seen them crit when messing around at lvl 6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinningsphinx Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 5/25/2019 at 8:32 PM, Galaxy Brain said: Dont they have a base crit chance too? I have seen them crit when messing around at lvl 6... No, they get pack mentality from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josewales Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 5/23/2019 at 10:45 AM, Tankshock said: So, given that my pets are always over 50% defense, there really is no reason to take Fortify Pack? I took it for gambler recharge enhancement. I never use it. My 50 build is strong with nature as a secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plainguy Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 5/16/2019 at 3:33 PM, Adeon Hawkwood said: Basically it means they get 5% defense plus an additional 1% defense for each stack of Pack Mentality you have. Similarly the regeneration buff appears to be 100% base plus 20% for each stack of Pack Mentality. It looks like behind the scenes Pack Mentality is actually treated as a meter rather than a stacked buff. Each instance of the buff gives you 10% meter charge. So with (for example) 5 stacks the defense would be 0.5 * 0.1 + 0.05 = 0.1 or 10% defense. Regarding the other part of OPs question Pines says that the damage bonus from PM is 2% per stack but I haven't checked that in game. Ahh.. The man who taught me about Defense Cap all those years ago.. Love to see you posting.. Nothing but respect and love here.. Why Softcap is important: https://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-is-softcap-so-important.html Limits: https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits Attack Mechanics: https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics Semi & Petless Mastermind Builds: https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/10994-petless-and-semi-petless-masterminds/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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