Plant/Kin

[Papaschtroumpf]

I was hoping to find a plant/kin build to get inspired by but no luck so far.

I loved Plant as a dominator back on Live and I loved my Fire/Kin (was my 1st 50). Fire/Kin is a pretty obvious synergy, but I don;t want to reroll one.

I think Plant/kin should work too? Seeds make it safe to get into melee for Fulcrum shift, although Plant has no aura like hotfeet.

As an alternative Plant/Storm seems like a good choice too. I understand the hate for Storm controllers on team, although I successfully used a fire/storm on teams to great effect back in the day too.

 

So I'd love advice for or against Plant/Storm or Plant/Kin, build suggestions, and strategy advice. 

[Without_Pause]

My main was Kin on live. I essentially ODed on the powerset as I think it is my favorite or at least was on live. I even have a level 41 Elec/kin controller now. I just feel like I'm over Kin. I think /storm works better for Plant as it makes a riskier power set safer in vast part due to Seeds. This is also true for /kin mind you. The tree also patches a whole for /storm since it lacks a self heal. In terms of today's meta, /storm offers more interesting IO options over /kin as well. I had a Earth/storm on live and the thing was a beast even with common IOs. While I know Plant/storm might now the same amount of control*, the idea of sacrificing some of it for even more damage is incredibly tempting. Yes, I rolled one, but it is only like level 10.

 

I don't think a Plant/kin is a bad build. Anything which can do AoE containment and damage cap is alright with me. It is more like Plant/kin is really good. Plant/storm is just...interesting, and I gravitate towards that these days.

 

* I concede the idea that Earth/storm might be more control than needed anyway, but I played on PUGs who felt like they could play stupid knowing I had their back. Team wipes were rare.

[Papaschtroumpf]

Almost sold on Plant/Kin 🙂 I'll see if I can find a couple builds to figure out how people are using it.  In particular I need to remind myself how hurricane works in conjunction with group immob.

[omegaboost]

I'm currently running a Plant/Kin and it's a VERY strong combo. The only downside to this build is the underwhelming single target damage.. the only way I can reliably solo GMs is with the t4 longbow lore pet.

 

Soloing +4/8 my usual attack chain is:  Creepers -> Seeds -> Roots -> FS/SP -> SB on creeper vines -> Roots spam until clear

I also have the Energy Font IO slotted into roots. They don't do a lot of base damage but they can be SB'd/Fulcrum shifted and when you regularly have 3-5 out at a time, they DO make a difference.

 

Here's the build I'm using:

 

- FS up every 15 sec, SP up every 7sec

- Perma Carrion Creepers

- Close enough to S/L cap, 34% ranged defense

- You can swap out inertial reduction for siphon speed but I don't think it's necessary with 190% global recharge

 

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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Strangler -- SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SprWiloft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(3), SprWiloft-EndRdx/Rchg(3), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(5), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(11), SprWiloft-Rchg/Dmg%(23)
Level 1: Transfusion -- Acc-I(A), DctWnd-Rchg(5), DctWnd-Heal(7), DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(7), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx(9)
Level 2: Siphon Power -- Acc-I(A)
Level 4: Roots -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(13), PstBls-Dam%(13), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(15), SprOvrPrs-Rchg/Energy Font(46)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 8: Seeds of Confusion -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(17), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(17), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(19), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(19), CrcPrs-Conf%(21)
Level 10: Entangle -- Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Apc-Acc/Rchg(27), Apc-Dmg/Rchg(29), Apc-Dmg(29), Apc-Dam%(39)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(21), HO:Cyto(23)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Increase Density -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 18: Vines -- UnbCns-Acc/Hold/Rchg(A), UnbCns-Acc/Rchg(25), UnbCns-Hold/Rchg(25), UnbCns-Hold(27), UnbCns-Dam%(40)
Level 20: Speed Boost -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), Krm-ResKB(31), Ksm-ToHit+(31)
Level 26: Carrion Creepers -- Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(31), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(33), Rgn-Dmg(33), Rgn-Knock%(33), Ann-ResDeb%(48)
Level 28: Inertial Reduction -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(50)
Level 30: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(34)
Level 32: Fly Trap -- ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(34), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(34), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(36), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(36)
Level 35: Transference -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx-I(37)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(42), RedFrt-EndRdx(42), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFrt-Def(43)
Level 44: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(45), RedFrt-EndRdx(45), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(45), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Tactics -- AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(A), AdjTrg-EndRdx/Rchg(48), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(48), AdjTrg-ToHit/Rchg(50), AdjTrg-ToHit(50)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(40), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(40), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(37)
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Edited September 1, 2019 by omegaboost

[amagi]

Here is my build.  

 

Some notes: I took Hover (vs Combat Jumping) for thematic reasons.  CJ is superior.  I'm fine with running around and using a jetpack.

 

I stack Unbounded Leap Stealth (Sprint) and the Stealth Power to create a stealthable character.

 

I moved Villain side for Scorpion Shield.

 

I wanted the spider, again for thematic purpose.

 

This build has the Spiritual Incarnate for recharge.

 

Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5
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Pinchot: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
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Level 1:    Entangle    
 (A) Superior Will of the Controller - Accuracy/Confused/Hold/Immobilize/Sleep/Stun/Terrorized
 (3) Superior Will of the Controller - Recharge/Chance for Psionic Damage
 (3) Superior Will of the Controller - Confused/Hold/Immobilize/Sleep/Stun/Terrorized/Recharge
 (5) Superior Will of the Controller - Accuracy/Confused/Hold/Immobilize/Sleep/Stun/Terrorized/Endurance
 (5) Superior Will of the Controller - Accuracy/Confused/Hold/Immobilize/Sleep/Stun/Terrorized/Endurance/Recharge

Level 1:    Transfusion    
 (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
 (9) Doctored Wounds - Heal
 (11) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
 (11) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
 (13) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2:    Strangler    
 (A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold
 (13) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge
 (15) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge
 (15) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge
 (17) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 4:    Roots    
 (A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
 (17) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize
 (19) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge
 (19) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
 (21) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge

Level 6:    Stealth    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
 (7) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
 (9) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 8:    Seeds of Confusion    
 (A) Coercive Persuasion  - Contagious Confusion
 (21) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused
 (33) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Recharge
 (33) Coercive Persuasion  - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge
 (33) Coercive Persuasion  - Accuracy/Recharge

Level 10:    Siphon Power    
 (A) Accuracy IO

Level 12:    Siphon Speed    
 (A) Accuracy IO

Level 14:    Hover    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
 (34) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
 (34) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
 (50) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 16:    Boxing    
 (A) Empty

Level 18:    Vines    
 (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
 (36) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
 (36) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
 (37) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
 (50) HamiO:Endoplasm Exposure

Level 20:    Speed Boost    
 (A) Endurance Modification IO

Level 22:    Tough    
 (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
 (23) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
 (23) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
 (25) Reactive Armor - Resistance
 (25) Reactive Armor - Endurance
 (27) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge

Level 24:    Weave    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
 (29) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
 (29) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 26:    Carrion Creepers    
 (A) Superior Overpowering Presence - Accuracy/Confused/Hold/Immobilized/Sleep/Stunned/Terrorized
 (42) Superior Overpowering Presence - Confused/Hold/Immobilized/Sleep/Stunned/Terrorized/RechargeTime
 (42) Superior Overpowering Presence - RechargeTime/Energy Font
 (43) Superior Overpowering Presence - Accuracy/Confused/Hold/Immobilized/Sleep/Stunned/Terrorized/Endurance/RechargeTime
 (43) Superior Overpowering Presence - Accuracy/Confused/Hold/Immobilized/Sleep/Stunned/Terrorized/Endurance

Level 28:    Hasten    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (31) Recharge Reduction IO
 (31) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 30:    Increase Density    
 (A) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure

Level 32:    Fly Trap    
 (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Endurance
 (37) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up
 (40) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage
 (40) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (40) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Recharge

Level 35:    Scorpion Shield    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
 (39) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
 (39) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 38:    Fulcrum Shift    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (39) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 41:    Transference    
 (A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
 (42) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy

Level 44:    Focused Accuracy    
 (A) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance
 (45) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff
 (45) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge
 (45) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance/Recharge
 (46) Adjusted Targeting - Endurance/Recharge

Level 47:    Summon Tarantula    
 (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
 (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
 (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets

Level 49:    Grant Invisibility    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 1:    Brawl    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Containment    
Level 1:    Prestige Power Dash    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Prestige Power Slide    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Prestige Power Quick    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Prestige Power Rush    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Prestige Power Surge    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Sprint    
 (A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth

Level 2:    Rest    
 (A) Empty

Level 4:    Ninja Run    
Level 2:    Swift    
 (A) Run Speed IO

Level 2:    Health    
 (A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
 (43) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
 (46) Miracle - +Recovery
 (46) Miracle - Heal
 (50) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

Level 2:    Hurdle    
 (A) Jumping IO

Level 2:    Stamina    
 (A) Endurance Modification IO
 (34) Endurance Modification IO
 (36) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

Level 50:    Spiritual Core Paragon    
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[sahara7]

On 9/1/2019 at 8:30 AM, omegaboost said:

I'm currently running a Plant/Kin and it's a VERY strong combo. The only downside to this build is the underwhelming single target damage.. the only way I can reliably solo GMs is with the t4 longbow lore pet.

 

Soloing +4/8 my usual attack chain is:  Creepers -> Seeds -> Roots -> FS/SP -> SB on creeper vines -> Roots spam until clear

I also have the Energy Font IO slotted into roots. They don't do a lot of base damage but they can be SB'd/Fulcrum shifted and when you regularly have 3-5 out at a time, they DO make a difference.

 

Here's the build I'm using:

 

- FS up every 15 sec, SP up every 7sec

- Perma Carrion Creepers

- Close enough to S/L cap, 34% ranged defense

- You can swap out inertial reduction for siphon speed but I don't think it's necessary with 190% global recharge

 

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Level 50 Magic Controller

 

Couldnt get it to open, u have another link?

On 9/1/2019 at 8:30 AM, omegaboost said:

 

 

[Onlyasandwich]

The only possibly argument I could make against plant/kin is that its pet is ranged, and will thus benefit less reliably from fulcrum shift. Plant is strong enough with all its other tricks that it is not a major issue.

 

Plant/Storm would more reliably leverage the pet, and of course Storm is more amazing than ever these days.  Since it's a controller, both sets will solo reasonably well late levels. 

 

Both Storm and Kin are top tier support sets in general - just pick what you are inspired to play!