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what are you doing for incarns? 

[If you wanted new powers what would it be?]

Wand ranged set like the blackwand but dont make it one element type have it use ice/fire/wind etc. The blackwand looks awesome and could be very thematic as a powerset.

[Human form WS advice needed]

Thanks all for the feedback!

[Human form WS advice needed]

1 hour ago, The Trouble said:

A Scrapper is designed to be a better damage dealer.

Warshades were designed to fit whatever gap the gameplay threw at them, but at about 75% the effectiveness of the archetypes designed for those roles.

 

The most extreme builds push classes beyond their design. That’s generally really challenging to do. Now you’re going even further into the fringe by choosing a strictly human Warshade, which is a hardmode within a hardmode in my opinion. What you’re looking for is viable, but only with an extreme familiarity with your powers, enemy types, and situations.

 

I suggest moving to an alternate build that’s tri-form for now. Don’t respec, just switch. Check out the Mfing Warshade guide to learn how to roll through enemies like an ever-shifting black hole of fiery death.

 

Once you’ve done the deep-dive into what Warshades are capable of overall, go respec your human-only build to see how far you can push your limits. Because only then would you know what tools you’ll need to emulate that Black Deathfire as a human.

 

Don't give up on this character!

Yeah leaning more towards just trying a tri-form build out now. Is there a build for it thats cheap so someone can test it out and not need to spend billions to make it viable?

[Human form WS advice needed]

1 hour ago, Doomrider said:

If you've already leveled it from 1-50, are acquiring Incarnates now, and are still enjoying it then you may be the exception lol.
If you are the kind of player who is willing to use any/all tools at your disposal, whether they are contained within that's classes kit or not, to make the build work then 

you can certainly make Human Form WS work. 
That being said, Widows are a good class. They share some similarities to Warshade. They've both Hybrid dmg/control classes with a mix ranged, melee and control powers but Widow has some Leadership +def buffs built it to help your team. Warshade is Resist based with no mez/cc protection where as Widows are defense based but have mez/cc protection.

If you want to make Human Warshade work, we can make it work. Will other things be better? Yes. But same is true for many things.

I guess it depends on what your goals are. Are you casually playing? More solo oriented, or doing a lot of teaming/pugging? Do you care at all about playing Hard Mode content?




 

Wasnt sure of my goals but i was hoping it could do basically all of what you listed. Maybe not great as some but some good enough to be viable but seems like ill just have a hard time especially with AVs. I could probably enjoy Tri-form if it truly is much better I would just need someone too sit down with me and explain how it works. I wanted human form because the esthetics were pleasing to the eye for me and seemed more straight forward. 

[Human form WS advice needed]

24 minutes ago, Doomrider said:

Imma sort you out real quick.
Just don't. 
I knew THB pretty well so I'm familiar with that build. He and I worked on many builds together and this one was very good at the time, but much has changed since then. 
Human Warshade is not a tank. It's a Hybrid class. It has moderate CC abilities, decent aoe damage, nukes and can cap it's own damage resists when surrounded by enemies but it's Single Target damage is weak.
It has no protection from enemy crowd control abilties which frustrates a lot of newer players, and requires a good amount of recharge bonuses before it comes into it's own and even then, the learning curve is steep.

As a new player, with limited funds especially, save your influence.
Human Warshade is a build with a lot of holes that need to be filled with IO's and Incarnates and can be a frustrating experience to learn while leveling. So I can't recommend it.
Tri-forms Warshades are a different story and typically have a much better time leveling. But even then they require binds/macros to make the most of thus requiring extra steps to set-up.

If you're interested in learning the class, I would suggest leveling up as a Tri-form and get familiar with the powers. If you reach 50 and still enjoying it, then maybe think about investing but it may be better to invest in something else first and circle back to Khelds later.






 

Damn was really hoping I could go for it. This character has been the one I have grown attached too and seem to want to keep playing nothing else has really stuck with me. I love the look of the skills and fantasy of the class along with its rarity. I knew the post was old and figured it would be outclassed nowadays but a tiny bit of me was really hoping it could be well rounded and workout. Feeling a little defeated now...How are blood widows? I seen some people say they are good or would i just be in the same situation as with the WS?  PS. I have put about 100mill into the class already and almost have maxed Alpha so i am able to have perma eclipse currently im also technically a "new" player but i learn builds and rotations pretty fast. Does that change anything or is human WS just not in a good place and a scrapper or something could do what it does just way better?

[Human form WS advice needed]

Ok so i found this build https://web.archive.org/web/20120911114020/http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=296404 which made me want to give WS a try i never played any of the special ATs before. Im also a semi new player so I dont really know the big dogs builds besides the obvious spines/fire scrapper type builds im also not really established at all financially in the game so ive been spending what i get when i get it to try this build out but im now at the purple enhancements purchase stage and really just want to see peoples opinions on this guys build before i invest further. What exactly can this build do is it just a tank primarily that has ranged skills? Can it even match most tanks dmg? He doesnt seem to have much damage buff options that he chooses from the incarnate system. What if any could i change since this may be a outdated human form WS build. I just dont want to feel like im wasting my time but even if i am i seem to still be enjoying the class while i do i was just hoping to make this class work. Really looking for some vet WS players who have done some build testing to give some advice here. Thanks!