Need fire/spines build.

[yomamafrtho]

Simple enough. Can't find a fire/spines build anywhere. Also don't know how to do mids or anything like that. Influence wouldn't be a problem.

[Warshades]

Are you wanting a farm build? If so, doing a brute would be a better option as with fury, they deal higher damage and clear faster. If you're looking for a general build, others may be able to chip in more as I've never tried to build or use fire armor for all around content.

[Maelwys]

9 hours ago, yomamafrtho said:

Simple enough. Can't find a fire/spines build anywhere. Also don't know how to do mids or anything like that. Influence wouldn't be a problem.

As has been pointed out above, we need more information on what you actually want to do with this toon.

"Spines + Fiery Aura" is one of the classic older "AFK" farming combinations (where you zone into a specific mission map in Architect Entertainment and leave your toon parked there with a particular power to Autofire - in this case, typically "Burn" - whilst you go off and do other things... then come back later to find the map clear of enemies and a fat pile of XP and loot).

So the first thing many players will assume here is that you want this character to either exclusively or primarily be able to AFK-farm on AE missions.

However perhaps instead you just want a general PVE build? Solo? Teamed? Something that can handle Incarnate content? Or "4 Star Hard Mode" content?

If you are looking for a farming toon... @Warshades is correct in that Brutes were at one time the most popular flavour of the Spines+FA combo. Back then Tankers had yet to receive their "Gauntlet" revamp (they've since completely eclipsed the other melee ATs in terms of how quickly they can defeat large numbers of foes) and most Brutes could be built to comfortably cope with having up to 17 enemies attacking them simultaneously (aggro mechanics have since been altered; and now enemies over the aggro limit will continue to hurl attacks at you if you're the only available target within their range... and this has led to considerably higher levels of incoming damage than before - more than most Brutes can survive if someone isn't behind the wheel to occasionally click on a healing ability). Whilst it is still technically possible to build a Spines/FA Brute that can AFK-farm; throwing the same level of investment into a Radiation Melee Tanker will get you something that does it faster and safer.


 - [EDIT] -
IceSphere's dropbox currently has two FA/Spines Tanker builds listed in it; if you just want something to glance at. Looking at the damage mitigation numbers it appears both of them are intended as farming toons rather than for more general PVE... although neither of them meets the currently required regeneration rate threshold to survive AFK-farming and both of them have chosen Epic Powers that are better suited for "Active" Farming.
Build #1 - labelled "Cheap Farmer" with lots of inexpensive + common IOs used.

Build #2 - unlabelled; but has the more expensive Winters + Purples + considerably more damage proccage going on.

I don't have a "generic PVE" FA/Spines Tanker build to hand; but here's a Brute variant that's softcapped to melee etc: zBrute - Spines - Fiery Aura (Fly).mbd

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Maelwys

[yomamafrtho]

4 hours ago, Warshades said:

Are you wanting a farm build? If so, doing a brute would be a better option as with fury, they deal higher damage and clear faster. If you're looking for a general build, others may be able to chip in more as I've never tried to build or use fire armor for all around content.

Yes for farming. So I have a rad/fire brute at the moment that is fully fitted out. I have a 50 fire/spines tanker but he has no enhancments and I don't know what powers I should take and what sets to slot in those powers. I also have a fire/kin troller that I use to buff my brute in farms that is also fully slotted. Just wanna have a tanker that can run into the middle of the group to increase the number of enemies that pile into the group

[Maelwys]

22 minutes ago, yomamafrtho said:

Yes for farming. So I have a rad/fire brute at the moment that is fully fitted out. I have a 50 fire/spines tanker but he has no enhancments and I don't know what powers I should take and what sets to slot in those powers. I also have a fire/kin troller that I use to buff my brute in farms that is also fully slotted. Just wanna have a tanker that can run into the middle of the group to increase the number of enemies that pile into the group

ACTIVE or AFK Farming? 

(e.g. are you intending to actually be behind the keyboard the entire time or not)

This makes a major difference to the build.
AFK farmers will take two damage auras and proc out one big AoE, then the rest of their build is devoted to passive damage/recharge/survivability bonuses.
Active farmers don't care so much about damage auras or passive bonuses, but will take as many big AoEs as they can get their hands on and procbomb every single one of them.

[EDIT] - rereading your post... do you mean your 50 fire/spines tanker is on a 3rd account + so you're intending to triple-box a rad/fire brute, a fire/kin troller and a fire/spines tanker at the same time to farm on the same map all together? (Whilst that's a perfectly valid way to play, just be aware that the return-per-hour will be substantially slower than if you threw the Brute and the Tank into different maps and left them to AFK-Farm at +4/x8 whilst your 'troller actively solos at +1/x8 or just spams the Freaklympics arc)
 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Maelwys

[yomamafrtho]

1 hour ago, Maelwys said:

ACTIVE or AFK Farming? 

(e.g. are you intending to actually be behind the keyboard the entire time or not)

This makes a major difference to the build.
AFK farmers will take two damage auras and proc out one big AoE, then the rest of their build is devoted to passive damage/recharge/survivability bonuses.
Active farmers don't care so much about damage auras or passive bonuses, but will take as many big AoEs as they can get their hands on and procbomb every single one of them.

[EDIT] - rereading your post... do you mean your 50 fire/spines tanker is on a 3rd account + so you're intending to triple-box a rad/fire brute, a fire/kin troller and a fire/spines tanker at the same time to farm on the same map all together? (Whilst that's a perfectly valid way to play, just be aware that the return-per-hour will be substantially slower than if you threw the Brute and the Tank into different maps and left them to AFK-Farm at +4/x8 whilst your 'troller actively solos at +1/x8 or just spams the Freaklympics arc)
 

I'll be honest. I didn't know afk Farming was a thing. If you're saying that running 2 afk farms would be a better return then I suppose I would take an afk farm build. I won't lie. It's definitely stressful switching between 2 screens to keep kinetic buffs up and do damage on the Brute lmao

[Maelwys]

22 minutes ago, yomamafrtho said:

I'll be honest. I didn't know afk Farming was a thing. If you're saying that running 2 afk farms would be a better return then I suppose I would take an afk farm build. I won't lie. It's definitely stressful switching between 2 screens to keep kinetic buffs up and do damage on the Brute lmao

Oh it's 100% a thing.

If you do a keyword search in AE for "FIRE FARM AFK" on either the Live or Test server you'll find relevant missions with various guideline completion times (the "10 minute" ones are the Asteroid maps that give the best bang-for-your-buck; but there are longer "40 minute" versions that you can choose instead which involve following a NPC helper around a cave map).

I'd recommend checking the below linked thread for more detail and plenty of example builds (including Spines + FA)

Personally I've got several toons that can farm decently, although I don't really like chasing the "meta" builds. I tend to make a bit of a game out of it and pick setups that are (i) useful in both regular PVE and Farming; and (ii) not "meta" but still effective... such as an AFK-farming (Non-Granite) Stone Armor Brute; a Bot/Kin Mastermind + "Crabbermind" VEAT dual-box pairing, a Bio/Staff Tanker and even a EM/Rad Scrapper.

As long as you've some decent AoEs and a reasonable level of survivability; influence + drops tend to flow in pretty quickly no matter what type(s) of toon you bring.

[yomamafrtho]

35 minutes ago, Maelwys said:

Oh it's 100% a thing.

If you do a keyword search in AE for "FIRE FARM AFK" on either the Live or Test server you'll find relevant missions with various guideline completion times (the "10 minute" ones are the Asteroid maps that give the best bang-for-your-buck; but there are longer "40 minute" versions that you can choose instead which involve following a NPC helper around a cave map).

I'd recommend checking the below linked thread for more detail and plenty of example builds (including Spines + FA)

Personally I've got several toons that can farm decently, although I don't really like chasing the "meta" builds. I tend to make a bit of a game out of it and pick setups that are (i) useful in both regular PVE and Farming; and (ii) not "meta" but still effective... such as an AFK-farming (Non-Granite) Stone Armor Brute; a Bot/Kin Mastermind + "Crabbermind" VEAT dual-box pairing, a Bio/Staff Tanker and even a EM/Rad Scrapper.

As long as you've some decent AoEs and a reasonable level of survivability; influence + drops tend to flow in pretty quickly no matter what type(s) of toon you bring.

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