Scutt
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6 minutes ago, Panache said:
But filtering out words that are part of people's identity because they *might* be misused is a backwards policy
You put that far better than I could.
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22 minutes ago, GM Crumpet said:
To expand on the filter issue. As a PG13 game it's assumed that people of that age and above are kind of used to a lot of the words in the filter and have been exposed to them at some point. People younger than that perhaps not. This is one of those games that really does appeal to a younger demographic and youngsters either want to play (which is wrong and we don't allow it and shhhh don't tell dad) or watch while their parents play. For parents it's an option they can turn on as certain words and concepts may arise that they don't want to have to explain to their little ones just yet. I still squirm in embarrassment on behalf of my parents for the times I asked them what certain words meant when I heard them 🙂
I get all that, but this strays a bit from how "queer", in this context, is seen as a bad or "issue" word. Heck - LGBTQ? In an age where some folk are pushing to ban books, due to containing queer themes, you can see where it might just propagate it being "bad". This is something I am just going to have to let go of and it will not diminish my experience in the game and with the community. I guess it's just leaving me a bit disappointed in the state of things.
I am fully aware of this being a safe space - who am I to threaten anyone's cozy place in it? *grumble grumble*
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1 minute ago, UltraAlt said:
This gaming community is much more accepting of practically anything when compared to many gaming communities (and real life communities when it comes down to reality).
And this is why I am so invested in it and will always come back.
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3 hours ago, GM Crumpet said:
As a gay man of the older generation queer was always used as a slur and an insult so it still sits uncomfortably when I see it even when it's not used in a negative way. Words evolve and things that were bad once are now acceptable, and words that were acceptable are now bad. And that's a me problem, not the problem of those people who took a negative word and made it a positive.
A word that I've used all my life is gypsy. My family is of gypsy stock and still refers to the older generation with that term. My grandmother was the last to really identify as a gypsy and she told me several times she was a gypsy and proud of it, and to be proud of my heritage and never be ashamed of it. If you tried calling her anything else she would get really angry. She wasn't romani, she wasn't a traveller, she wasn't any of a dozen names people used, she was a gypsy. She had lost family members to the gas chambers and celebrated and mourned them.
Now of course it's a racial slur, never mind that the people of that heritage outside the US actively use the word and are fiercely proud of it. I'm proud of it. I know my heritage and loved my grandmother with all my heart. The struggles she went through and the stories she told are treasures beyond price.
But back to the topic at hand, that's why we have a profanity filter. For those who aren't offended by words it can be turned off. For those who find it offensive or have smaller children who love to watch it keeps the naughty words a parent doesn't want to have to explain hidden.
Thanks for sharing that. I was not expecting this level of response, but have been greatly appreciating the responses and thoughts. It has given me some fresh perspectives, which I always appreciate.
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1 hour ago, UltraAlt said:
I'm probably a good bit older than you, but "queer" was used as an insult to people and some used it as profanity in the past. Using the word to embrace one's sexuallity wasn't "a thing".
Times change, but simply because someone has decided to embrace a word that was used against people in a derogatory manner does not mean that it still isn't being used by others in a derogatory manner.
If you want to turn the profanity filter off, then feel free to do so.
I want you to be free and I hope you enjoy your life, but this borders on being political.
I am in my mid 50s, and as I said an earlier post, I am fully aware of how the word was used in a deeply derogatory manner in the past.
It's not a matter of whether or not I am seeing profanic words, it was just that I found it a little troubling that this word in particular was considered a bad one, so to speak. I have been enjoying the conversation so that this spurred.
And, to be honest, I can't remember the last time I've seen the word queer used in a derogatory manner. And I do mean for years. Of course this is my own personal experience
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49 minutes ago, honoroit said:
something I'll remember as realization of how we shape things, particularly as minds are forming, came at me amusingly, and unexpectedly in a grocery store.
probably c.a. 2012.
parent mother is by the checkout. snall child, maybe 6-8, reaches for end isle candy, places it on the checkout roller.
mother smacks child's hand, not over hard, and exclaims: 'stop picking stuff up - thats so communist' in a vert scolding tone
so, attempting to get candy had nothing to do for the chosen word - and theres the focus - it was a substitution for 'bad' / 'wrong' / 'punishable'.
but the mother did not say the words bad/wrong/punishable.
denial of the item, a smacks pain and jolt, and a link is established on tge impressionable.
iver time, and not long, that child is going to associate a word with 'bad'.
and so the mother tries to shape behavior of her child.
we'ce spent the better part of our lives with 'queer' this, or 'thats so fag gay that'.
its never been nice.
and oft the vocal are indeed obsessed, with male genetalia.
I'll leave the reader to fathom why
- some of us have had to spend mich of our lives trying to understand how to avoid being left-handed. and oh, is it tiring. its designed to be. encouraging of self-elimination, an effective social neutering- just harm, at the end.
profanity and its travel - it has veen a long and looped road.
if i have learned anything, weathered - itd be that we value and stand for kindness and virtue - and this as noble.
we talk of, and seek grace, and its emulable acts, but are among these sentiment in antithesis - more often than not.
so filter all that away 😀
So, so very well put
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8 hours ago, Turric said:
To echo Rudra, many people born before 1990 would recognize the word as offensive. I was born in the 1970s and for me it was a part of my lexicon for many years, especially when I was younger. It has taken some effort to edit it from usage. That, and calling people or things "retarded". I think I was in my 30s before I really recognized how offensive some of my words were.
<---- Thoughtless youth!
This is something I have struggled with myself. I am a gay man but I have never liked the feel of "gay" for me, as I tend to not check all of those boxes and I never liked being pigeonholed into a type of life style. I held back it's usage, for myself, until around the early 2000s, as I was seeing it more widely used - even by those who were previously, and understandably, offended. I have had MANY conversations with older gay men about this, and most of the realize that language evolves, but it can still sting - which I fully respect. But this is the one thing/word I will not back down on as it is how I choose to identify. And no, I would never take offense to anyone who prefers to call me gay - as that would be a bit silly.
I have edited out MANY words and phrases throughout my years and try to let others know when meanings, and social acceptability changes (esp with my mom 😛 )
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1 hour ago, honoroit said:
ugh, gross. if its not one thing its another with some who'll worm to find a way to make perjorative.
it doesnt matter if it was ok to say darky because it was ill lit. that has connotations.
its in a lot of language. sinister - latin, 'on the left' was associated with left handedness.
why? because it wasn't easy to teach more than one way of hand writing, and tools typically presumed right handedness.
so it became an association with evil.
you can see how that is silly, but also shaping of society.
stop bandying about words you know hurt people - or in this case, complaining theyre filtered.
unless you're straight out of the 18th centurty - you can term a phrase more PC than 'pushing the queer'.
How queer...
I get what you are saying, and my offense was the barest of minimum. I just hope one could see that w word, that some people being identified as as being profane, could be a bit off putting. I am not looking to change the acceptable lexicon, was just want thoughts, which i have gotten.
I fully realize that the word queer can offend some people, as I stated in an earlier response, but that can be said of many words. It's one that I embrace and I would hope that, given more time, it's offensive nature will be lessened (but not forgotten)
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17 minutes ago, biostem said:
A lot of words can be construed as acceptable or offensive, depending upon who is using the word, how they are using the word, and to whom they are directing it. The beautiful thing is that you can disable the profanity filter and not have to worry about it one bit. Better to err on side of caution and leave it in there, since anyone likely to want to discuss their sexuality in a respectful and mature way would know how to disable the filter, and should anyone want to supervise a younger player, for whom they do not want to see sexuality discussed in-game, they can leave the filter on.
Wise words
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3 hours ago, Rudra said:
Not taking a stance on this, just giving likely explanation. The word queer has often been used less to describe someone and more to insult someone until fairly recently. Probably why it is bleeped out. Though I am rather surprised it is bleeped out. It isn't itself any form of profanity that I am aware of.
I do have a number of older gay male friends that still take offense to queer - understandably. I embrace it as my identity, preferring it over "gay"
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Was DMing with a friend and we noticed that the word "queer" is getting bleeped. To be sure, I tested the usual cussing suspects - bleeps the lot of them. I do find labeling "queer" a profane word a bit troubling. Maybe this is newish? Maybe it always has been and no one noticed/cared/brought it up? I myself am queer, and I took a mere smattering of offense at it. Would like to get your thoughts on this. Love, Scutt
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They wanted it as such
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1 hour ago, biostem said:
Oh no doubt, but I was more referring to if it was a physical item sold in a store, (though in the case of the piece you did, the Dwarf & Nova are just images, and not in the bubble with the actual figure).
After I sent it off, I thought about how I should have put the phrase "other figures sold separately"
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Just now, biostem said:
I'd imagine that a Kheldian figure would cost more for the Dwarf & Nova figures. 😉
To be honest it did take more time than usual. Doing the cutouts while keeping some of that aura did take a bit of work.
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Hit me up if you'd like your own action figure
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7 minutes ago, biostem said:
Ms Deadly holding the slice of watermelon so nonchalantly is hilarious! Very well done!
Thanks. It's an emote she uses frequently
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Each of these were a blast to make. Want one of your own? Hit me up!
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On 5/10/2023 at 8:42 PM, biostem said:
What's that large weapon on the left? Is that an in-game model?
No I cheated and used a "real world" gun. Needed something beefy!
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37 minutes ago, Techwright said:
My rose gardens will be...magnificent!
(Good work on the "action figure" by the way.)
You are too kind (and replete with cow poop)
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2 hours ago, Techwright said:
Rats! I was hoping for the burro. 😉
No burro for you. But you do get a consolation prize of a lifetime supply manure! Yay you!
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1 minute ago, Techwright said:
It's okay. What's behind curtain #2?
😁
Existential dread
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6 minutes ago, Force Redux said:
As a Gen Xer I really appreciate this one lol, well done!
An X'r myself. Thanks!
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I was quite honored to be able create this for such an Excel legend.
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The profanity filter
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That really speaks to me, like I had initially presumed, that this was an original filter list left over from OG days. Nobody had really considered or thought about it until this curmudgeon here noticed it and decided to point it out.
I was so not intending for this to blow up as such.