Whirlpool Procs

[High_Beam]

So after all of these years I still struggle to grasp the whole pseudo pets blah blah blah some procs proc and some dont.  That isnt the issue here, just a straight up yes or no question.

 

I have damage procs slotted in Whirlpool (4 - Positron, Mistral, Bombard and Javelin) I have not seen one hit.  AT doesn't matter here.  Yes or no, is this expected and should I strip and slot elsewhere.

[Maelwys]

Procs should work in Whirlpool.
Although I'd not expect them to kick in hugely regularly.
With a 25ft Radius, each 3.5PPM proc ought to have 15.3% chance of kicking in once every 10 seconds per enemy hit.

Have you stuck a decent amount of accuracy in the power itself; and enabled Pet Damage Inflicted in your combat tab?

[Maelwys]

A few quick tests:












It's also worth pointing out what happens with insufficient accuracy slotting; via swapping those Acc/Dam HOs for some Common +Rech IOs:
(Note the +ToHit buff from Targeting Drone gets copied to the pseudopet and affects the initial hit check, then it drops off and subsequent hit checks use base accuracy)





As you'll notice, procs do technically work in Whirlpool, but they've a rubbish activation chance. Because the power itself doesn't inflict any damage or debuff upon activation (it just summons a pseudopet) you don't get a heightened chance of proc activation immediately upon casting... instead the pseudopet just gets one regular proc activation opportunity; then another proc activation opportunity after 10 seconds have elapsed. 

IMO if you've nowhere else to slot an Achilles' Heel and/or Annihilation "Chance for -Resistance Debuff" Proc; or you've have lots of enhancement slots going spare? Sure. But in Water Blast the likes of Steam Spray, Water Burst and Geyser are all going to have much higher proc activation chances.
 

Edited Monday at 10:52 AM by Maelwys

[High_Beam]

Thank you.  It has been vexing me mightily once I started to look at it.

[tidge]

I ended up 6-slotting Frozen Blast in Whirpool. I remember trying %procs in it... but ultimately using it for set bonuses was a better use of slots for me. If you do try to go with %procs, be sure to have Accuracy slotted in it as well.

[High_Beam]

Yeah I had 3-slotted Bombardment in there with Accuracy (ACC/END/RECH and ACC/DAM/RECH) focus and the Proc plus the other 3 damage procs.  I am slip sliding things around a bit with Geyser, Whitecap and Brine.  I am gonna swap the three slots of Annihilation which includes the -Res Proc out of Whitecap and into Whirlpool then put the three-slot Bombardment from Whirlpool in Whitecap with the rest of the damage procs in there.  An Achilles -Res also in one of the Whirlpool Slots.  I will leave the Mistral proc there for now while I realign a slot to Brine adding the Essence damage proc.  Some other minor tweaks unrelated to Whirlpool.  Thanks all for the good feedback.