Savage Melee/Rad Scrapper build critique.

[Wolfboy1]

I've been using this build here for my SAV/Rad scrapper and he's currently at lvl 31 but...something about it makes me wonder if this is a good use of slots.  Especially in Beta Decay.  Can the forumites chime in on this build and let me know if I should be tweaking this a bit more or is it good as is?

 

Thanks!

 

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[Amp Up]

I would do sm/rad brute or sm/psi. Probably not what you want to hear 😞 

[Wolfboy1]

Yeah, not going to roll a brute.  Invested a bit too much into this one to just scrap(hah) him.

[Maelwys]

15 hours ago, Wolfboy1 said:

I've been using this build here for my SAV/Rad scrapper and he's currently at lvl 31 but...something about it makes me wonder if this is a good use of slots.  Especially in Beta Decay.  Can the forumites chime in on this build and let me know if I should be tweaking this a bit more or is it good as is?

It's DEFINITELY NOT "good" as-is I'm afraid.


Don't use full sets in either of these. You want them up as often as possible and Procced; so Frankenslot them.


Beta Decay does not need Taunt Duration. It wants -ToHit; and if you've nowhere better to put it then also an Achilles Heel -res proc.


The Theft of Essence +End proc can be useful here; but the rest of the set is doing very little for you.
Radiation Therapy has seen multiple tweaks recently and there are apparently more to come SOON(tm) but currently this is it optimised:

There are many other inefficiencies in that build; notably no Panacea Proc anywhere and a lack of FF Procs in Vicious Slash. Super Jump is slotted with a Springfoot End/Jump instead of a Winter's Gift: Slow Resistance; and Stamina has neither a Power Transfer nor a Performance Shifter Proc. Also Spring Attack is apparently just being used as a Set Bonus Mule and there are better Epic Pool choices than just picking up Energy Mastery for Physical Perfection (containing Synapse's Shock: Runspeed...??)

But by far the worst, IMO is this:


PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT. 

The Scrapper ATO2 proc is a rather complex beast; but putting it into one of your fastest-base-recharge attacks and then ED-capping that attack's recharge aspect?!?
This Proc provides by far the largest damage increase a Scrapper can get; so you do NOT want to treat it as a mere +10% Global Recharge set bonus.
Stick it into either Vicious Slash or Rending Flurry and then don't slot any additional local recharge aspect into the attack at all.

Finally: take Hasten. Rad Armor and Savage Melee both have very good AoE attacks (Ground Zero and Savage Leap) that greatly benefit from global recharge.
And it's handy for Particle Shielding too (which ideally should be ED capped for both Healing and Recharge!) 

To be fair; the build is hitting the 75% cap to S/L and Toxic damage resistance. But unfortunately that's about the only silver lining I can locate. Whoever put it together seems to have fallen into the common trap of believing that "six slotting full IO sets is always best" - whenever in most cases you instead want to focus on a few specific set bonuses (+Recharge, +Accuracy, sometimes +Defence/+Resistance/+MaxHP) and ED-cap specific aspects of your powers; then start placing procs. And on Scrappers; proper ATO2 proc placement is a biggie.

[Thraxen]

My main is sav/inv. I like having savage leap proc’d out. But I much prefer it being fully slotted so I can use it much more often. It’s not a baby nuke anymore but it still hits hard. And it’s up more often to use it then the other aoe after the crit chance proc fires. 
 

I put the ato proc in hemorrhage.  It isn’t the best power in the game by any means but seems to proc more there than in any other power I’ve found. The giant dot comes in handy sometimes. Killing a fake nem after they bubble. Or a the carnie fuckers that phase out. It fits my vampire theme I was going for too I guess. 

[Wolfboy1]

17 hours ago, Maelwys said:

It's DEFINITELY NOT "good" as-is I'm afraid.

 

 

Ahh, yep I felt there was something off with all of it.  Thanks for taking the time to confirm it for me. It just felt off and as I said I felt it was doing something wrong.  Good thing it wasn't just me.  I never have figured out how to make a build but I HAVE learned a bit to see when something isn't clicking and isn't making sense.

 

Now to look for a build that also is more in line with your suggestions @Maelwys.  Thanks again! 🙂

[Wolfboy1]

19 hours ago, Maelwys said:

Beta Decay does not need Taunt Duration. It wants -ToHit; and if you've nowhere better to put it then also an Achilles Heel -res proc.

 

 

Oh man thanks for pointing that out...I was "Shouldn't this thing have something to help out with the -Def or something?" I knew I wasn't going crazy...well more so then normal I guess.  Also yeah, I did put in the -res proc in my build on this already.

 

So..in an effort to rework the trainwreck and get it to a much better state...I happened across this one that looks like it had all the things you suggested.  EXCEPT for beta decay.  It's one slotted with the -res proc so there is that but...I really think it should have more in there and your -to hit comment really was poking me in the back of my mind.  What would you suggest?  

I think most of the core powersets are great...its the Epic PP's that I wonder if something could be done with?

 

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Edited 4 hours ago by Wolfboy1

[Maelwys]

5 hours ago, Wolfboy1 said:

So..in an effort to rework the trainwreck and get it to a much better state...I happened across this one that looks like it had all the things you suggested.  EXCEPT for beta decay.  It's one slotted with the -res proc so there is that but...I really think it should have more in there and your -to hit comment really was poking me in the back of my mind.  What would you suggest?  

I think most of the core powersets are great...its the Epic PP's that I wonder if something could be done with?

 

That one indeed looks a lot better.

Beta Decay is a base -5.625% ToHit debuff. You can get it up to ~9-10% via slotting but Rad Armor doesn't get any other sources of -ToHit Debuff or +Defense Buff to stack with it; so it's one of the more common places to save enhancement slots.

I'd still recommending tweaking the slotting in Radiation Therapy though - as it looks like the build you posted predates the i28p2 changes.