Thanx for the replies, the force feedback proc is what was/is confusing me. I slotted it and noticed it was consistent enough to keep it. But I heard procs dont work in these 2 powers.
Since it's damage procs don't work but Force Feedback does I wonder if Overwhelming Force knockdown proc would? Overwhelming set bonuses are good for my build to.
Oh and Ragnarok has a knockdown proc too,hmm