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12 minutes ago, Leogunner said:
Well there's always more than one side to a story. You pointed to a mentality you felt oppressive or obnoxious or [insert whatever purpose you decided to highlight the example] but on the reverse, have you reflected on yourself?
While I don't actually make posts about it because "fuck it, you do you", I read your whole post (begrudgingly, mind you. I could tell by roughly half way through, the story was meant to frame your side in a sympathetic manner to make the log more egregious). Again, I say the person you responded to has some points. But again, what did you do? You're trying to frame advice in a manner that is some sort of "community wide" mentality that has dome something to the game.
Again, have you reflected on yourself? You like to make characters. You like to fund their builds. Those builds are very expensive. Have you thought about cheaper builds? Easier builds? Or *gasp* sub-optimal builds? You don't need soft-capped defense and perma-hasten to do well. If you're running TFs, your build is going to get chopped by varying level caps. Even min/maxed, the game isn't even that hard for an expensive build to be necessary...but you feel gated by the game or community or some kind of amorphous mentality and thus you've neglected the reason to play the game at all.
Like you mentioned playing the market...then complaining how long you had to do it!? I know there are people that enjoy flubbing with the markets in games...if it's not something you want to do, then don't.
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Well, since we are talking specifically about my mentality, I did in fact reflect on it.
I dislike quoting myself, but seeing it has been lost amidst several pages of discussion, I will do it just to illustrate the point.
I noted that I reflected on my interaction with the player here:/2019 at 11:54 PM, Insomm said:A couple of you mentioned how I basically fed into it, or how I was in the wrong much like the other player.
I agree, 100%.
I am not proud of it, and I didn't post it here to do that.
I also did not post it here to shame this person, hence I censored the chat as much as I could.
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Was I wrong in the way I interacted with him/her? Yes, I was.
At several points this could have turned into a conversation that was mutually beneficial.
However, I was frustrated.
This wasn't the first message like this, and I have already been struggling to pick up the game.
[...]And I noted that I reflected on my choices of how to play the game here:
On 9/24/2019 at 1:09 AM, Insomm said:This I believe is a big part of the issue/mistake I have committed when it comes to my personal enjoyment.
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However, the more important point to why I decided to bring all of this up in the first place (although my point was mildly lost through frustration and bias):12 minutes ago, Leogunner said:tl;dr: If you put a mirror up to yourself, you are actually just as guilty of harboring certain "mentalities" that have negatively altered the game as the person you're framing in those /tells...I have no idea why you don't see it too.
Although my mentality was also flawed, it did not initially impact anyone else playing the game other than myself.
This player (and others), chose to actively seek someone who had been playing the game to voice their mentality.
This is where my issue came in.
You could say that by posting my (obviously biased) version of events in here I have done the same as they have.
I would personally disagree, as this is a public forum, and not anyone's inbox. But that too is up for debate.-
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48 minutes ago, Prototech said:
You're a bit of a hippie but I appreciate you. I don't disagree as much as you may think.
🤣 I believe it partly comes from having left my home country at a very young age. I went through my schooling and work alongside people from several different continents. Not to mention the plethora of different cultural backgrounds and opinions.
Sooner or later, you learn that there are certain things about people that you might never fully understand, and you just have to accept them.
That said, often times I am blinded by frustration, but I'll go on a limb and say that is not a flaw exclusive to me. 😛
1 hour ago, Leogunner said:Reading the OP, I have no sympathy.
Granted the guy you chatted with may not have been the nicest but you just lable them a "bad apple" and then dismiss his points? That's fine but it's exactly why I have no sympathy for this story and gives me a chuckle reading all the replies rushing in support.
Maybe I'm insane but I don't think you need a COMPLETED farming build to farm with it. Difficulty sliders exist...
I am extremely glad that you, and some others, have decided to voice an opposing opinion when it comes to this.
Like I said earlier, I was incredibly frustrated, and the OP was a rant.
The goal of the post was never to become a "you have my sympathies" or a social opinion discussion post in the first place.
Although I appreciate all of those who are passionate and have taken it into those directions, the idea was to discuss a mentality about something that is part of the game.
At no point did I mean to diminish or insult anyone, specially not the one player from that interaction.
I meant to bring up something I saw as an issue in a mentality that is not unique to one person in this community.
That mentality is what I wanted to address and, to a certain extent, pull apart.
27 minutes ago, TheOtherTed said:Speaking of that, and speaking of personal history/experience, I'll throw it out there that the mentality of the person you encountered (and perhaps other, similar, people) does have some history behind it. You said in your initial post that you didn't have a chance to play back in the day, so there's no reason I or anyone else could expect you to know the history. I'll give a quick recap here (as I understand it); maybe it will help see where "the other guy" was coming from.
All of it makes a lot more sense with this.
Since that interaction I have heard slightly different tellings of these events from the live servers, and little by little I can relate it a little more to my opinion about things in other games that I play/played.
At the end of the day, the goal is to have more people think like you:27 minutes ago, TheOtherTed said:More generally speaking, it took me a long time to realize how diverse individual histories and points-of-view could be - but when I finally started to "get it," it changed my outlook on a lot of interactions. Nowadays, if I hear someone say something that's a bit "off," my first reaction is usually not to call the speaker a jarkarse or moron or other bad word (usually), but to tilt my head and say "Why do you say that?"
Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean this in anyone's everyday lives (although that would be great), but when it comes to things like dislikes of the AE or whatever other concept in a different game.
Try and keep this related to the game.-
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24 minutes ago, Prototech said:
You're overthinking it and giving them too much credit. We can all try to do better and be more considerate, that's a given. What we have here is often incredibly rude and entitled people pretending to be victims so they can get away with nonsense must of us wouldn't ever engage in.
You're also wrong about what makes someone thick skinned. It's precisely because I HAVE gone through a lot that I'm thick skinned. The internet is full of people who could not survive the harshness of the real world so they demand special consideration online. I sympathize and try to be more considerate as a default, but it doesn't mean we need to let them play the bully in turn for some kind of 'balance'.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you have not been through your own things, But going through one situation doesn't "thicken" your skin for all situations.
Although I don't agree with everything PaxArcana has said, this one line speaks very truly against many of the points that have been made about people getting offended:On 9/23/2019 at 12:25 AM, PaxArcana said:OTOH, just as everyone has their kryptonite ... everyone has their hotbutton issue they just can't walk away from. Some of us have more than one.
Just because someone gets affected by something you do not (or the other way around), doesn't make them any "weaker" or "stronger."
Much less mean that they cannot survive "the real world." In fact, all of those people do survive the real world.
It just turns out the things that bother these people are not the same things that might bother you.
In fact, the thing that bothers you might be people getting bothered!
I don't know you, but it could very well be.
Everyone has been through their own things, and in the internet we never know what those things were.
While we can voice our opinions, that is all they are. Opinions. Specific to our situation, whereas we are talking with people from all sorts of different cultures and backgrounds.
No one will be objectively right or wrong, specially given the fact we have no idea where their ideals come from in the first place.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you or I think, or anyone else for that matter;
Arguing social constructs in the internet is a moot point, and we will never come to a universal agreement on this.
Although this has spiraled into a large social opinion discussion, that was not the point of the post.
The point was to talk about a mentality when it comes to certain aspects of the game.
That is not to say we can't talk about opinions and social constructs, but expecting a mutual understanding and a good outcome from this on the internet is just silly.-
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On 9/25/2019 at 7:41 PM, DSorrow said:
While I understand sometimes small things compound in the short term and cause everything to be seemingly annoying
For the people that do get offended/triggered over something, this is often what it comes down to.
Someone stumbles on you on accident once, they might say they are sorry and move on, you ignore it.
A second person stumbles on you on accident, and say they are sorry, you ignore it.
By the tenth time in a day, it might become too much to ignore.
Even though each and every person apologized (assuming they did), that doesn't change the fact that it did in fact happen in the first place.
This stumble vs kick analogy is a little bit hard to work on, but I think it still can make a point.
To everyone who thinks they are thick skinned:
Think back on situations on your life and wonder if there was never a situation where you wound up belittling someone due to frustration with something else.
A salesman, a waiter, someone younger than you, someone on the internet... A family member?
I guarantee at some point in your life you have.
Many of the people that get offended/triggered by something do so due to repeated interactions, not a single one.
That isn't to say this is always the case.
No matter how thick/thin skinned you are, if something happens enough times, it will eventually get to you.1 hour ago, Prototech said:There should be no requirement for a normal individual to constantly worry about thin skinned and frail people. The level of sensitivity in this thread is almost nauseating.
And there's the irony too of going after people that offend you with far stronger language and aggression than they used... It's like any perceived offense permits limitless retaliation.
While I agree someone should not have to go about their day constantly worrying about how "thin skinned/frail people" around them are feeling, people should take the time to understand that sometimes it isn't just a single action that gets to these people.
Empathy is a strong and important word. Belittling a group of people will never get you anywhere. Try instead to understand why they are in the situation they are.
It might turn out that it is indeed someone just blowing something completely out of proportion. But it might also turn out that they are just fed up, and you might have been too if you had been through what they were.
As for the retaliation thing. I think that happens too often nowadays, and I hate it. (maybe it did in the past as well, but I think I never paid attention to it)
Two wrongs will never make a right.
But then again, maybe it was just the last straw for that one person, so it is always hard to gauge.On 9/25/2019 at 5:48 PM, jubakumbi said:IMO, the endless attacks on people on the forums and in the game over peoples 'triggers' is a huge turn off to new players, when said 'triggers' are literally a normal part of the game.
This is exactly it.
When it comes to the subject of the game, rather than some complex social interaction discussion, this is what it comes down to.
If anything in the game brings you to argue/discuss/judge/belittle other players, you will drive players away.
Sometimes from you, other times from the game itself. When there is a large enough part of the community that has this similar thought process (the case of the original chat interaction), the latter is more common than the former.
6 hours ago, Neiska said:@OP -I am a new player as well and I can say is that I have had an overwhelmingly positive experience. Yes, I have had a few bumps with other players, but I consider those to be rare. 99% of the time, players have been friendly, helpful, and eager to have fun as well.
Hey, I am glad to hear your experience has been overwhelmingly positive, and so has mine! 😊
Still, I don't think how much positivity there was excuses mindsets that affect the game or players negatively.
Like you said in your fourth point, there are always rude people. That is fine, we can't do anything about it.
It is one thing when you encounter a few of these people here and there, but another thing when a core part of the game brings out multiples of these.
No subject that is part of a game should bring up a large group of rude people and be left unmentioned and unnoticed.
At the end of the day, this was just one drop in a large bucket. It was not the first, and won't be the last.-
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50 minutes ago, PaxArcana said:
"Some people, Master Bruce, just want to watch the world burn."
*Puts on costume and crouches atop a rooftop in the middle of the night.*
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24 minutes ago, jubakumbi said:
Just another PoV...please take it as the light-hearted devils-advocate it is intended to be...it is aimed at the general 'you', not You.
While I think there's always a place for someone to be devil's advocate, I think the analogy picked was not that great for the situation at hand.
This was more akin to someone sitting in the bench and asking for someone to play with, when a stranger sits beside them and starts telling them that before they find someone to play with in the court, they need to learn how to dribble.
Keeping it within the topic of games; A better devil's advocate point could have been that there's hundreds of other methods of going about the issue rather than creating a farmer and asking to door sit.
That I can definitely agree with.
As for the in-game/out-of-game activity thing... I think there is a Help channel in most games for a reason.
No one is ever forced to give advice.
There will always be those looking for advice, and someone might be willing to give some of their time.
29 minutes ago, biostem said:I think the first mistake the OP made was thinking that playing the AH/farming/focusing so heavily on IO sets was "the game". They're undoubtedly part of CoH, but to focus so much on them, seemingly to the detriment of everything else, is, well, self-destructive. [...] If you insist on participating in a system that makes you miserable, (and let's keep this to games for this thread), then whose fault is it if you come away from the experience, miserable?
This I believe is a big part of the issue/mistake I have committed when it comes to my personal enjoyment.
Due to timezone restraints, I can't always get groups for the content I want, and I can't solo what I want either.
My go-to solution was trying a method that I did not enjoy: playing the AH.
I then switched to farming, which I have found a lot more enjoyable in comparison, but still not quite what I wanted.
Finding your enjoyment in something is sometimes a process as well, and I am working towards that process for CoH.
From here I will either make more characters to grind to 50 and only play CoH whenever I am able to play close to peak time (which I greatly enjoyed).
Or I will attempt to get one of my characters to a spot I can do some content by myself (currently what I am attempting).
I might just find out that I can only get enjoyment out of the game during certain times of the day/week.
13 minutes ago, jubakumbi said:Why should there be a social contract that demands other players stop what they are doing in-game to explain the game to new players?
There isn't, and there shouldn't be one.
But why is it that some people are willing to stop what they are doing to criticize someone's choices in the game rather than take the time to talk to them?
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6 hours ago, Murcielago said:
I was hoping OP was soliciting ways to scare away new players. /s
We can start a new topic to discuss that. 😉
5 hours ago, Oubliette_Red said:Same here. I figure if this doesn't...
...nothing will.
Nevermind, that does it.
I am leaving CoH never to return, good bye! /s-
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Well, this kinda blew up...
There have been a lot of posts, some very nice stories, and a bit of discussion on the side.
Firstly, let me thank you guys who decided to send me inboxes or post here.
Don't worry, I am not ripping my hair out because of this chat interaction, and I am not quitting CoH because of it.
Your messages were well received.
A couple of you mentioned how I basically fed into it, or how I was in the wrong much like the other player.
I agree, 100%.
I am not proud of it, and I didn't post it here to do that.
I also did not post it here to shame this person, hence I censored the chat as much as I could.
The thing is, this player was not the first person to say something. It wasn't just a couple either.
I could have simply chosen to ignore this player, instead I decided to reply.
I attempted to make a point, but like I said earlier, there are no winners in internet arguments.
A situation like this can result in a few different outcomes, ranging from a pleasant interaction, all the way to an ignore or a discussion.
The outcome depends on how you approach the topic.
I would have loved advice if he/she had approached it in a different manner.
For example, I would have jumped at the opportunity if that player had offered to walk me through something new in the game.
Here's my issue:
This player only told me how I was wrong.
I was wrong to ask to door sit to level a secondary character after my first one.
I was wrong for getting to 50 and not having enough infamy to do what I wanted.
I was wrong for not finding groups. (this happened near peak time, try logging in at around 11am-1pm GMT to see how many people are online)
and lastly, I was wrong to insist that a farmer was what I wanted to do after my first level 50.
Was I wrong in the way I interacted with him/her? Yes, I was.
At several points this could have turned into a conversation that was mutually beneficial.
However, I was frustrated.
This wasn't the first message like this, and I have already been struggling to pick up the game.
When we have years and years worth of experience in a game it is hard to remember how it was when we first started:
You have no idea how long I went without proper enhancements (either red or entirely missing) because I didn't understand them.
You have no idea how much money I spent buying DOs instead of crafting IOs.
You have no idea how many times I wound up on the floor because I stood on a -end patch while fighting freakshows.
You have no idea how many times I face planted and had to open combat logs only to find out I strolled too close to another Pylon.
New players are like little kids:
They will make lots of mistakes.
If you just reprimand them whenever they pick up a toy, they will drop that toy and go play with something else.My point is, don't approach someone who is new to the game and show them just their mistakes.
You are welcome to point out problems, but bring solutions with them.And if someone says that solution has not worked for them, either find out why, or suggest another one.
None of this is CoH exclusive, this happens in too many games.
However, CoH is a lot more complex than it seems on the surface, and the advice available is either too much, too little, too simple, or too advanced (I haven't figured out which yet).-
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1 hour ago, PaxArcana said:
Everyone has a "kryptonite" that will devastate them. EVERYONE, no exceptions. Yes, including you. And I don't mean utterly devastating things like a death in the family, I mean, everyone has an ordinary, even a small thing, that they will simply No. Be. Able. To. Ignore.
This point is actually far too accurate.
While this specific encounter was a small annoyance for me, I have friends who would have straight up uninstalled the game after something like this.
As someone who tries to get my group of friends into literally every single game I play, having something like this happen saddens me a little.Unfortunately I was not able to get many of them to play a game that came out in 2004 which they never had an interest in to begin with 🤣
34 minutes ago, Budo said:Can you (the lot of you, not any one specific person) stop the bickering?
I always remember that one internet argument vs special olympics meme (just google it if you don't know what I am talking about).
It is extremely offensive, but there's such an amazing degree of truth to what it actually wants to get across.
36 minutes ago, Budo said:Either way, that guy/gal/other that sent OP the tells in-game can suck a butt. I love how they start with "CoH is the friendliest place ever!" and then pepper the whole exchange with "DO IT MY WAY OR YOU SUCK!" talk. People are walking contradictions.
Yeah, sometimes it is nice to take a step back and look at what you are saying.
It is very easy to become a hypocrite if you just spout things without thinking. We all do it at times.
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4 hours ago, Lines said:
On the polarising opinions surrounding PLing and AE, I share the offending butthole's purist disposition. I have very strong opinions about I should be playing the game and it's a very special case where I toe the line outside of what I think is correct.
But those opinions are for me.
I honestly understand this standing as I have similar opinions when it comes to other games.
But like you said, those opinions are for you and me. It is absolutely fine to voice them, as long as you do it the right way.8 minutes ago, THEDarkTyger said:This isn't a matter of opinion or "viewpoints". You're wrong, objectively.
Let us not turn this into a discussion, please. 😉
To each their own, and lets leave it at that.We can't change everyone's minds to think like ours.
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10 hours ago, Clave Dark 5 said:
To the OP: that was just one jerk. Take time off if you need to, but we hope to see you back because you're the kind of kind player we like around here.
8 hours ago, Ibarra said:Unfortunately, people like him will always be around, and would rather only listen to themselves and no one else.
8 hours ago, Abraxus said:If I had any advice, I'd say block that wretch, and seek out those who are representative of the majority, and a joy to play with!
Oh, I am fully aware this is far from a good representation of the CoH community (or nearly any game for that matter). I just took the day off, but I will be playing once again today. Like I mentioned earlier, I have already met plenty of people that are the polar opposite of this one player.
8 hours ago, ShardWarrior said:I never suggested not letting others get to you was in any way an absolute truth for everyone. It was simple advice that works for me. It's also true for just about everyone I know as well. So yes, it is true - if you let other people bother you, they will.
While I completely agree with you, and I am someone who generally does not care much and gets over things rather quickly; Getting messages like this in the first place will always have some sort of impact.
For me it just makes me feel like I rather be spending my time playing another game in which I won't be getting tells of what I should be doing. Which is what I decided to do yesterday.
But yes, for those who can follow your advice, that is sound advice.9 hours ago, PaxArcana said:I've been hearing bullshit like that all my life (while dealing with depression and social anxiety) - and it's just not true. at all.
I am sorry to hear. I hope you have found some people that can help you through it.
I know I am just a random person on the internet, but if you ever want to type a bunch to a stranger you do not know, my inbox is open. 😊13 hours ago, PaxArcana said:Human nature is a cast iron bitch. 😞
This is sadly too close to the truth. But maybe, just maybe, someone will see this and realize they have done this to someone else in the past.
5 hours ago, Water said:I don't see a reportable offence there, just a player who is passionate about playing the game as it was by levelling a character through content, y'know, like games used to be. A purist so to speak. I'm sure his/her intentions were positive and they just wanted you to experience the fun in the game that they had.
Whether reportable or not, I have no intention of doing so.
I understand his point and yours far too well, as I have similar views in other games I have played in the past.
There's just a fine line between friendly suggesting something, voicing your opinion, and pushing your opinion down someone's throat.As you yourself pointed, I think he/she had good intentions.
The problem here isn't the intent, it is the approach to it.10 hours ago, MunkiLord said:My schedule and playtime varies randomly, but I'll gladly let you sit in on a few farm runs if you ever see me in game @MunkiLord
Hey, I greatly appreciate the offer! My farmer is already in the 40s, so it won't be long before I ding that 50.
Still, I won't turn down a chance to talk to some people about games and nostalgia (lots of us seem to have that in common, I wonder why). 😃
Which server do you usually play in?
4 hours ago, VV said:Honestly, I skipped most of it because it seemed like a rant about the fact that humans are humans and not all are nice. But, this statement is kind of ridiculous. Unless you have made some sort of purposefully gimped character with a bunch of useless Pool powers, there is no content at even level that any character cannot do with regular SO enhancements. They even put an option in to turn the difficulty down to -1 if you do find something too challenging.
You are right, as I said in the disclaimer it was a rant, and it was essentially about humans being humans.
The main thing I am struggling with is doing some of the TFs. I have a Kin/Ice Defender with simple crafted IOs slotted through most of his powers (several of which are still level 25).
If I get into the content solo, there are enemies (usually AVs) which I just can't get through.When I get into it with other people, either they blow through everything or... Well, they still blow through everything, but at higher difficulties I spend most of the time licking the floor.
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30 minutes ago, THEDarkTyger said:
In fact, CoH tends to have far fewer than most MMOs.
13 minutes ago, cejmp said:I'd have straight up put him on ignore after the 3rd tell.
6 minutes ago, PaxArcana said:"all it takes is one turd floating in the punch bowl, and suddenly no-one is thirsty."
This is getting attention quicker than I expected tbh.
I thank you guys for the support, and I am fully aware that this is but one player in hundreds. I just wish people like this would consider the impact they have on others' enjoyment of the game.
Regardless, I have met many more people that are the complete opposite of this one example.
9 minutes ago, Moka said:This is considered harassment and reportable.
I have no intent on reporting him. Had I really wanted to avoid talking to him, I could have muted him past the first tell.
The simple fact that this is done by not one, but several people, is just rather disheartening.
Like I said, nothing I say or do is going to change this. There will always be a few "bad apples."
I just hope that maybe this reaches a single bad apple.
3 minutes ago, Rathulfr said:And in many cases over several games, I've often been one of those asshats or prigs.
I think many of us have in one occasion or another in the past.
I know I have done so myself, and I have lots of friends who are also the elitist kind of player.
It just takes a little bit of consideration to know that you can be elitist amongst your elitist friends, but you should spare others that might not share the same thought.
My experience has been rather good to be honest, and this one event has not changed what I think of the game or its community.
I just needed to rant about something far too common in games nowadays.
10 minutes ago, AurianArchive said:Here? From what I've seen in broadcast and global channel chats, it seems to be a return of the Live-server behavior. Nobody announces a power-leveling session for new players, and in some cases I got the distinct impression that if a player can't contribute to a farm they aren't welcome.
I am not entirely sure about the different versions of the game, but the whole AE topic specifically does seem to be a rather polarizing one with most players in Homecoming.
I have seen perhaps a couple people actually inviting others to door sit, most of the messages are people looking to door sit rather than the other way around.
That said, I talked for hours with some very nice people that allowed me to join their AE farms for a while. In fact, some of the nicest people I met were AE farmers. Most I met seem very content to give up some efficiency in their farming to tell stories about the old days of CoH and what things have changed since then.
Surely me being in their team and talking to them isn't helping them make money any faster, but I guess talking to a new player takes away some of the monotony of farming. And in turn, I get to hear great stories of nostalgia and remember my own old days in other MMOs.-
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Disclaimer: This is a rant, and English is not my mother tongue. I mean no offense to any one person or group of people, so I apologize if it comes across as such. Please take everything within this post with a grain of salt and an open mind.
Alright, let me give you a little bit of a background on my CoH experience so far, then you can interpret the uploaded chat log as you wish, and after the fact I will give you my opinion on the "issue" that I wanted to bring up.
Several years back (circa 2007-8 if I were to guess) I was hoping between MMOs after a bit of a burnout in the MMO I had been playing since 2004. During that MMO hoping, I found out about CoH. Sadly, back then, it was both a buy to play and a monthly subscription (from what I recall, although premium may have been optional from what I gather nowadays). Sadly, affording a game plus membership in USD was not something I could do back then given my financial situation at the time, so I studied the game, I watched videos, but I never played it.
A few months ago, I open twitch and find Strippin is playing CoH. A little surprised I decide to check it out, and thus discover Homecoming. Since then, I have created and played probably over 50 characters, some of which have made it into the 20s and 30s, others who were just fun concepts that I stored and never took into their teens.
Roughly two weeks ago, I decided to give time to CoH once again after I took a 3 month break to focus on some IRL things. I logged in only to be reminded of the struggles I had previously (CoH is an incredibly complex game despite seeming very simple), and so I made a forum post. After some great help, I started a new character, and learnt a handful of new things, amongst which were some of my preferences towards certain style of power pools. So I created another character, and decided I would level that character up to 50. Throughout that journey, I met a lot of incredibly helpful friendly people and some who were essentially NPCs (keeping to themselves), but I can't recall anyone who I met throughout my leveling process that wasn't nice to play with.
Recently, I hit level 50 on that character, and I started checking out how much all those nice IO sets cost so that I could start putting together a build. I wanted to be able to transition from those radio missions and such into doing some of the TF content, but all the people that I found doing that content are so geared up it is blatantly obvious I am just getting my butt carried.
So, I talked a bit to a guy in my supergroup, and he mentioned he had this farmer he used to get infamy. I had read some stuff about it previously, including some of the guides in the forums, but I had not given thought to making one until then. Instead of being carried through content by people with years more experience than me, or taking handouts from people in my supergroup, I decided I would make some money for myself.I started playing the AH. It took me a while to understand some of the systems, and I am still figuring out what things are actually worth infamy and what aren't. Throughout the last couple days I have made a little over 60mil (plus some pending sales) from the 10mil or so I started with. Granted I was learning, I "wasted" some infamy before I even started making profit.
And then it struck me... I was logging on to play the AH, spending hours searching for things, listing them back, waiting for them to sell. What I was not doing, was playing the game. I was playing the market within the game, not the game itself.
With that epiphany, I decided I would be better off making my own farmer, same as the guys in my supergroup. So I open up some of the guides in the forum again, give them a read, watch some videos, and give it a go. I leveled up my farmer until the mid 30s, and I realized, I was making less money than playing the AH. From what I had read, there's plenty of money to be made with farmers, so what must have been delaying me was my low level (most of the infamy I made was selling rare salvage, and like I mentioned, I made more in the AH). Upon remembering some people were asking to "door sit" their characters, I thought to myself that perhaps I could door sit the farmer and thus speed up the process of getting back to the actual game (as opposed to dropping the farmer and returning to the AH).
I went ahead and asked in chat if anyone would be willing to let a newbie door sit. For some reason, the fact that I included that I was a "newbie" in the message triggered some people. This was not the only person who replied to my group requests, but I thought it was a good example of a seemingly rather common reaction.
Please see the chatlog now.SpoilerFirstly, you may notice I blanked the person's name.
The purpose of this is to illustrate a point, so I thought unnecessary to expose a player.We all know how the internet gets when people have differing opinions (as briefly displayed in this chatlog), and the last thing I was is for someone to bother this player because they agree/disagree with his points.
So let me get to my point.
Despite not knowing anything about me, my previous game experience, or my experience with CoH, this player felt like he just had to tell me what I should be doing in the game.
I agree, there is a lot of good content in the game. I agree that AE farming is not all that CoH (or any other game with a similar system) is about.As someone who has played several games from their roots, and has despised several additions that were later introduced, I understand all of you who are old school players and who dislike AE farming.
None of this, however, justifies telling someone what they should be doing, or how they should be enjoying a game.
The time of day in which I can play the game is far from peak hours. In fact, peak hours seem to be somewhere around 11pm to 8am for me. While there are certain days I can stay up and play with my supergroup during those times, most of the week I am on during the time it is hard to even form DFB groups.
I gave the game a go under my own terms, and I tried a good chunk of it. Now I want to get to content which I can't farm alone without gear, and I don't want to be carried by someone else either.
The only reason I make this post is because I have seen many people with attitudes similar to this player, including some posts in this forum. Some were more subtle in their prods about their dislike of AE farmers, but it does not change the fact that in essence they were doing essentially what this player did.
I don't expect a whole community to change (quite the opposite, I love the CoH community thus far), and I realize this isn't a CoH or even an MMO exclusive mentality, much less a majority of players. All that I hope is that if you are a person that thinks like this, or know someone who does, you will be a little more considerate.
Realize that different people play different games for different reasons.
I feel at an impasse, where I can't do the content I want to do with my character, and some people seem to judge specific methods of creating progress for a character. While I do play the game only to enjoy myself, having someone tell me I am doing it wrong just makes me want to play another game where I won't be told as such, regardless of whether I care about what they think or not.
While I have no intentions of leaving CoH yet, the conversation with this player did leave me rather frustrated.
So if you want new players to enjoy your game, don't tell them how to do it.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood newbie.
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Alright, I thought I would give you guys a little update on my ventures thus far.
With a little more attention to my enhancements and what I was slotting, I was able to have a lot more success with my Inv/Katana tanker than any others I have had before. I am currently level 29 on him, but won't have much time to play today. During the leveling I let my enhancements go red for a while, which led me to repeatedly dying once again, only reminding me how important having those up is...
Currently I'm keeping it simple and going for 2-3 resist/defense DOs and 3 acc DOs on their respective slots. This method has already been eating up a good chunk of the inf I got throughout the leveling process.The "goal" build I got on Mids' was based off of one of the 3.5k+ build database available in the forum. I dropped Build Up and Char (Pyre epic) in favor of Conserve Power and Physical Perfection (Energy epic). I just wanted to have a little bit of a regen feel on the side, specially because leveling with just Dull Pain as a heal has been a little rough thus far.
While I have no idea how realistic/optimized any of this is, or how expensive it would be; here's what I had:Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.1
https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designerClick this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Katana
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy MasteryHero Profile:
Level 1: Temp Invulnerability- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (3) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP
- (3) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
Level 1: Sting of the Wasp
- (A) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage
- (5) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance
- (5) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (7) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (7) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
- (9) Superior Might of the Tanker - Recharge/Chance for +Res(All)
Level 2: Dull Pain
- (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
- (9) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
- (11) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
- (11) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
- (13) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
- (13) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb
Level 4: Hasten
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (40) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 6: Flashing Steel
- (A) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge
- (15) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (17) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (17) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Damage
- (19) Cleaving Blow - Damage/Recharge
- (19) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Recharge
Level 8: Unyielding
- (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
- (21) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
- (21) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (23) Reactive Armor - Resistance
- (31) Impervium Armor - Psionic Resistance
Level 10: Dragon's Roar
- (A) Mocking Beratement - Taunt
- (23) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge
- (25) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (25) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Range
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Recharge
Level 12: Mystic Flight
- (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)
Level 14: Maneuvers
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
- (29) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
- (29) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage
Level 16: Divine Avalanche
- (A) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Accuracy/Damage
- (31) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
- (31) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
- (33) Superior Gauntleted Fist - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
- (33) Superior Gauntleted Fist - RechargeTime/+Absorb
Level 18: Invincibility
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
Level 20: Arcane Bolt
- (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime
- (34) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (34) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (34) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
- (36) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge
Level 22: Rune of Protection
- (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
- (36) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
- (36) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (37) Reactive Armor - Resistance
Level 24: Resist Physical Damage
- (A) Aegis - Resistance
- (42) Impervium Armor - Psionic Resistance
- (48) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (48) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
Level 26: Tough Hide
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
- (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
Level 28: The Lotus Drops
- (A) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage
- (37) Superior Avalanche - Damage/Endurance
- (39) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (39) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (39) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (40) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown
Level 30: Resist Elements
- (A) Aegis - Resistance
- (46) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (48) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
Level 32: Resist Energies
- (A) Aegis - Resistance
- (46) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (46) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
Level 35: Soaring Dragon
- (A) Pounding Slugfest - Accuracy/Damage
- (42) Pounding Slugfest - Damage/Endurance
- (43) Pounding Slugfest - Damage/Recharge
- (43) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (43) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (45) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
Level 38: Conserve Power
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
Level 41: Kick
- (A) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge
Level 44: Tough
- (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
- (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
- (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (50) Reactive Armor - Resistance
Level 47: Weave
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
Level 49: Physical Perfection
- (A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (50) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Accuracy IO
Level 1: Gauntlet
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While I am having a tonne more fun now, I still constantly feel like I would be better off letting someone else tank. Yesterday I had someone offer to take lead as a Warshade (no idea what they even do) since they had all resists near capped, and I was constantly dropping to Succubi in one of the missions we went into (no resist elements yet, my F/C were somewhere in the teens... 13-15 maybe?).
Also, the Inv/Katana combo feels rather bland both on the character animation and skill effect spectrum. I am missing a little bit of punch with my attacks, or at least some AoE... While I have no plans of shelving the character yet, I will probably run something else alongside him to satisfy that craving. Progress will most likely slow down, but perhaps I will come back to it with more experience/inf to invest into it.
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2 minutes ago, biostem said:
How are you slotted? ... Going back to the character you mentioned - war mace excels at single target damage, so perhaps focus on fewer higher level enemies...
I was running no +ToHit and I had 0-1 accuracy enhancements on most of my powers. Sounds like I definitely need to prioritize those a little more...
I'm most likely going to be trying out some different setup, but I think fewer higher level enemies might be something I should keep in mind regardless!
As a side question, are there any good AoE tanker primaries/secondaries?
5 minutes ago, Justaris said:Summer Blockbuster is...
Inv/Katana should work just fine... Hasten is useful for most builds and getting perma is more a matter of stacking Recharge bonuses than a factor of any particular powerset. So yes, certainly possible.
Ah, that makes sense! I think I remember seeing some of those on Mid's before.
I will give that setup a go then, and follow the recommendations. Hopefully it goes a little smoother.
Also, even though I have read plenty to know what IOs look like, how they work, and what they do, I am still a little unsure about how exactly to get my hands on them (other than AH). They seem to be crafts, am I correct? So I need a "recipe" and Invention Salvages? I might need to find something that explains that a little more in-depth.
Sounds like I will have plenty of options for the build if I take it to end-game then. That's got me excited!
12 minutes ago, Shoulung said:Summer blockbuster is an event trial you get into through the lfg tab. It requires 4 people to run, so smaller than the usual TF. You have to be at least 15 to join one, but gets easier in your late 20s when you get some initial IOs slotted. It’s fun and takes about a half hour to clear. As far as inv/katana there is some nice synergy there with the +def in some katana attacks bridging the gap to def cap until you get your IO sets.
I will take a look at the summer blockbuster then! Might dust off one of the older characters to do it...
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10 minutes ago, Shoulung said:
You might want to think about getting into summer blockbuster before it ends too
They might have been twinked toons, you are right. This was over 3 months ago, so I am unsure.
Would you mind elaborating on this summer blockbuster thing?
8 minutes ago, Justaris said:If you want to stick it out with Dark Armor, I encourage you to do so, and I'd be happy to help you fine-tune your build, just want you to know what you're in for.
I appreciate the offer, but I will try and drop the character for now and return to it later. Although I quite liked the character concept, I have several others sitting waiting to get a chance.
Turns out I just got what might be a perfect Inv/Katana character.
Do you think that would work out decently for someone starting out and running crappy SO setups?
Also, would this be a set that I might look into getting medicine for a heal other than dull pain?And is it a set I can invest into getting perma hasten/dull pain in the future? (I read a lot, but I cant gauge how hard most of it is to attain)
18 minutes ago, biostem said:Also, and unless I've misunderstood what you wrote, are you trying to run these missions solo?
You did not misunderstand me.
I didn't want to get into a group just to go down over and over again (did that 3 months ago and led to a quick disband). So I thought I would get a feel for it first, and move onto the actual thing a bit later.
The -ToHit might be why I felt like I was healing much less with Dark Regeneration...Initially I feel like Death Shroud+Dark Regeneration was doing enough that it felt like I had some AoE, but that quickly went away. I will keep that in mind for the future.
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Hello there!
I started playing CoX just a few months back when I found out about Homecoming through Strippin's stream. Having never played the game previously, I have run into countless walls.
For a few weeks I played a lot, and I mean, A LOT. I have a couple characters in the 30s and several others that range from teens into the 20s. Truth is, I leveled mostly through grinding DFB and (getting carried in) radio missions later on.
The one thing I wanted to try the most, however, is a tank. I have attempted it multiple times, but I just can't seem to figure it out.
I have spent countless hours reading guides in the old forums through the wayback machine, the wiki, and some of the posts here, but I still seem to be stuck with the same problem I had before.
Today I created a Dark/WarM tank and decided to level by myself. I set notoriety to -1/x8 (after a few levels) and enjoyed the feel of slowly draining a mob of Arachnos soldiers through a few of the starting missions. As soon as I hit level 10, I went to a new contact who asked me to deal with some Skulls. While I could take several Arachnos previously, I feel like as much as 5 Skulls are a struggle for me.While I think I have a grasp of enchantments (or at least what they stand for, IO sets, frankenslotting, etc), I think that might be what I am struggling with. I have seen people with level 20-30 characters tanking massive amounts of monsters in radio groups with ease, yet I can't seem to survive much past the alpha strike.
The one brute I did take into the 20s and went for radio missions roughly 3 months back would literally eat the alpha strike, die, and then get revived to do the same for the next pack of mobs. I know, I should've been running a Tanker from the beginning.
So here are my questions/TL;DR:
What is a good/simple tanker power setup for a complete newbie to the game with no resources for expensive IO slotting and lackluster knowledge of the game?
Are enhancements essentially the only thing that decides how good your character is, or are there other factors?I am running my defensive auras, combat jumping, etc, but I am wondering if perhaps I should be placing more focus on my primary skills for tanking (picking every single one)?
Sorry for the slight wall of textEdit - some spelling mistakes and one more question:
I have seen several posts talking about good single target/AoE power sets, but I can't find a good list of them (where as I found one covering def, res, and hybrid armors).
Is there any post that talks a bit about the strengths and weaknesses of all the damage sets for a tanker?
How to scare away new players.
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I honestly suspect most haven't. Hence why I thought quoting those could be helpful.
I have personally learnt a lot from this topic already, and must say while I partially understood the people sending me tells, I have a much better idea of where they are coming from now.
While my main point is sadly something far too common in the internet, I felt like it could be an interesting thing to bring up here.
Maybe a few people can learn from some of the posts in this topic much like I have. 😊
I had seen those graphs but also did not think about bringing them up.
I must say, the ratios are kind of scary to see...
Maybe it comes down a little bit to the fact that it is very easy to make a farmer and speed up the process for a few things that many of us don't have time for anymore in our day-to-day lives.
The irony here is that AE farming (although some may enjoy it) is potentially the most dull type of grinding in the game, same maps, same mobs, same build, over, and over, and over again.
I suppose the popularity stems from time efficiency.