Titan Weapon Proc Value w/ Momentum

[WuTang]

OK I've played both Scrapper and Brute, the former most (lvl 41 atm). 

 

What I'm seeing is that the procs, when Momentum is on, don't seem to have much value. MIDs shows this not sure how accurate the numbers are though.  I was told momentum does not affect recharge like MIDs shows but I'm not sure how to verify this in game, and that the proc % should not be affected like MIDs shows. Anecdotally, FF +recharge doesn't seem to proc very often at all when Arc of Destruction is used during Momentum.

 

So question for the Build Masters, do you proc out TW??

 

By the way, in my humble opinion, Titan Weapon is not slow at all. I don't know what is used to be like, but Crushing Blow has a 2 sec activation, after that everything has a 1.0 - 1.37 activation time, then back to Crushing Blow. So far I can work in quite a nice attack chain and my dude is spinning his ass off with the giant friggin' weapon. Looks awesome and the numbers are decent.

[Maelwys]

1 hour ago, WuTang said:

I was told momentum does not affect recharge like MIDs shows but I'm not sure how to verify this in game
...
So question for the Build Masters, do you proc out TW??

https://cod.uberguy.net./html/powerset.html?pset=pets.titan_weapons&at=scrapper 
TW has two copies of many of its powers. The "Fast" version is used during Momentum; and the other is used normally.
The Fast ones have a faster cast time and recharge time; which means they have better raw DPA and cycle faster; but their proc rate is lower.

A typical attack chain for TW is CB (trigger momentum) > FT > Arc > Rend > FT (momentum wears off) > Crosspunch/Snipe/Gloom.
So only the first CB is "slow" and the rest are "fast" (plus that last filler attack, which is typically a Snipe on Scrappers).

The main concern therefore is to get Follow Through recharging quickly enough that it's available every 3.564-4.092s (e.g. 2.244s from 'Slow' CB, plus the arcanatime of your filler attack). Personally I tend to procbomb everything, yes. Although Snipes might still need some local +Rech aspect to make ends meet.
 

Edited September 22 by Maelwys

[WuTang]

Guess I'll stick him in a farm for a more controlled look at the activation of the different procs.

 

My secondary is Energy Aura so my recharge fluctuates... I could go Agility or Spiritual for the recharge bump but since procs are used thought Musculature was a better choice.

 

On my Brute I didn't proc anything and did go Spiritual. I based my secondary slotting partially off @Thraxen high recharge /Ele build.

[Maelwys]

In case it helps, this is what the TW variant of my /Regen scrapper is looking like:
Scrapper - TW_Regen IOed.mbd

(CP and CB aren't procbombed in order to eek out just enough +Def to reach the Melee Softcap with one stack of Defensive Sweep; but the rest are. ATO2 is in FT)
 

[WuTang]

17 hours ago, Maelwys said:

In case it helps, this is what the TW variant of my /Regen scrapper is looking like:
Scrapper - TW_Regen IOed.mbd

(CP and CB aren't procbombed in order to eek out just enough +Def to reach the Melee Softcap with one stack of Defensive Sweep; but the rest are. ATO2 is in FT)
 

Hey preciate the build to compare to!

 

Got a question, cause I just spotted it and don't know if it's MID's fuzzy math or real, but Rend Armor hits for over 1200 when it crits in my version of MIDs. Is that what you see in game?

 

Thanks!

[Maelwys]

On 9/23/2025 at 2:17 PM, WuTang said:

Hey preciate the build to compare to!

 

Got a question, cause I just spotted it and don't know if it's MID's fuzzy math or real, but Rend Armor hits for over 1200 when it crits in my version of MIDs. Is that what you see in game?

 

Thanks!

You mean this?

(Normal)


(With "Critical Hit" toggled on)



Looks like a Mids bug

It shouldn't be going from 182.7 --> 508 Base damage.

In reality Rend Crits add 142.6 base damage (Fast) or 182.7 base damage (slow).
But Mids is applying BOTH the 182.7 AND the 142.6 regardless of whether the attack is "fast" or "slow".



See those last four effect entries? Those are what Mids is using when it calculates Critical hit damage for this attack.
The two that mention "BossCrit" are both being added simultaneously because they lack conditional modifiers to tell Mids that they should just be used in Fast/Slow mode.

If you're in Fast mode, subtract about 182.7*(whatever your attack's damage buff is) from the stated Crit numbers and you'll get a more accurate picture.
(in my build that's 100%+119.11%+9%=228.11%... which results in 1363.2-416.75697=946.44 expected crit damage; when procbombed. Which seems much more like it!)

 

Edited September 25 by Maelwys

[SomeGuy]

I frickin' love TW. I have a LOT of experience with the primary and have it on Scrappers, Brutes, and Tankers. Basically whatever AT it's available on. I know TW absolutely can dog walk other ATs in terms of performance but it takes pretty acute practice with it and a smart build. TW needs a LOT of recharge. If you can do this, it's totally worth it. 

With that said...

 

I don't know the numbers via proc % difference between non-momentum and momentum attacks. I just know this. Set can proc a lot, and being able to do a good rotation, kills thing really well. The set numerically performs VERY well. If you also like the look and feel....frick yeah. 

 

Anyways, one of my fav scrappers is my TW/ENA:

 

 

https://api.midsreborn.com/legacy/download?uc=1697&c=748&a=1496&f=HEX&dc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
 

 

 

Here's my TW/ELE Brute if you're curious also:

 

 

https://api.midsreborn.com/legacy/download?uc=1808&c=773&a=1546&f=HEX&dc=78DA7594594F135114C7FFD34EC59696B6205464AF62373AB48A0F6E716179912628461F9BA68CD0A4B64D5B12FD166E890FF2A0022AF153F8AE9FC1570559DC571C0F73E6CA2D4D2799DEDF9C73EED9EEE94DDD1A73BF793D791E4AF3683E53A9A42F96E7ABBA239599CD65B1F334D1DB690AD3293DAFEBDAD55C3553485FD733A562A1D2CD9A31FD865EA8E8DA785ECF56CBB96CFA42F966B10CF754B198D726C934579875991FD3255D9FF19838919B9DAB92C22BAC66F472652E570A8C9772598D1D4F17E7F3E954A652D5CBB7FB299308BD6B1DF4A3403C8603F0AB4052850D6E013E867DF0301C448B002FC3226ADDD8812F76533384AF027E08F8CEB0B4B3478EAD6099352A1E0B78C210C25386081619A25862E8A0AEDA25378A1DED8A95F036097A54AC53950E48E939B062334DDC7844D0465EB0C0D08B1899249DD8A04D4D727A4D78C0D5EEC71D0177197CB8C77014F705A4695348C5335A9C921B3891E0F4829478B3AC6916A19769F1C8A13DA2672DA2AF71D1D7167C130DF9C9A0894E3FA7BD5E39801701C56CC816D5E69703F811E386B4226A3373684588E100C202220C47F08A7BF582F6B6C901DA282FD3649502B44B1DA70FEB5014AA3A208F4A0053B40655727B45C06586614C337C24779D72BE9D74E6A6BB43F86DB3E00FC3616C0BF82BC06058A1BD5DBB736A38BAB0CE6EBAF14EC07B865EAC0A586318C007063B95D02397D083138A75EAD6D9869054ACC31861F84425F4C925F4E12C67D58F33DCD77E9C14708A6100A7059CE3D8595A828A54421009360961882182384314499B352C1A4B86B1C053A95209835236B641713E115CE248C39860F0936D58B60D0BDB3836D92489CF0CAD641B93272246A9F3F49046932742135E5ED26742D228091C136EAD3FC4845A7BBF18DD6ADD85634D914B0C8F4B8C934F4CD1A40AF931E835C755C5942A7B238D42310C03EBAEDA2B8AE4D6806FD46BC2ACD9DCA3211EB05B97CD35AE78AB7EF3433EA9B781DA140D5F7C4FE5D1FA22CC54130DE4C906F2E30DE4230DE44E9FF997DB4D64250873C8FF0B7E75EC11FC0369AFE57B

 

 

As you can see, the scrapper is pretty procced out and the brute is not.

 

 

@Maelwys is awesome.

 

 

Edited September 25 by SomeGuy