A quick note to those of you who have hopes of using a fire/kin troller in as fire farms set to +4 x8, it has been my experience that your pets don't live hey long even if you spam the heck out of transfusion. With this slight draw back you find yourself in one of two different camps. The first is constantly trying to pull up new pets which in turn takes away from the amount of CC you are doing and opens you up to alot of +4 boss hate. Or the second camp being you ingnore trying to keep up with your pets dieing and focus on CC and clearing the groups with nothing but your holds, imm, stuns, and what little dps you can muster from the epics you chose, and as most trollers can tell you straight up this is a long and very tedious fight.