Random Robot

So your argument is essentially "your visual taste is wrong." To clarify, I realise this isn't your argument. You feel I should be penalized for using a temporary power rather than spending a power pick on flight by not being able to choose the visuals that flight uses. However there are already 6 choices for the visuals so that argument doesn't really hold up. edit: Despite us fundamentally disagreeing I do apologize for being unpleasant in this thread. I let the argument get the better of me and that was uncalled for. This apology is aimed at Rudra and anybody else in the thread I treated unfairly. (Looking at you ClawsandEffect.)

Both are "visual options" that contribute to how your character looks. They're the same thing. Let me ask you: What is the negative consequence of me using a temp flight power with no FX vs me using one with FX?

HC have recently added cosmetic costume powers that replicate the FX of powers like Earth Armor, Fire Armor and so on. Should those not exist because you can just roll a character with the relevant power set? Flight Pools and Temp Flight are two different things, the fact that the visuals exist for one doesn't preclude the visuals existing for the other.

Except as stated they are power pool choices and as such fill a different need than temporary flight powers.

I genuinely do not understand this argument. What makes a flight power with no FX worse than one with FX?

Actually the beauty of an invisible jetpack is it doesn't require any new art assets.

Yes. Is that a problem?

If I was going to take a power pool I'd take Fly or Mystic Flight. As I've said I don't need mechanical solutions, for characters that don't have flight as part of their build I use the temp flight powers from the P2W vendor for the few instances when the game needs me to fly. There are 6 visual choices for those powers, and I'd like another one.

It's an option for Faultline but not for reaching that flying enemy. I've been overly confrontational in this thread, but I genuinely don't understand why having a temp flight power that looks like a jetpack is fine but having the same power that looks like something else isn't.

Accepted. I apologise for being snarky earlier. It's not an excuse but it's way past my bedtime. 🙂

If we're really going to get this petty go check the timestamps of the edit.

So your only other argument is "you care too much about how your characters look"?

Imagine an animal wearing a jetpack.

Inherent Tab, Stances. Choose one of the 5 stances (Travel Powers Only) and Athletic Run inherits your choice. I'm literally just asking for the flight equivalent of Athletic Run, a themeless temp travel power. My characters that fly as part of their powerset choose the pools. My characters that occasionally need vertical movement to get around Faultline or reach a flying enemy take the temps. The only thing an invisible jetpack would change is I wouldn't cringe when I looked at my feral demon wearing a skyraider pack.

I don't like it because there's literally no reason to disagree with this besides not wanting people to have fun. The only argument I've heard is "nobody would take flight pools". Both Fly and Mystic Flight cost less endurance, are faster (and scale with level) and can be enhanced. In addition Fly has Afterburner and Mystic Flight has Translocation. The idea that there would be no reason to take them if you could have an invisible jetpack is just as silly as the idea that there would be no reason to take them if you happen to like the look of jetpacks. One could have a Goldbricker or Longbow jetpack costume piece and use either Fly or Mystic Flight (with minimal FX I should add, if you wanted Mystic Flight to fit your tech character) and have a better performance than with either of the temporary flight powers. Every temp power has a specific visual tied to it. So yes, I would like a temp power that has the specific visual of "Minimal FX". There is -no- reason to disagree with this.

I'm sensing I lost you partway there. So, example #2. I buy a flight power from the P2W vendor. I can choose a flight power that looks like a Goldbricker Pack, or I can choose a flight power that looks like a Longbow Jetpack, or...and stay with me here....if my character's theme doesn't really fit a jetpack I can choose a flight power that has no visual FX. Also, Athletic Run can be customized in the tailor.

Ok, let's slow this down a little bit for you. You roll a Willpower scrapper. You can choose to keep the glowing visuals, color the glow a color of your choice, or if your character's theme doesn't really fit glowing you can choose to have no visual FX at all. Make sense?

No, I'm buying a POWER.

Because it's not the same power. You really don't understand that Fly and Mystic Flight are -objectively- better than the P2W powers? You say that an alternate visual for a new jetpack is fine but no visual is, what? Cheating? Exactly how much visual noise does the P2W power have to have before it's not unfair? Does it have to have a 3D model? Why exactly? What possible reason could there be that a magical looking jetpack is fine but the exact same power with Minimal FX is not? I -genuinely- do not understand your logic here.

You have to be trolling at this point, nobody is this dense. "Minimal FX option for the P2W travel powers please, like we have for almost every other power in this game about making your character look the way you want it to."

"You want a hood for your evil mage character? Have you thought about the santa hat? It's basically the same thing, it covers your head."

For 50,000 Inf I can get 30 minutes of 0.75mag flight at at 150.15% flight speed for 0.57 end/second with the visuals of a Goldbricker jetpack. Alternatively for 50,000 Inf I can get 30 minutes of 0.75mag flight at at 150.15% flight speed for 0.57 end/second with the visuals of a Longbow Jetpack. What I'm suggesting is that for 50,000 Inf I can get 30 minutes of 0.75mag flight at at 150.15% flight speed for 0.57 end/second with the visuals of...Minimal FX. There are already 6 different visual options for 30 minutes of 0.75mag flight at at 150.15% flight speed for 0.57 end/second. A seventh option that doesn't even require creating new assets is asking too much?

"You want your fire aura to be part of your costume? Sorry dude, it sounds like you're trying to get fire armor without paying for it."

So it's an opportunity cost based purely on subjective visual taste? If a jetpack fits my theme (or I don't care about theme) then I get to use a temp, otherwise I have to spent a power slot? That's ridiculous. The opportunity cost of the P2W travel powers are increased endurance costs, lower speed and being unable to enhance them. Locking power behind visual aesthetic in a game that's all -about- visual aesthetic is, again, ridiculous. Fly and Mystic Flight are both objectively better than the P2W powers and that's what makes them worth the power slot, not the fact that they have unique visuals.