[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

2 minutes ago, MWRuger said:

The only thing I would suggest is making LRT purchasable at a P2W vendor for whatever it used to cost to get Pocket D VIP. Then people can spend inf so they can avoid badging 1 zone for an accolade.

I could get behind this.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

I actually rather enjoyed every single change thus far, save for this one. I love that content's being added. I love that the game is here. There was bound to be something I didn't like, though, not everyone can like everything in existence every second of every day, after all. :P

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

1 minute ago, Jacke said:

In games as in life, there are going to be changes.  To get things better overall, changes are needed.  We have to adapt to the changes.

 

This is damn simple adaption.  Without adaption, we'd still be playing City of Heroes as it was Issue 0 in 2004.  That was a great game.  For 2004.  It got better.  It's still getting better.  But we have to adapt to that change.  Help direct it when we can.  But adapt we must.

And this I can agree with. But you have to understand that while I will still continue to play CoH, I am under no obligation to like or agree with every single change. Nor is anyone else.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

10 minutes ago, Ironblade said:

"suggests"

Your interpretation differs from the facts laid out in a separate thread.

I interpreted what was there, I was not privy to the other thread. I was simply telling you what I was reading, in this thread.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

Just now, Jacke said:

That's not quite what they said.

 

The devs knew the /enterbasefrompasscode command was excessive.  They should have just removed it from general player use.  But they left it in until they could roll out an equivalent and better system for players.

 

Issue 27 Page 1 has been under development for a long while with beta testing since the summer.  Open beta testing from middle of October.  Including the /enterbasefrompasscode and the teleport changes.

 

The exploit was found about early October.  It was partly patched out.  For the rest, the devs decided to continue with Issue 27 Page 1.

 

Because it's not said there.  The devs and GMs are human, frail, volunteers, and they're getting tired of having to say the same things, refute the same mistaken impressions and incorrect histories.  So sometimes they don't say all the details.  As @Ironblade said, it was mentioned in one of the Focus Feedback posts during the beta.

 

 

 

The problematic aspects of the command are all players being able to use a GM command all the time, everywhere, without cooldown.  It trivializes much of the game. It is wrong.

 

What we have now is better.

I again have to respectfully disagree. I've brought quite a number of folks to Homecoming, and the ability to fast-travel was a huge thing for them. Because of how long it takes to go from one zone to the next, in other MMOs. Not having to deal with it here, was a huge bonus for them.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

Just now, Ironblade said:

This was discussed weeks ago, in one of the 'Focused Feedback' threads posted at the time of the start of beta testing.

Then the first post in this thread is highly contradictory. "It was always our intention (which we communicated a long time ago) to fix the command in a way which preserves the ability to bookmark bases, but removes the other problematic aspects of the command. " This suggests they knew of the exploits 'a long time ago'. So you have to understand my confusion here, when you say they said one thing, but the first post says something 100% different.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

1 minute ago, Ironblade said:

Now it's my turn to 'respectfully disagree'.  They never said that they knew about the exploit a YEAR ago.  They specifically said they discovered it when they were working on a replacement power for this issue.

  Where? Because I've re-read the first post in this thread multiple times and I do not see anywhere that specific explanation.

 

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

1 minute ago, Jacke said:

Please make a counter argument to refute my argument.

My first comment was my argument. You're not obligated to agree with it. You can feel how you feel, if the changes make you happy, cool. I'm glad for you. :) But I'm afraid I simply can't agree for reasons I've already stated.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

Just now, Ironblade said:

Bro, as you pointed out yourself, they left it there for a year because it wasn't urgent or a big deal.

Then they realized there was an exploit and took it out IMMEDIATELY.

But they said again, in the comment I pasted, that they knew of the exploit, and opted not to take it out because the commands had beneficial side effects. 

This is their commentary, not mine. 

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

2 minutes ago, Ironblade said:

I see where you're coming from but the first sentence that I quoted is completely false.  So you're starting from an incorrect premise.

"As for why it’s being changed, well that’s simple: You should not be able to teleport to any base, instantly, with no cost, regardless of your character’s level or progress, by using a simple slash command.

 

Additionally, this command and other related commands had numerous other lesser-known exploitable issues."

Bro, it's literally right there. 'Additionally'. Which means it wasn't the main reason.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

2 minutes ago, Jacke said:

 

Repeating my post from the previous page:

 

Afraid I have to respectfully disagree.

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1 minute ago, Ironblade said:

How is that not saying that they removed it because of PvP?  Removing the slash command for PvP zones would accomplish NOTHING.  It's not a PvP-related problem.

And again, I point to the fact that the exploit was only found RECENTLY when they started looking at alternatives to include in Issue 27.

 

The only mistake the devs made here, which they have publicly admitted, was not removing the command immediately.  They didn't see any harm in it AT THE TIME.  Recently, they discovered the potential for grievous harm (and I don't mean silliness like cheating in PvP) so they removed it now.

Because those words literally never came out of my keyboard, that's how? It was a suggestion to what could have been done in conjunction to literally anything else. The excuse used was that it was not how it was intended to work. The exploit was thrown in as an aside, and not the main reason. Thusly, if the reason it was talked about being removed before, simply because it wasn't how it was meant to work, why wait a whole year to take it out? Do you see where I'm coming from here?

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

4 minutes ago, Ironblade said:

Or, one needs the day job powers which can be acquired at zero cost.

 

Which still requires a wait period. When for a year, we've had the option to choose what method of travel we preferred. I don't understand the reasoning behind this change, and I'm having a hard time accepting 'Well it was never meant to work this way' as an explanation. Because it could have been changed immediately rather than waiting a year, when a lot of people who came to very much enjoy the fast travel, now no longer have access to it, seemingly on a whim.

 

2 minutes ago, Ironblade said:

Again (and again and again) the command was not removed because of PvP.

There was an exploit which was only discovered recently.

Again, I point to the fact it's been here a whole year. The initial explanation says they knew this exploit, and that the allowance was left "Because the command had a beneficial side-effect - it allowed players to easily “bookmark” bases with macros and popmenus."

I also never said that they removed it because of PVP. I only said that the slash commands could have just been removed for PVP zones.

[Zone Travel Updates in Issue 27]

I don't understand the benefit to any of this, to be honest.

 

Being able to teleport to a base via a command should have been removed immediately rather than letting people get used to it being there.

 

I don't understand to what detriment it is to allow people to just teleport to a base, I mean there's a ton of Portal SG bases catering to the desire to fast travel. So you /know/ the desire for it is there. Now those bases have essentially been made useless, which means work and effort put in by said Portal SG creators were just thrown out of the window.

Granted, you can still use the buttons if you're near a base portal. However, with how large the zones are, it still effectively makes travelling tedious and for lower levels, dangerous. In order to still utilize those slash commands, one needs several million for all of the prestige teleportation powers. Again, not possible for lower levels.

I see a lot of 'Well, all you have to do is earn the powers to do all this.', which is great for those who not only know how to do it, but CAN do it, but what of the newer players? Earning the powers requires badge hunting, which will become all the more difficult to do with this particular change. This is also going to make the process of going through story content a lot more unpleasant, because it's going to take that much longer. 

Now, I'm not saying I want an 'Easy Button' added, not at all. 

What I am saying is, a lot of people enjoyed the option to fast travel by way of those Portal SGs, and a lot of people utilized them. No one, of course, was obligated to utilize them. They had the option of both normal travel and fast travel. You could have just turned those slash commands off for PVP zones. It seems like a much simpler solution than to do away with the ability to choose which method of travel you preferred.

[A Question from The Homecoming Team]

1:  Leaving it free would be great. As I know a lot of my friends wouldn't be able to play anymore if it became P2P.  If not, If we move to a sub fee, the game is pretty old, maybe 10 dollars maximum as most people are on a tight budget.

 

2: A finished and functional Kalisti Wharf.

 

3: New powersets, please!

 

4: Improvements to base editing, ((I.E. more items to use. Maybe real kitchen items like stoves, ovens, microwaves, plates and glasses etc.... And more stereos and TV options without the weird pictures flashing across the screen.))

 

5: Maybe more hair and costume options, we do need better long hair options for women, the only good looking one IMO is Glam but it does get boring to use only that.

 

But thank you SO much for bringing our beloved COH back, I've missed it so much. Nothing else has compared to it.