/dark, /cold, /storm VS AV

[WitchofDread]

I'm wanting to build a dark troller that can smash through most content and take down AVs and GMs but i am so torn on the secondary. 

 

I have quite a few Dark Affinity/Miasma characters as its easily one of my favourite sets. It's very defensive but offers great debuffs and comes online early unlike Cold and Storm which blossom at the end which can make doing those early lvl TF's somewhat of a pain but that's beside the point.

 

/dark has:

- ST AoE heal

- AoE -res

- AoE -dmg & -tohit

- Aoe -Regen +rez

- PBAoE +def

- PBAoE +regen & +rec

- Pet

 

/cold has:

- ST -rech &- def

- Aoe -rech, -res, -def

- Aoe -res, +End, +Rec

- ST -dmg, -regen

 

/Storm has:

- Aoe -rech, -res, -def

- Aoe -tohit

- Dmg pet, -def

- Dmg pet

 

TBH I'm not even sure how storm fairs against an AV these days. I know back in the day Storm/dark defenders could take them on but not sure if that has changed at all.

 

Cold is obviously very popular when paired with Illusion these days so that is certainly viable. Realistically they are all viable, its just a case of which is the most effective. Does the sheer damage numbers from storm outweigh the -regen from /dark and /cold.

 

 

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Here is my dark/storm/stone build anyway. 

 

I went with Vigor Core for the end reduction and extra acc. Ultimately when getting to t3 alpha the character would effectively be lvl 51 but all the extra acc will ensure the AV is hit when running at +4/x8. 

Reactive for the -res (not sure if its the best choice), and Clarion for the status protection.

 

Also id really rather stick to these 3 as neither traps or TA appeal to be at all. Time doesnt have enough to content with an AV really, i already have a rad/dark def and rad is so blegh these days. After years of ill/rad it gets old! 

 

thanks!

 

[DocMidknight]

  I was reading this and trying to figure out how to explain things but as I've been up since 5am and have to get back up at 3:30am for work........I'll just post my builds and say all are awesome as I have a dark/dark, dark/cold and dark/storm.

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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Darkness Control
Secondary Power Set: Cold Domination
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Grasp -- UnbCns-Dam%(A), GldNet-Dam%(7), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(7), Apc-Dam%(9), GldJvl-Dam/End/Rech(9), GldJvl-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(11)
Level 1: Infrigidate -- ImpSwf-Acc/Slow(A), AchHee-ResDeb%(3), TchofLadG-%Dam(5), ImpSwf-Dam%(11)
Level 2: Ice Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 4: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(37), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 6: Possess -- CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(A), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(13), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(13), CrcPrs-Conf%(15), CrcPrs-Conf(17), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(29)
Level 8: Fearsome Stare -- CldSns-%Dam(A), CldSns-ToHitDeb(15), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(34), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(37), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(39), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 10: Glacial Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 12: Heart of Darkness -- Arm-Dam%(A), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(40), CldSns-%Dam(40), SprWiloft-Rchg/Dmg%(43), Erd-%Dam(45), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 14: Fly -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Hover -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(17)
Level 18: Haunt -- CldSns-%Dam(A), CldSns-ToHitDeb(19), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(31), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(19), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(34), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 20: Arctic Fog -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(21), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23), RedFrt-Def(23), RedFrt-EndRdx(25)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(25)
Level 26: Shadow Field -- UnbCns-Hold(A), UnbCns-Hold/Rchg(27), UnbCns-Acc/Hold/Rchg(27), UnbCns-Acc/Rchg(43), UnbCns-EndRdx/Hold(50)
Level 28: Benumb -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(31), Rct-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 32: Umbra Beast -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(33), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(33), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(33), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46), CldSns-%Dam(46)
Level 35: Sleet -- Rgn-Dmg(A), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(36), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(36), Rgn-Knock%(37)
Level 38: Heat Loss -- PrfShf-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A), PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(39), EffAdp-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Ice Blast -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Dmg/Rchg(42), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Apc-Acc/Rchg(42), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(45), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(45)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(48), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(48), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(48), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Containment 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(5)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(3)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon 
Level 50: Clarion Radial Invocation 
Level 50: Support Core Embodiment 
Level 50: Diamagnetic Radial Flawless Interface 
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Doc Midknight Final: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Darkness Control
Secondary Power Set: Darkness Affinity
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Grasp -- Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Apc-Acc/Rchg(3), Apc-Dam%(3), GldJvl-Dam%(5), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(5), UnbCns-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Twilight Grasp -- CldSns-Acc/Rchg(A), CldSns-%Dam(7), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(9), CldSns-ToHitDeb(9), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(27), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 2: Tar Patch -- PcnoftheT-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(A)
Level 4: Darkest Night -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(A)
Level 6: Possess -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(11), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(11), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(13), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(19), CrcPrs-Conf%(19)
Level 8: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(13), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(15), BlsoftheZ-Travel(17)
Level 10: Fly -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 12: Howling Twilight -- Ann-ResDeb%(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 16: Shadow Fall -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(17), ShlWal-Def(23)
Level 18: Haunt -- SlbAll-Build%(A), CldSns-ToHitDeb(21), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(21), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(23), GlmoftheA-Dam%(25), CldSns-%Dam(50)
Level 20: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Fearsome Stare -- CldSns-%Dam(A), GlmoftheA-Dam%(25), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(46)
Level 24: Fade -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(31), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 26: Shadow Field -- SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SprWiloft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(31), SprWiloft-EndRdx/Rchg(33), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(33), SprWiloft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SprWiloft-Rchg/Dmg%(34)
Level 28: Soul Absorption -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Heal(29), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(29), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(31), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(42), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 30: Heart of Darkness -- Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Rchg(34), Arm-Dam%(36), ScrDrv-Dam%(36), Obl-%Dam(36), Erd-%Dam(37)
Level 32: Umbra Beast -- CldSns-%Dam(A), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37), CldSns-ToHitDeb(37), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(39), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(39), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 35: Dark Embrace -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(39), GldArm-ResDam(40)
Level 38: Dark Servant -- CldSns-%Dam(A), CldSns-ToHitDeb(40), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(40), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(42), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 41: Dark Obliteration -- Rgn-Dmg(A), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(43), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(43), Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(45)
Level 44: Tough -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(45), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(45)
Level 47: Weave -- Rct-ResDam%(A), Rct-Def(48), Rct-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(48)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Containment 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), EndMod-I(46)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon 
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[DocMidknight]

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Darken: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Darkness Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Grasp -- GldJvl-Acc/Dmg(A), GldJvl-Dam%(3), NrnSht-Dam%(3), UnbCns-Dam%(5), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(5), GldNet-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Gale -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A)
Level 2: Living Shadows -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Fly -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 6: Possess -- MlsIll-Acc/Rchg(A), MlsIll-EndRdx/Conf(37), MlsIll-Acc/EndRdx(37), MlsIll-Conf/Rng(40), MlsIll-Acc/Conf/Rchg(43), MlsIll-Dam%(45)
Level 8: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(9), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(9), BlsoftheZ-Travel(13), Ksm-ToHit+(46)
Level 10: Steamy Mist -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(11), Rct-Def(11)
Level 12: Heart of Darkness -- Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), ScrDrv-Dam%(15), Arm-Dam%(15), SprWiloft-Rchg/Dmg%(17), Obl-%Dam(17)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(27)
Level 16: Freezing Rain -- Bmbdmt-Dam(A), Bmbdmt-Acc/Rech/End(19), Bmbdmt-Dam/Rech(19), Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech/End(21), Bmbdmt-+FireDmg(21), Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech(23)
Level 18: Haunt -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(25), CldSns-%Dam(27), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(29), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(31), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 20: Hurricane -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(29)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(25)
Level 26: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Fearsome Stare -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(34), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(34), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(36), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(36), CldSns-%Dam(37)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 32: Umbra Beast -- ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(A), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(33), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(34), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(46), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 35: Tornado -- SuddAcc-KB/Acc/Dmg(A), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(36)
Level 38: Lightning Storm -- SuddAcc--KB/+KD(A), Thn-Acc/Dmg(39), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Ice Blast -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(42), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(45), LucoftheG-Def(45)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(48), Artl-Dam/Rech(48), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(48), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(50), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(50)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 1: Containment 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(23)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(7)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
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[DocMidknight]

  All 3 can work and all 3 will give your varying levels of success but it kinda boils down to how do you want to do it........dark/dark is the slow and safe bet with all the defense and to hit debuffs it brings. Dark/cold is nasty but not on the same level of nasty as an ill/cold but still nasty with the -res and -regen/-recovery it offers and storm is pure damaging chaos which I added even more AoE goodness to. 

[WitchofDread]

Great set of builds! Really pushed to have great Def on all builds.

 

I build mine more to utilize procs overall and forgo some of the def but try to at least maintain 45% S/L.

 

On the /cold side with Infrigidate have you ever tried the Shield Breaker proc? Tried in on the beta server for 30 mins and never saw it proc once but Impeded Swiftness and Lady Grey proc every time. Odd.

 

I think I'm aiming more towards /cold or /storm at this point. As i said in my first post i have A LOT of dark affinity/miasma

 

Water/dark corr

grav/dark troller

elec/dark troller

ill/dark troller

dark/psi def

 

there are a few haha.

 

Which has you had the most success on/do you use most often? I see on your dark/cold you have Diamagnetic Radial Flawless Interface, does the -regen stack up much?

 

thanks!

[DocMidknight]

 My main for the longest time was the dark/dark troller who is also my namesake and has been made and remade several times over the past few years of playing on homecoming. He's also been able to do some seriously cool stuff...atleast to me with solo GM hunting fun. The dark/cold was made as a challenge to top my ill/cold in crazy controller shenanigans and while close the difference between PA and haunts were just too noticeable but is still an awesome toon and the dark/storm was made to see if I could make it, soft cap it and have enough endurance to actually run it and enough fire power to be effective.....well it's still a work in progress with the endurance issues but everywhere else it shines.  All 4 run 4/8 content with little issue with the only real issue being anything that actually gets through the defense to debuff me with regard to stamina or recharge.  

 

  I feel ya on the dark stuff....my SG mates kinda raz me about all my dark toons........most of my toons are dark. with the dark cold.....with Diamagnetic....I'm not sure if I'm actually using that or if I just clicked it on mids by mistake as I usually just mids build up to the alpha......but out of all my trollers at 50 my dark/dark is my favorite hands down and is my go to when my friends say grab the beast.

[WitchofDread]

So in the end i went for dark/dark/soul, below is my build: 

 

The def is a bit less than what your have but i have managed to squeeze in Arcane bolt and enflame which do pretty decent damage. Dark Servant is always getting into melee range so just slap it on him and watch the procs smash through. Arcane bolt is great as well to get the force feedback +rech proc in which goes off pretty regularly.

 

Fearsome stare procs very well and often along with heart of darkness, but i find that living shadows doesn't so much which is odd.

 

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