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ArchmageMC

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Trying to build a thugs/time. My idea of a pure support Thugs/time fell through once I found out that Sorcery toggles are kinda bad. (Enflame lasts a minute for a toggle.)

Anyoen got some ideas and some breakpoints I should aim for, and maybe some pet slotting ideas?

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Hello @ArchmageMC,

 

I have a thugs/time you can look at as a starting point. She's pretty solid, the only major change you might want is I had issues with pets running off all the time, so I took the teleport pool for fold space. You could swap this out with something else if you wanted to though. I did take Mace Epic both for Web Grenade (another tool to help with CC) but more importantly Power Boost for the massive buff to Farsight. Other things it has is Burnout for Gangwar x2, a damage proc Distortion Field, and pretty strong slow effects overall.

 

On a side note, not sure where you heard Sorcery/Enflame is bad. Enflame used to be a lot worse, and there are many clever ways to use it. Though I will admit, its likely better on Demons or Robots than Thugs. I wouldn't think Thugs really need the boost and could get more milage out of other tools such as the ones I mentioned.

 

But this is a solid build, works fine for me on +4/8 solo.

 

Hope this helps!

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.1.2.5
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Level 50 Natural Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Time Manipulation
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Teleportation
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs -- SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx(45), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(46)
Level 1: Time Crawl -- Range-I(A)
Level 2: Temporal Mending -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(3), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(3), Prv-Heal/Rchg(43), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(43), Prv-Absorb%(43)
Level 4: Time's Juncture -- ImpSwf-Dam%(A), ImpSwf-Acc/Slow(5), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(5), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(7), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(7), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(42)
Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(9), LucoftheG-Def(9), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(11)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Call Enforcer -- ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(13), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(13), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(15), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(40)
Level 14: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Distortion Field -- ImpSwf-Acc/Slow(A), ImpSwf-Dam%(17), ImpSwf-Acc/EndRdx(17), NrnSht-Dam%(37), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(42), GldNet-Dam%(42)
Level 18: Gang War -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19), EdcoftheM-PetDef(19), SvrRgh-PetResDam(21), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(23), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(23)
Level 20: Burnout -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(21)
Level 22: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(25), UnbGrd-ResDam(25), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(36), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(37), UnbGrd-Max HP%(37)
Level 26: Call Bruiser -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(27), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(34), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(36)
Level 28: Farsight -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(29), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(29), Rct-Def/Rchg(33), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Rct-ResDam%(34)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(31), Rct-Def/EndRdx(31), Rct-Def/Rchg(31), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Web Envelope -- GrvAnc-Immob(A), GrvAnc-Acc/Immob/Rchg(45), GrvAnc-Acc/Rchg(48), GrvAnc-Immob/EndRdx(48), GrvAnc-Immob/Rchg(48)
Level 38: Chrono Shift -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal(40), Pnc-Heal/+End(40)
Level 41: Power Boost -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 44: Teleport -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Combat Teleport -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Fold Space -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 1: Supremacy 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(50)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(33)
Level 1: Punk 
Level 1: Arsonist 
Level 26: Bruiser 
Level 12: Enforcer 
Level 14: Speed Phase 
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ArchmageMC

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The issue with Enflame is that it doesn't work. It lasts a minute and thats it. The other abilities are fine, but enflame? nope.

I'd like to try to fit some kind of flying into this build myself. Although I need to find a single power to remove to get Burnout, and I'm not sure if I should have Scorp shield or not though, as it brings me way over Incarnate cap for S/L/E which would be some decent DDR, but even removing that still need 1 other thing removed for burnout. Good news, burnout will be around 400 sec cooldown. xD

My current attempt at a build.
 

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This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.2.17
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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Time Manipulation
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs -- SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(3), SlbAll-Build%(3), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(5), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(5), SlbAll-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Time Crawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Temporal Mending -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(9), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(9), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(11), Prv-Heal(13)
Level 4: Time's Juncture -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(13), DarWtcDsp-Rchg/EndRdx(15), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(15)
Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(17), Rct-Def/EndRdx(17), Rct-Def(19), Rct-ResDam%(19)
Level 12: Call Enforcer -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(21), AchHee-ResDeb%(23), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg(23), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Distortion Field -- UnbCns-Dam%(A), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(25), GldNet-Dam%(27), NrnSht-Acc/Hold/Rchg(27), NrnSht-Dam%(29), IceMisTrmt-+ColdDmg(29)
Level 18: Gang War -- SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(A), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(33), EdcoftheM-PetDef(33)
Level 20: Tactics -- AdjTrg-ToHit(A), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(33), AdjTrg-EndRdx/Rchg(34), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(34), AdjTrg-ToHit/Rchg(34)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(36), UnbGrd-Max HP%(36), UnbGrd-ResDam(36), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(37)
Level 26: Call Bruiser -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(37), SvrRgh-PetResDam(37), SlbAll-Dmg/EndRdx(39), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), ExpStr-Dam%(39)
Level 28: Farsight -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(40), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(40), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40), RedFrt-Def(42), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(42), Rct-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Fly -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 38: Chrono Shift -- Pnc-Heal(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(43), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(43), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(45), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(45)
Level 41: Web Envelope -- GrvAnc-Acc/Rchg(A), GrvAnc-Acc/Immob/Rchg(45), GrvAnc-Hold%(46), GrvAnc-Immob/Rchg(46), GrvAnc-Immob/EndRdx(46)
Level 44: Power Boost -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Slowed Response -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), ShlBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(48), ShlBrk-%Dam(48)
Level 49: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(50), Rct-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(7)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 50: Born In Battle
Level 50: High Pain Threshold
Level 50: Invader
Level 50: Marshal
Level 26: Bruiser's Fury
Level 1: Punk
Level 1: Arsonist
Level 26: Bruiser
Level 12: Enforcer
Level 47: Afterburner
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Onlyasandwich

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2 minutes ago, ArchmageMC said:

It lasts a minute and thats it.

Enflame works well enough! You do have to recast it, but then again you have to keep clicking attacks if you want them to work as well. : )

 

That being said, I don't know that I'd pick it on a Mastermind, given the low ranged damage modifier and baseline end struggles of MM's to begin with. If you have end to spare and are going sorcery anyhow, it adds noticeable DPS, and won't cause much chaos in most cases.

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I use enflame on another build, I just make it a part of my rotation to press once every 60 seconds, i treat it as a buff more than a toggle. But that's far from a make or break in any build. Its nice if you like it, doesn't hurt if you don't. Depends on style and personal preference really.

 

About your build - only major thing I see is you are overcapped on defense. You could drop Scorp shield entirely if you wanted to. But it should be fine. Your resists are a bit low for my taste but that's personal choice. Your END is a little tight too, so you will be popping blues or have to use ageless now and then. Aside from those I see no glaring issues or problems.

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Updated again, I think this is more towards the final version. Got over 50% S/L res.

 

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This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.2.17
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Time Manipulation
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs -- SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(3), SlbAll-Build%(3), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(5), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(5), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(7)
Level 1: Time Crawl -- ImpSwf-Dam%(A)
Level 2: Temporal Mending -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(9), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(11), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(13), Prv-Heal(13)
Level 4: Time's Juncture -- DmpSpr-ToHitDeb(A), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/Rchg(15), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(15), DmpSpr-Rchg/EndRdx(17), DmpSpr-ToHitDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(50)
Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(17)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(19), Rct-Def/EndRdx(19), Rct-Def(21)
Level 12: Call Enforcer -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(23), AchHee-ResDeb%(23), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(25), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(25)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Distortion Field -- NrnSht-Acc/Rchg(A), NrnSht-Hold/Rng(27), ImpSwf-Dam%(27), ImpSwf-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(29)
Level 18: Gang War -- SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(A), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(31), EdcoftheM-PetDef(33)
Level 20: Tactics -- AdjTrg-ToHit(A), AdjTrg-Rchg(33), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(33), AdjTrg-EndRdx/Rchg(34), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(34), AdjTrg-ToHit/Rchg(34)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(36), UnbGrd-Max HP%(36), UnbGrd-ResDam(36), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(37)
Level 26: Call Bruiser -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(37), SvrRgh-PetResDam(37), SlbAll-Dmg/EndRdx(39), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), ExpStr-Dam%(39)
Level 28: Farsight -- Rct-Def/EndRdx(A), Rct-ResDam%(40), Rct-Def/Rchg(40), Rct-Def(40), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 30: Fly -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(42), Rct-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 38: Chrono Shift -- Pnc-Heal(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(43), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(43), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(45), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(45)
Level 41: Web Envelope -- TraoftheH-Dam%(A), TraoftheH-Acc/Rchg(45), TraoftheH-Acc/Immob/Rchg(46), TraoftheH-Acc/EndRdx(46), TraoftheH-EndRdx/Immob(46)
Level 44: Power Boost -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Slowed Response -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), ShlBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(48), ShlBrk-%Dam(48)
Level 49: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(50), Rct-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(7), Mrc-Rcvry+(9)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 50: Born In Battle
Level 50: High Pain Threshold
Level 50: Invader
Level 50: Marshal
Level 26: Bruiser's Fury
Level 1: Punk
Level 1: Arsonist
Level 26: Bruiser
Level 12: Enforcer
Level 30: Afterburner
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