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After a very long pandemic-induced wait and worries about cancellation,the back 9 episodes of What If...? drop for Christmas.

...and yes, Tony is wearing a Santa outfit. Because there's a Christmas episode.

 

like this series because it gives writers absolutely free rein to play with everything in the Marvel toybox, invent some new toys, and even break some of it. As well as the promised Haudenosaunee NA-dubbed episode - which I've been looking forward to as a Thor-meets-Prey kinda deal, we get T'Challa's dad, Hank Pym and the OG Wasp teaming up, what looks like Sakaar-based Wacky Races, and a few more surprising things I can't identify. 

 

But there are far better nerds than me here who may be able to...

 

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  On 11/15/2023 at 10:56 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

After a very long pandemic-induced wait and worries about cancellation,the back 9 episodes of What If...? drop for Christmas.

...and yes, Tony is wearing a Santa outfit. Because there's a Christmas episode.

 

like this series because it gives writers absolutely free rein to play with everything in the Marvel toybox, invent some new toys, and even break some of it. As well as the promised Haudenosaunee NA-dubbed episode - which I've been looking forward to as a Thor-meets-Prey kinda deal, we get T'Challa's dad, Hank Pym and the OG Wasp teaming up, what looks like Sakaar-based Wacky Races, and a few more surprising things I can't identify. 

 

But there are far better nerds than me here who may be able to...

 

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They had me at "What...

 

While I assume everyone will watch the trailer if they're hanging out here, I'll still take a moment to point out I'm deep diving, so there will be a lot of spoiler-ish talk (or at least guesses).

 

The Pym-Captain Marvel-Winter Soldier-Black Panther team-up appears to be going after a Peter Quill whose Ego powers unlocked at his mother's death.  (Just a guess, I've no info on this season).  The Winter Soldier is an interesting twist.  I'm wondering if he's still fully Hydra and Alexander Pierce played some particularly good cards to fool Pym into thinking WS was a very special S.H.I.E.L.D. agent.  Also, there's one additional teammate with them @ 0:24.  Male, in what looks to be a Pym suit, but white with blue.  This is Goliath, that is, Bill Foster.  We've only seen his human face in Ant-Man and the Wasp.  At 0:41 we see the new team again, and an older Peggy appears to be in charge of them.  A grey haired, mustached gentleman in a suit is also with them.  Not sure which one of about 4 characters that come to mind he is, but I'm really hoping it is Mobius. (It's probably General Ross).

 

Looks like Hela is back, appearing in the dark-storm second sequence.  I'm not certain, but this may be tied to...

1. The sequence with another version of Wanda working red magic in front of what appear to be Thor, Warriors Three member Fandral, and someone on a horse wielding the Loki staff weapon.  It's not really clear to me who that is, though Loki would be the obvious choice.

 

2. The sequences involving Shang-Chi's dragon, and eventually his father and either his mother or aunt.  At one point they appear to square off again Odin while seemingly tossing Asgardians like ragdolls, before Odin returns the favor.   I note the color tone of the background appears to be orange.

 

I feel like the "Wacky Racers" episode (I wonder how many know that reference) is going to be this season's playful episode parallel to Thor's party world episode.

 

There's a brief sequence with Infinity War Steve Rogers using his two Wakandan buckler shields to try to undo the Infinity Stones in Thanos' guantlet, specifically the yellow Mind Stone, so presumably this is the moment after Vision is destroyed.

 

Next a brief, confusing sequence that seems to show Ant-Man in partial Medieval garb fighting Fandral (?) in Asgard, followed by a bearded Hulk and a bearded Steve Rogers joining in on the swordplay and mayhem, so maybe this is a continuation of that Thanos moment, and Roger's attack on the guantlet altered reality or time?  I note that the background is red.  Now that I've gotten to this point, I feel the Wanda sequence may be tied to this, due to the colors and the Asgardian stuff

 

Then everyone seems to want to get into the chaos as we see Gamora in a combat scene with Grandmaster's right-hand being Topaz behind her. Rocket comes into the fray but seems more like a spare-parts being as he sports even more extensive cybernetics, and what appears to be Lila's otter tail.  Within the same sequence appear to be Shang-Chi warriors and Dark Elves, then a somewhat sinister looking Doctor Strange portals in.  I presume all these bits are part of the same story as the background in each is done in dark aqua colors.  Not sure if aqua is intended, or if it is blue or green.

 

I'm noting these background colors because with the sequence of Steve Rogers attacking the guantlet, I'm wondering if whatever happens triggers each of the stones and certain stories play out under the influence of the stones: orange for soul, red for reality, aqua for...well, not sure...maybe a mix of the green time and blue space stones?  The trailer ends with what appears to be a Captain Carter wearing partial medieval garb and trying to aid someone in a portal, someone with a Loki staff.  The background is green, so, time stone?

 

So I'm getting the feel that possibly half the season, at least, might be an attempt to rectify the damage caused by Steve Roger's attack on Thanos' guantlet, possibly forcing everyone to work their way through the stones' various fields of influence.  That said, if I remember correctly, first seasons trailers only showed details from the first half of the season, allowing complete surprise in the second half.  Perhaps this season is the same.

 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:11 AM, Techwright said:

The Pym-Captain Marvel-Winter Soldier-Black Panther team-up appears to be going after a Peter Quill whose Ego powers unlocked at his mother's death. 

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Interesting. Had not considered that possibility. I was too busy trying to think of which Mutant they might be facing off against as characters from the various X series are slowly being folded into the DisneyVerse. The T-shirt is probably the tell, but I don't recognize the Dolores River reference.  The look isn't quite right for anyone I could think of though. 🤷‍♂️

 

I suppose I should start catching up on these things at some point. 🤣

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  On 11/16/2023 at 3:04 AM, InvaderStych said:

 

Interesting. Had not considered that possibility. I was too busy trying to think of which Mutant they might be facing off against as characters from the various X series are slowly being folded into the DisneyVerse. The T-shirt is probably the tell, but I don't recognize the Dolores River reference.  The look isn't quite right for anyone I could think of though. 🤷‍♂️

 

I suppose I should start catching up on these things at some point. 🤣

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Yeah, I struggled with trying to determine who it was, but finally realized with a young Pym involved, it was the right time for Peter Quill the child.  Add in that he used telekinesis to bring a raccoon prize doll to him, and it makes sense..  Also, and I didn't know this when I wrote the original comment, farther on in the trailer is a very brief glimpse of a young Ego himself, so not only is Peter activating early, but Dad's searched him out himself.  It's likely a nod to that scene in the first season when an admittedly older Peter is mopping at the Dairy Queen and is approached by Ego.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:11 AM, Techwright said:

The Pym-Captain Marvel-Winter Soldier-Black Panther team-up appears to be going after a Peter Quill whose Ego powers unlocked at his mother's death.  (Just a guess, I've no info on this season).

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I thought it was a bit more of a crossover... (Spoiler below...)

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Now on to some wild speculation and/or actual spoilery leaks, upon which we may hang more wildly inaccurate posturing.

The episode titles for S2 (or S1pt2, or whatever) are said to be:

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  On 11/17/2023 at 9:06 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

Now on to some wild speculation and/or actual spoilery leaks, upon which we may hang more wildly inaccurate posturing.

The episode titles for S2 (or S1pt2, or whatever) are said to be:

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Going Orange in Hidden Contents for this.

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  On 11/18/2023 at 1:42 AM, Techwright said:

Trying to remember: is this a completely new character, never been a part of any Marvel product before?

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Not-entirely-spoiler: Kahhori is all new. I remember in the last versh of this thread we had this 'splainer handy...

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/what-if-kahhori-new-super-hero

 

Whether or not she arrives in live-action is another question, but I guess it depends on how this ep goes down with everybody - and, of course, if they can find an appealing story to tell. (Prey's fantastic Amber Midthunder immediately springs to mind, though she's Sioux, not Mohawk, or Devery Jacobs, who's Canadian Mohawk and is appearing in the upcoming Echo.)

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Addressing a point from the orange spoilery one...

 

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  On 11/20/2023 at 2:19 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Addressing a point from the orange spoilery one...

 

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Why is it that the first thing beneficent, advanced alien races do when contacting lesser races is...

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Final teaser is up:

 

...neeeever liked Justin Hammer as an antagonist, maybe he'll be funnier in cartoon form. Other than that, we see Peg being shown Loki's World Tree (so, yup, it's all connected... and the baubles look like a fairly rough after-edit), medieval Ant-Man, and some other tiny treats. 

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  On 12/16/2023 at 7:07 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

...neeeever liked Justin Hammer as an antagonist, maybe he'll be funnier in cartoon form. Other than that, we see Peg being shown Loki's World Tree (so, yup, it's all connected... and the baubles look like a fairly rough after-edit), medieval Ant-Man, and some other tiny treats. 

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Well, hang on to your hat then, 'cause it's said that Justin Hammer will be one of the big antagonists against Rhodey in the MCU's Armor Wars.  That's assuming of course that it doesn't get the Disney axe.  Last I heard it was coming out after Iron Heart and probably won't show for another 3 years.  (They really need to consider that their actors' age.  Pushing projects years into the future for current actors is troublesome, unless they anticipate replacing all actors at some point.)

 

I appreciate that you use "World Tree" and not "Yggdrasil" in your comment.  I'm probably the only one on the planet who stubbornly points out that Yggdrasil was the connective tissue for the 9 Realms, NOT the multi-verse.  But people rushed to name Loki's creation as "Yggdrasil" completely forgetting that in the MCU canonically, Yggdrasil already existed in the form I described, and was talked about by Thor.  I've not seen it, but I suspect the MCU creators even have called Loki's creation "Yggdrasil".  I find the term "World Tree" a bit better, though "Worlds' Tree" or "Multiverse Tree" would probably be better still.  Thank you for you time. (*Gets off soapbox.*)

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  On 12/18/2023 at 3:13 AM, Techwright said:

But people rushed to name Loki's creation as "Yggdrasil" completely forgetting that in the MCU canonically, Yggdrasil already existed in the form I described, and was talked about by Thor. 

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...or did it?

 

If Loki's magic created a World Tree to weave together all of time and space, its existence would extend far back into the past, as well as into the future to the end of time.

The Asgardians may have discovered their technomagic allowed them to traverse it, though they might not be quite sure why... they'd never know it was Asgardian magic.

 

I wonder if Odin the All-Seeing knew what his adoptive son (or a variant) would eventually become?

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  On 12/18/2023 at 10:13 AM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

...or did it?

 

If Loki's magic created a World Tree to weave together all of time and space, its existence would extend far back into the past, as well as into the future to the end of time.

The Asgardians may have discovered their technomagic allowed them to traverse it, though they might not be quite sure why... they'd never know it was Asgardian magic.

 

I wonder if Odin the All-Seeing knew what his adoptive son (or a variant) would eventually become?

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Interesting thought, but Thor did state Yggdrasil bound together the 9 realms.  Nothing more. 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 3:21 AM, Techwright said:

Yeah, I struggled with trying to determine who it was, but finally realized with a young Pym involved, it was the right time for Peter Quill the child.

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Circling back to this because I'm currently rolling through S1. I think you are right - of course if the episodes are out then I guess the answer is too and this post could be pointless ( 🤣 ), but I digress - because ...

 

... s1 info below:

 

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Rolling into the new episodes and just wanting to say…

holy hellfire, anyone else want to see Gillan in a full series of CSI: Xandar, or a proper hard-boiled spy/detective flick? Plus all the Blade Runner stuff and new music? Yes. Yes, we like this a lot. Complete break to do a whole other kind of story with familiar characters.
 

Slightly less sure about Ep2. You kind of know where it’s going from the moment Hope comes to work with Dad, but worth it for the gags, the possibility of Bucky going full Batman in a later series, and the Avengers ‘88 Walkdown Of Badassery. Complete with Peggy, Hank, Howard, and that very fine ginger member upfront…

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Episode 3: yeah, we gotcha Die Hard jokes, cameos from everybody (including “Chuckles the Elf”, if you’ve got subtitles on), and a boatload of solid wisecracks.


But like every good kid’s Christmas book, have your pause button on standby to look at the background (and watch through the credits), especially in the armoury and the Avengers Werk Room. And I wonder who they’d need that yellow reel for…?

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Ep4: Lots of flash, good fun, not 100% memorable, easily spotted Gamora’s arc but kinda works. 

 

Ep5: do love me a Peggy episode. Not as solid as her first outing, though the training village was a properly creepy little idea. And the 1602 setup was fun: even Uatu gets surprised by chaos magick. Whether or not the plot runs the same with Peg thrown in the mix is a whole other story, to be told another time. (Well, couple of days’ time.)

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  On 12/23/2023 at 10:26 AM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

holy hellfire, anyone else want to see Gillan in a full series of CSI: Xandar, or a proper hard-boiled spy/detective flick?

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Yes, but only ...

 

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On to ep 2 later this week.

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Ep6: Enjoyed Kahhori’s episode, definitely something we’ve not seen before, but might well see again.

 

Ep7: maybe the weakest so far plotwise and the dialogue noticeably creaks, but still highly enjoyable, and Annoyed Blanchett is great. 
 

Ep8: no wonder the whole voice cast came back for this one, bar RDJ and Evans. Less the dark medieval universe of Gaiman’s 1602 than Avengers: Men In Tights, but a ridiculous amount of fun. And a not-quite-cliffhanger for our finale… what is Strange up to now? And once someone is aware they’re being Watched, do they have to listen to them monologue the whole damn time?

 

Ep9: pulling the face/heel so early in the episode was a giveaway, though I get why: they had to make room for all of the cameos (hi again, Cate, though you need a new intro line) and the end battle felt like they were throwing literally everything they could find at each other (no pool table, but I guess Strange isn’t a grav controller). 
 

And we end on Peg taking a scenic route home - and the promise of more stories to come.

 

So… Season Three, anyone?

That looks like David Harbour's Red Guardian pulling a Fear And Idiocy in Las Vegas road trip with Bucky...

…and do my ears deceive me or is that Larry “Cowboy Curtis” Fishburne taking a random guest shot?

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