Fire/Ice questions...

[BurtHutt]

So, I don't see too many posts for this combo. I've never really gotten into this combo especially Ice Armor. Is this a good combo? It doesn't seem to lend to RES and seems like a more DEF armour set. I tried a build which is viable but not cheap....at all... I'd love to hear your opinions and maybe share some builds.

Brute - Fiery Melee - Ice Armor (1).mbd

[GamingDru2]

My first 50 was a Fire/Ice tank and later an Ice/Fire tank became my main on another server. I thoroughly loved him and enjoyed playing those powersets very much.

 

I don't know how things have changed on Homecoming stats-wise, tho. I think I read fire melee got tuned down? Maybe? Idk. Your mileage my vary on HC servers with changes but again, I really enjoyed him.

 

(Remember, Energy Absorption is +DEF, too.)

[Fritter Chicken]

Here, try this on for sheer levels of WILL YOU FRAGGING DIE ALREADY

 

Villain Brute
Build plan made with Mids' Reborn v3.6.6 rev. 3
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• Primary powerset: Fiery Melee
• Secondary powerset: Ice Armor
• Pool powerset (#1): Experimentation
• Pool powerset (#2): Leaping
• Pool powerset (#3): Fighting
• Pool powerset (#4): Flight
• Ancillary powerset: Soul Mastery
  

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Powers taken:

Level 1: Fire Sword

• A: Hecatomb: Chance of Damage(Negative)
• 13: Hecatomb: Damage/Endurance
• 15: Hecatomb: Recharge/Accuracy
• 15: Hecatomb: Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
• 21: Hecatomb: Damage/Recharge
  

Level 1: Frozen Armor

• A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• 3: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Increased Run Speed
• 3: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Endurance
• 5: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Endurance/Recharge
• 9: Kismet: Accuracy +6%
  

Level 2: Hoarfrost

• A: Unbreakable Guard: +Max HP
• 5: Aegis: Resistance/Recharge
• 7: Aegis: Endurance/Recharge
• 7: Aegis: Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• 50: Numina's Convalesence: Heal
• 50: Numina's Convalesence: Heal/Recharge
  

Level 4: Chilling Embrace

• A: Ice Mistral's Torment: Chance for Cold Damage
• 9: Ice Mistral's Torment: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• 11: Ice Mistral's Torment: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• 11: Ice Mistral's Torment: Damage/Slow
• 13: Ice Mistral's Torment: Damage/Recharge
  

Level 6: Build Up

• A: Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control: Chance for Build Up
  

Level 8: Incinerate

• A: Superior Blistering Cold: Recharge/Chance for Hold
• 21: Superior Blistering Cold: Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
• 23: Superior Blistering Cold: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• 23: Superior Blistering Cold: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• 33: Superior Blistering Cold: Damage/Endurance
• 33: Superior Blistering Cold: Accuracy/Damage
  

Level 10: Wet Ice

• A: Invention: Endurance Reduction
  

Level 12: Speed of Sound

• A: Blessing of the Zephyr: Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
  

Level 14: Taunt

• A: Perfect Zinger: Chance for Psi Damage
  

Level 16: Glacial Armor

• A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• 17: Shield Wall: +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
• 17: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Increased Run Speed
• 19: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Endurance
• 19: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Endurance/Recharge
  

Level 18: Combat Jumping

• A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  

Level 20: Energy Absorption

• A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• 34: Reactive Defenses: Scaling Resist Damage
• 34: Preemptive Optimization: EndMod/Endurance
• 34: Preemptive Optimization: EndMod/Accuracy/Endurance
  

Level 22: Fire Sword Circle

• A: Superior Avalanche: Recharge/Chance for Knockdown
• 36: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• 36: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• 36: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• 37: Superior Avalanche: Damage/Endurance
• 37: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage
  

Level 24: Permafrost

• A: Steadfast Protection: Resistance/+Def 3%
• 25: Gladiator's Armor: TP Protection +3% Def (All)
• 25: Impervious Skin: Status Resistance/Regeneration
• 27: Aegis: Resistance/Endurance
• 27: Aegis: Resistance
• 29: Aegis: Psionic/Status Resistance
  

Level 26: Greater Fire Sword

• A: Superior Brute's Fury: Recharge/Fury Bonus
• 37: Superior Brute's Fury: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• 39: Superior Brute's Fury: Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
• 39: Superior Brute's Fury: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• 39: Superior Brute's Fury: Accuracy/Damage
• 40: Superior Brute's Fury: Damage/Recharge
  

Level 28: Icicles

• A: Fury of the Gladiator: Chance for Res Debuff
• 29: Superior Unrelenting Fury: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
• 31: Superior Unrelenting Fury: RechargeTime/+Regen/+End
• 31: Superior Unrelenting Fury: Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
• 31: Superior Unrelenting Fury: Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
• 33: Superior Unrelenting Fury: Accuracy/Damage
  

Level 30: Experimental Injection

• A: Power Transfer: Chance to Heal Self
  

Level 32: Corrosive Vial

• A: Superior Frozen Blast: Recharge/Chance for Immobilize
• 40: Superior Frozen Blast: Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
• 40: Superior Frozen Blast: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• 42: Superior Frozen Blast: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• 42: Superior Frozen Blast: Damage/Endurance
• 42: Superior Frozen Blast: Accuracy/Damage
  

Level 35: Kick

• A: Force Feedback: Chance for +Recharge
  

Level 38: Tough

• A: Aegis: Resistance/Endurance
• 43: Aegis: Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• 43: Aegis: Resistance
  

Level 41: Weave

• A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• 43: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Increased Run Speed
• 45: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Endurance
• 45: Gift of the Ancients: Defense/Endurance/Recharge
  

Level 44: Gloom

• A: Superior Winter's Bite: Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge
• 45: Superior Winter's Bite: Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
• 46: Superior Winter's Bite: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• 46: Superior Winter's Bite: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• 46: Superior Winter's Bite: Damage/RechargeTime
• 48: Superior Winter's Bite: Accuracy/Damage
  

Level 47: Darkest Night

• A: Dark Watcher's Despair: To Hit Debuff/Endurance
• 48: Dark Watcher's Despair: Recharge/Endurance
• 48: Dark Watcher's Despair: To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance
• 50: Dark Watcher's Despair: To Hit Debuff/Recharge
  

Level 49: Hibernate

• A: Preventive Medicine: Chance for +Absorb
  

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Inherents:

Level 1: Brawl

• (Empty)
  

Level 1: Fury

Level 1: Sprint

• (Empty)
  

Level 2: Rest

• (Empty)
  

Level 1: Swift

• A: Invention: Run Speed
  

Level 1: Health

• A: Numina's Convalesence: +Regeneration/+Recovery
  

Level 1: Hurdle

• A: Invention: Jumping
  

Level 1: Stamina

• A: Invention: Endurance Modification
  

Level 12: Jaunt

 

Brute - Fire - Ice - Soul - R1.mbd

[BurtHutt]

Thanks for the replies. I think the RES on Ice Armor is a bit too low. I may try a set that has better RES and ok DEF.

 

Do you guys play ice armor a lot?

[GamingDru2]

I feel that Ice Armor is the red-headed stepchild of +DEF. I also feel it's underappreciated and suspect I'll be taking a crack at seeing what I can do to maximize it, as a personal goal. I do take the fighting pool and will get addition IO set bonuses and perhaps -tohit and anything else I can to beef up the mitigation.

 

The PBAoE dmg toggle, +END bar max refill, +Max HP/Heal, -Rechg/-DMG of Chilling Embrace (still damage mitigation)... IDK, I think there's a lot there that I'd like to give a chance to shine.

 

I have many meta picks, I'm enjoying picking less played picks lately.

 

 

Extra resource JIC:

 

https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Ice_Armor

[BurtHutt]

In my first/OP, I included a mostly softcap to DEF build. It is expensive. I haven't gone ahead with it as I am wondering how well a melee toon, with high DEF and meh RES, would fare. Maybe I should run around on test (which I've never done and don't really want to).

 

Red headed step child is definitely a term...

[GamingDru2]

Yeah, I feel ya. I'm gonna give it a go either way. I've checked this thread on my phone in bed only and haven't remembered to load it into Mids when I'm at my PC.

 

I'll try a build tomorrow and see what the numbers I get are. I'm by no means a pro builder but I think I can muddle something decent up.

 

Yeah, it's an older saying, for sure. Perhaps not the most sensitive now that I think of it. 😒