should a -3, light grey con, minion aggro?

[Ridiculous Girl]

i have a question... 

 

says it all in the title... i was running around on a low level toon, troller specifically, and noticed that light grey con minions would attack me. so i went around and tested it out. yes, solitary and small group -3 minions would attack. it was not because i had an aura, or anything taunting, nor were there green LTs nearby that group aggroed. i am talking defenders and trollers here, between lvls 6-10, attracting -3 minions. -4 LTs that con the same light grey, do not aggro. just -3 minions... i thought all grey conning mobs did not aggro.

 

is this normal? i cannot find in the wiki why this would be the case, it's the only light grey mob that seems to aggro and i could not decide if it was normal or bears further investigating.

Edited Sunday at 04:27 PM by Ridiculous Girl
added something :)

[PoptartsNinja]

They agro because bosses of that level would agro. At -3 minion is gray, but a -3 boss would be blue; likewise a -4 boss would be green.

[Ridiculous Girl]

4 minutes ago, PoptartsNinja said:

They agro because bosses of that level would agro. At -3 minion is gray, but a -3 boss would be blue; likewise a -4 boss would be green.

they're solitary... no other mobs around. light grey -4 LTs do not aggro...

Edited Sunday at 04:36 PM by Ridiculous Girl
added something :)

[PoptartsNinja]

Doesn't matter. Even if there are no bosses in the spawn, a boss of that level would attack you so the minions do too.

[Ridiculous Girl]

1 minute ago, PoptartsNinja said:

Doesn't matter. Even if there are no bosses in the spawn, a boss of that level would attack you so the minions do too.

-4 grays do not either... not minions, not LTs... that would leave a green boss.

[PoptartsNinja]

I could've sworn the -4s still did.

There's a cutoff where mobs still give appreciable (if small) amounts of experience, and that cutoff has always been -3 or -4 to +4 or +5. I'm sorry, it's been so long since I've thought about any of this that forget the exact cutoffs.

 

There's a hard limit on mob xp to keep anyone from sidekicking (back before it was team-wide level adjustment) vs. +7 mobs and earning millions of bonus XP. Likewise, mobs below a certain level are considered too weak to be a challenge--but the OG devs also didn't want to punish people for finishing off a mission they'd outleveled as long as they were only a level or two ahead of it.

Edited Sunday at 04:48 PM by PoptartsNinja

[Ridiculous Girl]

9 minutes ago, PoptartsNinja said:

There's a cutoff where mobs still give appreciable (if small) amounts of experience, and that cutoff has always been -3 or -4 to +4 or +5. I'm sorry, it's been so long since I've thought about any of this that forget the exact cutoffs.

it's between -4 and 5

 

that's why it's so weird and i am asking.  i jut thought it was weird that i started poking around... 🙂

[Rudra]

A -3 minion will still award XP and inf'. A -4 minion will not. So the -3 aggroes whereas the -4 does not. It's basically a question of relative threat. At -3, they are still a (minor) threat, but at -4 they are not. Yes, it is an arbitrary level setting since even at -3 the mobs aren't really going to pose any difficulty for anyone except in large numbers, but it is normal for -3s to aggro.

[Ridiculous Girl]

27 minutes ago, Rudra said:

A -3 minion will still award XP and inf'. A -4 minion will not. So the -3 aggroes whereas the -4 does not. It's basically a question of relative threat. At -3, they are still a (minor) threat, but at -4 they are not. Yes, it is an arbitrary level setting since even at -3 the mobs aren't really going to pose any difficulty for anyone except in large numbers, but it is normal for -3s to aggro.

i just tried it again, with a lvl 6 mind/energy dom... lvl 2, -4 mobs, minions and LTs still give EXP, not much, but XP nonethless. but as i am saying -4 minions (con dark grey) and LTs (con light grey) do not aggro. -3 minions do, solo or in groups. logically with the con level of the -4 LTs they should aggro too, but do not.

 

i am just wondering why? seriously, it's rather odd.

[Rudra]

32 minutes ago, Ridiculous Girl said:

i just tried it again, with a lvl 6 mind/energy dom... lvl 2, -4 mobs, minions and LTs still give EXP, not much, but XP nonethless. but as i am saying -4 minions (con dark grey) and LTs (con light grey) do not aggro. -3 minions do, solo or in groups. logically with the con level of the -4 LTs they should aggro too, but do not.

 

i am just wondering why? seriously, it's rather odd.

There had to be a cutoff somewhere otherwise you wind up with a game like WoW where level 2 wolves are attacking your level 40 anything. And no matter where that cutoff is, it is going to be arbitrary. In CoX's case, -3 mobs are the cutoff. (Except for Underlings which are -2 or the rest of group aggroes.) The point where they still have a better than 1 in 3 chance of hitting you (before enhancements). The cutoff makes sense to me to be there looking at base accuracy as affected by level difference, but it is still basically an arbitrary value.

[Ultimo]

It's also possible to aggro them with a taunt aura.

[Rudra]

2 hours ago, Ultimo said:

It's also possible to aggro them with a taunt aura.

Sure, but that works for all enemies in the game regardless of level difference.

[Ridiculous Girl]

3 hours ago, Ultimo said:

It's also possible to aggro them with a taunt aura.

the reason i brought it up was that i was on a level 6-10 troller running around mercy... and i was certain that grey con enemies did not aggro. apparently not... 🙂