Expanding Praetorian Content

[Darmian]

16 minutes ago, Rudra said:

You are making my point for me. Because that means that the Midnighters of Primal Earth have no reason to bother with Night Ward because they already have their own concerns with the Rikti, the spirit realm of Primal Earth, and the Circle of Thorns. Further, Hamidon has no stated interest in the realm of the dead. So as far as anyone retreating to Night Ward to escape Hamidon? They are now perfectly safe from him and the Devouring Earth of Praetoria. On the other hand, the Drudges very much care about the living being present in Night Ward and are quite eager to render your character (edit: and any fleeing First Worders) into the correct state to be there: deceased. And that is even before you get to the point that I made and has still not been addressed, that the Praetorian story, for Praetorian characters, still doesn't even get to the war. So how are you going to just jump past the war straight to the refugee Praetorians from Hamidon's onslaught now living on Primal Earth

I was simply stating Night Ward is both Praetorian and Spirit realm so I don't know what point I'm making for you. I'm not sure why we're talking about the Midnighters since Praetoria has its own version of them. I think the Primals might have at least an academic interest though! As when War Witch points out that a book missing from the Praetorian one could be found in Primal, it's quite possible the reverse is also true for other things.

 

Agreed. Hamidon has no interest in this zone. However Hamidon describes itself, it's very much a living thing.

 

The Drudges' biggest issue isn't the living being there but that they have lost the ability to send souls further. They're dangerous and can kill you but might also deal with you.

 

Yep, agreed. The story doesn't get to the War.  Which is weird because you get all the build up to the War before the Rift mission at level 20 and then if you go to First Ward... crickets.

 

I'm also maybe one of the few people advocating that expansion of the Praetorian story can occur pre War. I'd be happy to see that. Might need some tweaking of the levels so as not to bypass contacts.

 

I don't think we're entirely disagreeing here! Just on maybe different approaches.

 

 

[Rudra]

23 minutes ago, Darmian said:

I was simply stating Night Ward is both Praetorian and Spirit realm so I don't know what point I'm making for you.

Night Ward is a separate dimension. It is the spirit realm where part of First Ward merged with it. That part of First Ward is no longer part of Praetoria itself, it is now part of the spirit realm. This is stated repeatedly across the Night Ward missions.

 

25 minutes ago, Darmian said:

I'm not sure why we're talking about the Midnighters since Praetoria has its own version of them.

Because a comment was made earlier in the thread that the Primal Earth Midnighters would help evacuate the Night Ward Midnighters. Who have no reason to be evacuated.

 

26 minutes ago, Darmian said:

As when War Witch points out that a book missing from the Praetorian one could be found in Primal, it's quite possible the reverse is also true for other things.

Which is my point. They are separate dimensions. Not temporal divergences like was argued earlier by someone else.

 

29 minutes ago, Darmian said:

The Drudges' biggest issue isn't the living being there but that they have lost the ability to send souls further. They're dangerous and can kill you but might also deal with you.

Only partially true. The Drudges are upset that their ability to move souls along their way is disrupted, yes. However, if you listen to the comments and read what is going on in several missions, they are also upset that the living are showing up in the spirit realm. And they very much work to rectify that every time they meet your character. (Except in specific missions where the leadership learns to leave you alone or else.)

 

31 minutes ago, Darmian said:

Yep, agreed. The story doesn't get to the War.  Which is weird because you get all the build up to the War before the Rift mission at level 20 and then if you go to First Ward... crickets.

Not so weird. The preparations for the war are happening in secure locations of Praetoria. When you get the mission to go to Primal Earth at level 20, that is the end of the Praetorian side of the story for the war at this time. When you go to First Ward, you are going to an area abandoned to the Hamidon by Emperor Cole where he sends people to be disappeared and let DUST practice freely out of view. There is no reason for any war related content in First Ward because of that fact. Add in the other shenanigans going on like the Talons of Vengeance being set free, and First Ward has much greater concerns than an invasion Emperor Cole may be planning on another dimension. As your character is told when asked to go to First Ward, everyone there is already just trying to survive. No one has time to care about anything happening back at the BAF or Lambda facility.

 

37 minutes ago, Darmian said:

I'm also maybe one of the few people advocating that expansion of the Praetorian story can occur pre War. I'd be happy to see that. Might need some tweaking of the levels so as not to bypass contacts.

 

I don't think we're entirely disagreeing here! Just on maybe different approaches.

I don't have issues with more Praetorian content being added. I never did. I only care that any new content not ignore or skip existing story like keeps getting asked. For instance, asking to just be able to go to the RWZ and do the Last Bastion arc. Praetorians haven't even gotten to the fall of Praetoria, let alone after when Hamidon turns his attention to the remaining pockets of humanity. Let any new content either continue to explore pre-war content or at least get caught up to the war. Once we reach the war gold side, then we can look at content that gets players through the war. After trans-war content, then we look at post-war content like letting gold siders access Number Six and the Last Bastion arc because they will finally be caught up.