Build input for fire stalker

[TG BrainFog]

Hi everyone. I have a stupid amount of time on my hands, and had an experiment I wanted to try out. I basically never see anyone using fire powers with a stalker, so I thought I'd give it a shot. My goal is to make a viable fire/fire stalker. I'm pretty terrible with making Mids builds from scratch (the global name is no accident), so I tried looking for builds to use as a starting point to elaborate on. I found none. So I thought maybe I'd compare with a scrapper build along similar lines, and had similar results. 

 

I know the stalker set is pretty different because of hide being included, and the healing toggle existing. I know I'll have to worry about kb/kd like I would with other fiery aura types. 

 

What I was hoping was that someone might be willing to help give me a starting point with a build for me to bat around a bit, and I could make adjustments and test things and see how it goes. I don't expect it to be the toughest most amazing character ever, but I'd like to give a shot and see how well I can do with it. When I see underused build types, it feeds my desire to try to play one and do well with it. 

 

Any input would be appreciated, thanks. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by TG BrainFog

[Croax]

Ok i tried something because i never did a fire stalker before. 

 

Here is what i came up with procs and burn and consume in mind as additional damage:

 

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Level 50 Magic Stalker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- SprAssMar-Rchg/Rchg Build Up(A), KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(3), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Hide -- ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(A), Rct-ResDam%(7), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(7)
Level 2: Cremate -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(9), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Fire Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(15), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(17), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 6: Assassin's Blaze -- SprStlGl-Rchg/Hide%(A), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg(19), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), SprStlGl-Dmg/Rchg(21), SprStlGl-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 8: Build Up -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 10: Healing Flames -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(23), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(25), Prv-Heal/Rchg(25), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(27), Prv-Absorb%(27)
Level 12: Temperature Protection -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(29), GldArm-3defTpProc(29), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(31), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(31), UnbGrd-Max HP%(31)
Level 14: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(33), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(33), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 18: Breath of Fire -- Rgn-Dmg(A), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(34), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(34), Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(36)
Level 20: Consume -- PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/Rech(A), Obl-%Dam(36), Erd-%Dam(36), ScrDrv-Dam%(37), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(48), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 26: Fire Sword Circle -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(37), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(37), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Obl-%Dam(39)
Level 28: Burn -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Arm-Acc/Rchg(40), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Arm-Dam%(42), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(42)
Level 30: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(43)
Level 32: Greater Fire Sword -- Hct-Dmg(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Hct-Acc/Rchg(45), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Hct-Dam%(45), TchofDth-Dam%(46)
Level 35: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(46), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(46)
Level 38: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48)
Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Superior Conditioning -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 49: Cauterizing Blaze -- Prv-Heal/EndRdx(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(50)
Level 1: Assassination 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Quick Form 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(13), Mrc-Rcvry+(13)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(15)
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When you ignore that procs are insanely good and want to go a somewhat different route i think this would also work:

 

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Level 50 Mutation Stalker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(46), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Hide -- ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(13), Rct-ResDam%(36)
Level 2: Cremate -- SprAssMar-Rchg/Rchg Build Up(A), SprAssMar-Dmg/Rchg(11), SprAssMar-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), SprAssMar-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), SprAssMar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprAssMar-Acc/Dmg(40)
Level 4: Fire Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(17)
Level 6: Assassin's Blaze -- SprStlGl-Rchg/Hide%(A), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg(7), SprStlGl-Dmg/Rchg(7), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), SprStlGl-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 8: Build Up -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 10: Healing Flames -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(34)
Level 12: Temperature Protection -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(15), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(17), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(23)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(15)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(21), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(29), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 18: Breath of Fire -- Rgn-Dmg(A), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(19), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(29), Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(31)
Level 20: Consume -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 22: Boxing -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(40), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(40), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 24: Tough -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(25), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(25), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37), GldArm-3defTpProc(37), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(39)
Level 26: Fire Sword Circle -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(37)
Level 28: Burn -- Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Obl-%Dam(31)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31)
Level 32: Greater Fire Sword -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(34), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc(34)
Level 35: Cauterizing Blaze -- Prv-Heal/EndRdx(A), Prv-Heal(48)
Level 38: Rise of the Phoenix -- Prv-Heal/Rchg(A), Prv-Heal(50)
Level 41: Zapp -- SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(42), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(42), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(42), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Ball Lightning -- SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx(45), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(46), SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc(46)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(48)
Level 49: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 1: Assassination 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(3), Pnc-Heal/+End(5)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(3)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon 
Level 1: Quick Form 
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Remember, this builds are just theoretical. i did not test them because i don't like both of the sets. 😛

[kiramon]

I actually think the first build is pretty great - although I'd play around with the healing slotting a little bit.

[Nemu]

First thing I look at with any fire armor build is slow resist because I assume that most of the optimized builds out there will have some sort of defense softcap. I treat fire armor the same way I treat regen - if you get slowed and have little or no slow resist you will die.

 

Also cauterizing aura is junk and a total skip, I also skipped Rise cuz I'm totally uber.

 

Here's my staff/fire build as reference, it's already at the S/L softcap without guarded spin. And yeah, whirlwind. Cuz SPINNING IS WINNING.

 

Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.7.2.10
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Naoki Tengan: Level 50 Mutation Stalker
Primary Power Set: Staff Fighting
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: zc_Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Precise Strike -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(7), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(13), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc(15)
Level 1: Hide -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(33)
Level 2: Guarded Spin -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(3), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(3), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(7)
Level 4: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 6: Assassin's Staff -- SprStlGl-Rchg/Hide%(A), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg(19), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Hct-Dmg(43), Hct-Dam%(43)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 10: Fire Shield -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(11), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(11), RctArm-ResDam(13)
Level 12: Healing Flames -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(36), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(36), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(37), Pnc-Heal(37)
Level 14: Build Up -- RctRtc-ToHit(A), RctRtc-ToHit/Rchg(15), GssSynFr--Build%(46)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), RctArm-ResDam(19)
Level 18: Eye of the Storm -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A), SprStlGl-Dmg/Rchg(21), SprStlGl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), SprStlGl-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), HO:Nucle(33)
Level 20: Consume -- Erd-Acc/Rchg(A), Erd-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Erd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/Rech(39), PreOptmz-Acc/Rech(39)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(25), Ags-ResDam(25), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 26: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(27), ShlWal-Def(29), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(29)
Level 28: Burn -- SprAssMar-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAssMar-Dmg/Rchg(33), SprAssMar-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), SprAssMar-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SprAssMar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SprAssMar-Rchg/Rchg Build Up(36)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-Def(31), Rct-Def/EndRdx(31), Rct-ResDam%(31)
Level 32: Sky Splitter -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A), HO:Nucle(42), KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(48), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(48), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 35: Temperature Protection -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 38: Serpent's Reach -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(40), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(42), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(42)
Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 44: Char -- SprEnt-Acc/Hold(A), SprEnt-Hold/Rchg(45), SprEnt-End/Rchg(45), SprEnt-Acc/Hold/End(45), SprEnt-Acc/Hold/End/Rchg(46), SprEnt-Rchg/AbsorbProc(46)
Level 47: Whirlwind -- EndRdx-I(A), FrcFdb-Rechg%(50), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(50)
Level 49: Super Jump -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 1: Assassination
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Quick Form
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 1: Combo Level 1
Level 1: Combo Level 2
Level 1: Combo Level 3
Level 0: Born In Battle
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Marshal
Level 50: Vigor Core Paragon
Level 50: Pyronic Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Gravitic Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Support Core Embodiment
Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany
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[TG BrainFog]

Thanks folks! I'm going to play around with these a bit and see what pans out. This is going to be fun :)

[TG BrainFog]

So far I have this toon at 40, and he's actually pretty good. He's got a lot of AOE damage output, and nukes single targets pretty well. He's mostly set with standard IOs, and I'm working in the sets as I can get them without dumping a ton of inf into him from another toon. So far so fun.