Pain / sonic build choice: does fire/cold def matter?

Bastille Boy · October 10, 2020

I just got my Pain/Sonic defender to level 50, and I'm making choices about the final build. The original plan was to go with a Pain variant of Linea's Emp/Sonic build Strauss. This build has softcap defense to smashing/lethal, fire/cold, and energy. Resistances are decent all the time, and they are at or near hardcap when Rune is up. The build is nowhere near perma-haste. (Pain doesn't have Fortitute, so there's even less recharge than in the original.) World of Pain is always up nevertheless.

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Level 50 Natural Defender
Primary Power Set: Pain Domination
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nullify Pain -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(3), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(3)
Level 1: Shriek -- Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), SprVglAss-Rchg/+Absorb(7), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), SprVglAss-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: Soothe -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(9), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Scream -- Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg(13), SprVglAss-Dmg/Rchg(15), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 6: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 8: Enforced Morale -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Howl -- SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx(17), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(19), SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc(21)
Level 12: Soothing Aura -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(50), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(50)
Level 14: Maneuvers -- Rct-ResDam%(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(21), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(23), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(23), Ksm-ToHit+(25)
Level 16: Shout -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(25), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(29), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(29)
Level 18: World of Pain -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(31), RechRdx-I(31), RechRdx-I(33), GldArm-ResDam(45)
Level 20: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 22: Amplify -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), GssSynFr--Build%(33)
Level 24: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(A), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(34)
Level 26: Anguishing Cry -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), AnlWkn-DefDeb(45), AnlWkn-Acc/DefDeb(45), AnlWkn-Acc/Rchg(46), AnlWkn-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(46), AnlWkn-Acc/Rchg/EndRdx(46)
Level 28: Kick -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(34), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(36), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc(36)
Level 30: Tough -- Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Ags-ResDam(37), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 32: Painbringer -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Scorpion Shield -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(37), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(39)
Level 38: Dreadful Wail -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(40)
Level 41: Weave -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(42), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42)
Level 44: Spirit Ward -- Heal-I(A)
Level 47: Rune of Protection -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(48), RctArm-EndRdx/Rchg(48), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RctArm-ResDam(50)
Level 49: Conduit of Pain -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Quick Form
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(42), Mrc-Rcvry+(43)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(43), EndMod-I(43)
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I am wondering if it's worth it to invest in fire/cold defense. If I give up on fire/cold, I can get in more recharge and a -res proc on Dreadful Wail. If I give up 2.5% of S/L defense (still over soft-cap), I can get in still more recharge.

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Level 50 Natural Defender
Primary Power Set: Pain Domination
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nullify Pain -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(3), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(3), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(27), Pnc-Heal(48)
Level 1: Shriek -- Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), SprVglAss-Rchg/+Absorb(7), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), SprVglAss-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: Soothe -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(9), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Scream -- Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg(13), SprVglAss-Dmg/Rchg(15), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 6: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 8: Enforced Morale -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Howl -- SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg(A), SprDfnBst-Dmg/Rchg(17), SprDfnBst-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), SprDfnBst-Rchg/Heal%(21)
Level 12: Soothing Aura -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(50), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(50)
Level 14: Maneuvers -- Rct-ResDam%(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(21), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(23), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(23), Ksm-ToHit+(25)
Level 16: Shout -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(25), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(29), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(29)
Level 18: World of Pain -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(31), RechRdx-I(31), RechRdx-I(33), GldArm-ResDam(45)
Level 20: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 22: Amplify -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), GssSynFr--Build%(33)
Level 24: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(A), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(34)
Level 26: Anguishing Cry -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), AnlWkn-DefDeb(45), AnlWkn-Acc/DefDeb(45), AnlWkn-Acc/Rchg(46), AnlWkn-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(46), AnlWkn-Acc/Rchg/EndRdx(46)
Level 28: Kick -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(34), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(36)
Level 30: Tough -- Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Ags-ResDam(37), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 32: Painbringer -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 35: Scorpion Shield -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(37), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(39)
Level 38: Dreadful Wail -- FuroftheG-ResDeb%(A), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(39), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Arm-Acc/Rchg(40), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Arm-Dam%(40)
Level 41: Weave -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(42), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42)
Level 44: Spirit Ward -- Heal-I(A)
Level 47: Rune of Protection -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-EndRdx/Rchg(48), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RctArm-ResDam(50)
Level 49: Conduit of Pain -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Quick Form
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(42), Mrc-Rcvry+(43)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(43), EndMod-I(43)
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I will be playing mostly but not only on teams. I will be debuffing and attacking aggressively. Since both powersets have important PBAoE powers, I will often fight from melee range, though I'll sometimes jump back from the enemies to howl at them.

Any advice?

p.s. I know that I could build for ranged and melee defense if I weren't taking the Sorcery pool, but I've decided I want Rune and Mystic Flight for this toon.

Edited October 10, 2020 by Bastille Boy
note on sorcery

Onlyasandwich · October 11, 2020

Fire cold defense is easy to skip out on if you have smash and lethal energy covered. Most fire and cold attacks have a smash or lethal component.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Onlyasandwich

Darkir · October 12, 2020

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr we can focus on s/l/ranged defense and get more recharge and general protection to everything in the game instead.

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Level 50 Natural Defender
Primary Power Set: Pain Domination
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Sorcery
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nullify Pain -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(9), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(15), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal(36), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(37)
Level 1: Shriek -- SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg(A), SprVglAss-Dmg/Rchg(3), SprVglAss-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(3)
Level 2: Soothe -- Heal-I(A)
Level 4: Howl -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(5), Artl-Dam/Rech(5), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(21), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(23), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(23)
Level 6: Conduit of Pain -- PreOptmz-Acc/Rech(A), PreOptmz-EndMod/End(7), PreOptmz-EndMod/Rech(7), PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/End(9), PreOptmz-EndMod/End/Rech(13), PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/Rech(21)
Level 8: Enforced Morale -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(11), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(13)
Level 12: Soothing Aura -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(15), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(37), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(40), Pnc-Heal(42)
Level 14: Tactics -- HO:Cyto(A)
Level 16: Shout -- SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg(A), SprDfnBst-Dmg/Rchg(17), SprDfnBst-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SprDfnBst-Rchg/Heal%(34)
Level 18: World of Pain -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(19), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(19), UnbGrd-Max HP%(31), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(33)
Level 20: Amplify -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 22: Boxing -- Hct-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Hct-Acc/Rchg(43), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Hct-Dam%(43)
Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-End/Res(A), GldArm-RechRes(25), GldArm-RechEnd(25), GldArm-Res/Rech/End(27), GldArm-ResDam(27), GldArm-3defTpProc(33)
Level 26: Anguishing Cry -- RechRdx-I(A), AchHee-ResDeb%(45)
Level 28: Weave -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(29), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), RedFrt-Def(42), RedFrt-EndRdx(45)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 32: Painbringer -- PreOptmz-Acc/Rech(A), PreOptmz-EndMod/End(45), PreOptmz-EndMod/Rech(46), PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/End(46), PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/Rech(46), PreOptmz-EndMod/End/Rech(50)
Level 35: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(36)
Level 38: Dreadful Wail -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Arm-Acc/Rchg(39), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Arm-Dam%(40), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(40)
Level 41: Spirit Ward -- Prv-Absorb%(A)
Level 44: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 47: Rune of Protection -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-EndRdx/Rchg(48), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(48), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Screech -- SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), SprVglAss-Rchg/+Absorb(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Quick Form
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(37)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
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Bastille Boy · October 12, 2020

1 hour ago, Darkir said:

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr we can focus on s/l/ranged defense and get more recharge and general protection to everything in the game instead.

That's a shiny build. Thanks, Darkir! I think it's worth mentioning that it also softcaps energy defense.

Darkir · October 12, 2020

18 minutes ago, Bastille Boy said:

I think it's worth mentioning that it also softcaps energy defense.

ehhh, its not really, this is basically a M/R def softcap build. I am not aware of any melee attacks that are pure typed dmg and if there are, they are so few that they are hardly worth mentioning. So the energy defense will really only help you with pure typed aoes that dont have a melee or range tag.

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