Build Critique: Dark/Dark PermaDom w/o Hasten

[owhynot]

Hello everyone!

 

I'm trying to dip my feet into Dominator again and I would really appreciate my build getting a once over from people who know more than I do. I managed to soft-cap S/L/E and get PermaDom without Hasten. I didn't enjoy how Endurance hungry my other Dom was with Perma hasten. I felt like I was constantly out of Endurance, even with the Cardiac alpha. So I decided to try and forgo Hasten completely and I'm pretty satisfied with the results!

 

Also since I am going without Hasten, Ageless shouldn't feel as necessary for the build to function. Though I may be wrong! So any insight into Incarnate choices would be greatly appreciated as well!

 

Any criticism or insight would be greatly appeciated!

 

 

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Lucrum - Dominator (Darkness Control).mxd

[Nightmarer 2]

Ah that's the crux of Dominators, you either get Hasten or aim for +rchg. I don't like being forced to take Hasten and I like the build but truth to be said, Hasten gives me more freedom to proc attacks, especailly AoE onesso kinda torn here

 

[owhynot]

I do enjoy the option to exemplar when I build and not having to rely on Hasten to get Domination going was really a bonus that came around from building this way.

 

However, I am a bit worried about my damage with this build. I'm sure it'll be alright, but I could definitely shove a lot of procs into Dark/Dark.

[oedipus_tex]

Thanks for sharing your build. Here is some feedback to consider:

 

First things first: as a Dark/Dark you've got two powersets that do -ToHit. -ToHit stacks with +Defense to determine your dodge chances, but (in most cases) only up to the soft cap of 45%. While there are some situations where going over the soft cap can be effective, you're making some steep sacrifices in this build to achieve the soft cap. Your S/L resist is very low and any punch that gets through is going to wallop you. In the end you'd probably be happier with an APP that provides a Resist armor.

 

RE: Hasten. Altho you successfully achieved permadom without out, by scanning over the build I don't see that it translated into more diversity. You've still got the basic CJ/Hover/Weave/Maneuvers formula. Dropping Maneuvers or Hover for Hasten would dramatically improve the build.

 

RE: specific powers

• Nightfall is a very very narrow cone. Most people skip it.
• Fearsome Stare: Most people slot this for -ToHit and ignore Terrify OR they x6 slot Superior Ascendancy of the Dom in order to get the +Damage proc to fire
• Possess: By not slotting the sixth slot of Coercive Persuasion here you're missing out on +5 Range defense, which is too big a bonus to justify skipping IMO 
• Moonbeam: You want a second damage proc here, this power procs reliably and hits like a truck
• Fly: Some people take this for flavor. That's fine, just be aware that Fly is basically a powerpick spent on a costume option. You can fly just as easily with a vendor jetpack.
• Heart of Darkness: I don't recommend skipping this, it's just as strong as the stun Fire/Earth/Gravity get, only different in that it's a PBAoE. 

Edited December 16, 2020 by oedipus_tex

[brasilgringo]

1 hour ago, oedipus_tex said:

Thanks for sharing your build. Here is some feedback to consider:

 

First things first: as a Dark/Dark you've got two powersets that do -ToHit. -ToHit stacks with +Defense to determine your dodge chances, but (in most cases) only up to the soft cap of 45%. While there are some situations where going over the soft cap can be effective, you're making some steep sacrifices in this build to achieve the soft cap. Your S/L resist is very low and any punch that gets through is going to wallop you. In the end you'd probably be happier with an APP that provides a Resist armor.

 

RE: Hasten. Altho you successfully achieved permadom without out, by scanning over the build I don't see that it translated into more diversity. You've still got the basic CJ/Hover/Weave/Maneuvers formula. Dropping Maneuvers or Hover for Hasten would dramatically improve the build.

 

RE: specific powers

• Nightfall is a very very narrow cone. Most people skip it.
• Fearsome Stare: Most people slot this for -ToHit and ignore Terrify OR they x6 slot Superior Ascendancy of the Dom in order to get the +Damage proc to fire
• Possess: By not slotting the sixth slot of Coercive Persuasion here you're missing out on +5 Range defense, which is too big a bonus to justify skipping IMO 
• Moonbeam: You want a second damage proc here, this power procs reliably and hits like a truck
• Fly: Some people take this for flavor. That's fine, just be aware that Fly is basically a powerpick spent on a costume option. You can fly just as easily with a vendor jetpack.
• Heart of Darkness: I don't recommend skipping this, it's just as strong as the stun Fire/Earth/Gravity get, only different in that it's a PBAoE. 

HOD is also a pretty good proc-nuke at the  moment.  Since you're under permadom you don't really need to slot it for mez. 

 

I posted my take on Dark/Dark a month or so ago, fwiw - maybe it gives you some ideas:

 

 

Edited December 16, 2020 by brasilgringo

[owhynot]

2 hours ago, oedipus_tex said:

Thanks for sharing your build. Here is some feedback to consider:

 

First things first: as a Dark/Dark you've got two powersets that do -ToHit. -ToHit stacks with +Defense to determine your dodge chances, but (in most cases) only up to the soft cap of 45%. While there are some situations where going over the soft cap can be effective, you're making some steep sacrifices in this build to achieve the soft cap. Your S/L resist is very low and any punch that gets through is going to wallop you. In the end you'd probably be happier with an APP that provides a Resist armor.

 

RE: Hasten. Altho you successfully achieved permadom without out, by scanning over the build I don't see that it translated into more diversity. You've still got the basic CJ/Hover/Weave/Maneuvers formula. Dropping Maneuvers or Hover for Hasten would dramatically improve the build.

 

RE: specific powers

• Nightfall is a very very narrow cone. Most people skip it.
• Fearsome Stare: Most people slot this for -ToHit and ignore Terrify OR they x6 slot Superior Ascendancy of the Dom in order to get the +Damage proc to fire
• Possess: By not slotting the sixth slot of Coercive Persuasion here you're missing out on +5 Range defense, which is too big a bonus to justify skipping IMO 
• Moonbeam: You want a second damage proc here, this power procs reliably and hits like a truck
• Fly: Some people take this for flavor. That's fine, just be aware that Fly is basically a powerpick spent on a costume option. You can fly just as easily with a vendor jetpack.
• Heart of Darkness: I don't recommend skipping this, it's just as strong as the stun Fire/Earth/Gravity get, only different in that it's a PBAoE. 

 

After playing around with it more, I am noticing Nightfall is a bit underwhelming to say the least.

I originally had the 6 piece in Stare but I made some moves for some extra recharge, however if I dropped Nightfall the ATO would definitely go back in there and I would probably put Grav Anchor into Living shadows instead.

The changes to Possess and Moonbeam are easy eough especially if I take some of the slots out of Hover and drop Combat Jumping for Hasten. That gets me the two slots.

How would you slot Heart of Darkness? It looks pretty effective as a proc nuke like Brasilgringo said, so I'd probably default to that.

 

As for the resistances I would definitely need to play around a lot more with my build I think.

I'll see how Hasten affects me on the Test server. Having to rely on Cardiac or Ageless isn't ideal, but it may be worth it in the end.

 

Thank you for your insight! I'll definitely be using what I can!

[owhynot]

1 hour ago, brasilgringo said:

HOD is also a pretty good proc-nuke at the  moment.  Since you're under permadom you don't really need to slot it for mez. 

 

I posted my take on Dark/Dark a month or so ago, fwiw - maybe it gives you some ideas:

 

 

How's your survivability been without the soft caps? I read over your thread before posting since it was very close to what I was trying to achieve.

I'll admit I avoided the PBAoEs because I didn't want to get into melee at all. But considering how underwhelming Nightfall is, I will most likely switch it to HoD instead. Maybe see if I can fit Engulfing Darkness in there too since I'll be in range to use it anyway.

[brasilgringo]

24 minutes ago, owhynot said:

How's your survivability been without the soft caps? I read over your thread before posting since it was very close to what I was trying to achieve.

I'll admit I avoided the PBAoEs because I didn't want to get into melee at all. But considering how underwhelming Nightfall is, I will most likely switch it to HoD instead. Maybe see if I can fit Engulfing Darkness in there too since I'll be in range to use it anyway.

Survivability was OK given that you pain the mobs with Fearsome Stare -- my build had like 38% def to S/L/R before applying FS to-hit debuffs and the other to-hit debuffs of dark powers, amplified if you used Gather Shadows first (since it's like power boost).  Engulfing Darkness and HOD both gave good to-hit buffs over a decent PBAOE area.

 

The issue was more damage feeling anemic, which is why I shelved the toon.

Edited December 17, 2020 by brasilgringo

[brasilgringo]

39 minutes ago, owhynot said:

 

How would you slot Heart of Darkness? It looks pretty effective as a proc nuke like Brasilgringo said, so I'd probably default to that.

 

 

I slotted it with Absolute Amazment Ac/Rcrg (boosted I think), Fury of Glad -Res, and 4 damage procs.   On my Dark/Savage dom, I added a 5th damage proc in place of the -RES from Fury of Glad.

 

My Dark/Savage dom just rips face compared to the Dark/Dark build i used:

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Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.1.25
https://github.com/Crytilis/mids-reborn-hero-designer

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Level 50 Mutation Dominator
Primary Power Set: Darkness Control
Secondary Power Set: Savage Assault
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Dark Grasp -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(3), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(3), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Call Swarm -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A)
Level 2: Living Shadows -- SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SprAscoft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(5), SprAscoft-EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(13), SprAscoft-Rchg/+Dmg%(34), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 4: Vicious Slash -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(6), Mk'Bit-Dam%(9), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(6), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(11), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(6)
Level 6: Possess -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(13), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(15), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(15), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(17), CrcPrs-Conf%(17)
Level 8: Fearsome Stare -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(19), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(19), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(21), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(21), CldSns-%Dam(23)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Heart of Darkness -- AbsAmz-Acc/Rchg(A), Arm-Dam%(31), Erd-%Dam(31), ScrDrv-Dam%(33), Obl-%Dam(33), CldSns-%Dam(33)
Level 14: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(31)
Level 16: Spot Prey -- GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(A), GssSynFr--ToHit(34), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(39), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(40), GssSynFr--Build%(40), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(45)
Level 18: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(29)
Level 20: Rending Flurry -- Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Dmg(27), ScrDrv-Dam%(23), Erd-%Dam(25), Obl-%Dam(25), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(27)
Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(36), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(36)
Level 24: Kick -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A)
Level 26: Shadow Field -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(36), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(37), BslGaz-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(37)
Level 28: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(29)
Level 30: Blood Craze -- DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(A)
Level 32: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(34)
Level 35: Call Hawk -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Dam%(39), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), GldJvl-Dam%(42), CldSns-%Dam(42), FrcFdb-Rechg%(42)
Level 38: Feral Charge -- Hct-Dmg(A), Hct-Dam%(39), TchofDth-Dam%(43), Mk'Bit-Dam%(43), GldStr-%Dam(45), FrcFdb-Rechg%(45)
Level 41: Sleet -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(46), LucoftheG-Def(46)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- Rgn-Knock%(A), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(48), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(48), Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Hoarfrost -- DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(7), Prv-Absorb%(43)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(7)
Level 50: Intuition Radial Paragon
Level 1: Blood Frenzy
Level 1: Quick Form
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[owhynot]

5 minutes ago, brasilgringo said:

I slotted it with Absolute Amazment Ac/Rcrg (boosted I think), Fury of Glad -Res, and 4 damage procs.   On my Dark/Savage dom, I added a 5th damage proc in place of the -RES from Fury of Glad.

 

My Dark/Savage dom just rips face compared to the Dark/Dark build i used:

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Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.1.25
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Level 50 Mutation Dominator
Primary Power Set: Darkness Control
Secondary Power Set: Savage Assault
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Dark Grasp -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(3), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(3), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Call Swarm -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A)
Level 2: Living Shadows -- SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SprAscoft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(5), SprAscoft-EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(13), SprAscoft-Rchg/+Dmg%(34), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 4: Vicious Slash -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(6), Mk'Bit-Dam%(9), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(6), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(11), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(6)
Level 6: Possess -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(13), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(15), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(15), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(17), CrcPrs-Conf%(17)
Level 8: Fearsome Stare -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(19), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(19), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(21), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(21), CldSns-%Dam(23)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Heart of Darkness -- AbsAmz-Acc/Rchg(A), Arm-Dam%(31), Erd-%Dam(31), ScrDrv-Dam%(33), Obl-%Dam(33), CldSns-%Dam(33)
Level 14: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(31)
Level 16: Spot Prey -- GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(A), GssSynFr--ToHit(34), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(39), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(40), GssSynFr--Build%(40), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(45)
Level 18: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(29)
Level 20: Rending Flurry -- Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Dmg(27), ScrDrv-Dam%(23), Erd-%Dam(25), Obl-%Dam(25), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(27)
Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(36), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(36)
Level 24: Kick -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A)
Level 26: Shadow Field -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(36), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(37), BslGaz-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(37)
Level 28: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(29)
Level 30: Blood Craze -- DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(A)
Level 32: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(34)
Level 35: Call Hawk -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Dam%(39), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), GldJvl-Dam%(42), CldSns-%Dam(42), FrcFdb-Rechg%(42)
Level 38: Feral Charge -- Hct-Dmg(A), Hct-Dam%(39), TchofDth-Dam%(43), Mk'Bit-Dam%(43), GldStr-%Dam(45), FrcFdb-Rechg%(45)
Level 41: Sleet -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(46), LucoftheG-Def(46)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- Rgn-Knock%(A), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(48), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(48), Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Hoarfrost -- DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(7), Prv-Absorb%(43)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(7)
Level 50: Intuition Radial Paragon
Level 1: Blood Frenzy
Level 1: Quick Form
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That build looks really fun! I might play around with something similar if this Dark/Dark doesnt pan out. Thank you!