I love my Warshade but....

[LKN-351]

I've run into a brick wall.... by the name of Ms. Liberty.

 

I added some IO sets to make him tough enough but she's still walking all over me. I don't have  whole lot of experience with using procs and sets but I'm looking for some suggestions.... the only suggestion I definitely wont take is to use one of the forms lol

 

 

This is the current build I have on the test server... She killed me four times and I decided not bash my head against that brick wall.

 

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[Black_Assassin]

It is not a good idea to try to run human only on basic common IOs. Tri-form works better on a budget. Also a basic IO build won't have the tools needed to take an AV down.

 

My suggestion is swap to triform or throw some proper inf at the human only approach. Plenty of those in the search if you need them for inspiration.

[LKN-351]

It's not an AV it's an EB. I did search through the forums for a human only build and I didn't find a whole lot.

I still wont take a form lol and I accept that disability. I rolled this character pre-sunset with the explicit intent of not using forms.

 

This is the current build I've got on live. Did I put any of the sets in the wrong places? I wonder about Performance Shifter specifically and if I get the intended set bonus of Pancea as well as if the proc will work as expected in PvE.

 

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[Ohsirus]

Any chance you can post the build for those of us without MIDs atm.

[Sweetcake]

 

The Panacea proc in Stygian will only have a chance to activate when the power is activated, I would always slot in Health unless I was going for the full set bonus.

I've not played a Warshade since live but I would aim to have capped resists and eclipse permanent.

I would try to build something but it would be gimped as I'm not sure on the power selections anymore.

 

18 minutes ago, Ohsirus said:

Any chance you can post the build for those of us without MIDs atm.

 

[LKN-351]

I haven't actually put Panacea in anything yet cause I wasn't sure if I was reading it correctly due to it actually being a PVP set. What I was shooting for was a way to get Stygian Circle to proc some endurance/health for me even if there wasn't dead bodies for me to pull essence out of... so kind of like a psuedo-heal if I was in a longer fight and all the bodies had vanished already but I wasn't sure if that's how it worked or not.

The goal is to make the character just 'ok' if I'm solo.

 

I don't see any added bonus from Performance Shifter in Mids either so I wasn't sure if I put it in the right place.

[Black_Assassin]

6 hours ago, LKN-351 said:

I haven't actually put Panacea in anything yet cause I wasn't sure if I was reading it correctly due to it actually being a PVP set. What I was shooting for was a way to get Stygian Circle to proc some endurance/health for me even if there wasn't dead bodies for me to pull essence out of... so kind of like a psuedo-heal if I was in a longer fight and all the bodies had vanished already but I wasn't sure if that's how it worked or not.

The goal is to make the character just 'ok' if I'm solo.

 

I don't see any added bonus from Performance Shifter in Mids either so I wasn't sure if I put it in the right place.

 

 

Panacea is best slotted in Health along with Miracle and Numina procs. I haven't ever tested Stygian with 0 bodies and a panacea proc, but I do not think it would work that way as it needs bodies to work. 

 

Have you got plans for putting actual sets in all the other powers? You will only get so far if you have common IOs in a human only build. Most of your damage on single targets will be coming from your fluffy summons.

 

[Ohsirus]

Not sure of your playstyle, but Single Targets will always be more of a challenge to a Warshade unless you go in fully buffed. I always fight in mobs, whether I pull a mob to the fight or bring the fight to the mob. You have a overkill (waste) of shields and slottings. Not sure what Def numbers you are at, and if you are level-shifted. Honestly I think this is a bad build, even if it's a budget build. I would look at some of the other Human-Only builds in the forums for some ideas. Although IMO Tri-Form is where you really see how the MF'ing Warshade shines.

[LKN-351]

5 hours ago, Black_Assassin said:

 

 

Panacea is best slotted in Health along with Miracle and Numina procs. I haven't ever tested Stygian with 0 bodies and a panacea proc, but I do not think it would work that way as it needs bodies to work. 

 

Have you got plans for putting actual sets in all the other powers? You will only get so far if you have common IOs in a human only build. Most of your damage on single targets will be coming from your fluffy summons.

 

 I figure if the power fired off it had a chance to activate the proc whether there where bodies or not but that was just a guess. Miracle and Numina are already in health and both 2 slotted.

 

So what you're saying is I need more recharge. I will use some sets but since this is my first foray into using them, I don't know what to get to give the best impact. I just found out last night that I can use multiple Luck of the Gambler procs on the same character, I didn't notice it wasn't unique. Granted with the ATOs and the fact that there's only one other power I can put that into I'm not sure if that'll get my recharge where I'd need it to get three fuzzies up or Eclipse to perma. Can I get the 2 slot bonus from Luck of the Gambler twice??

Eclipse is pretty close, the power comes up nearly the same time the buffs start to fade.

 

1 hour ago, Ohsirus said:

Not sure of your playstyle, but Single Targets will always be more of a challenge to a Warshade unless you go in fully buffed. I always fight in mobs, whether I pull a mob to the fight or bring the fight to the mob. You have a overkill (waste) of shields and slottings. Not sure what Def numbers you are at, and if you are level-shifted. Honestly I think this is a bad build, even if it's a budget build. I would look at some of the other Human-Only builds in the forums for some ideas. Although IMO Tri-Form is where you really see how the MF'ing Warshade shines.

 

Bad build? More like bad post. I'm pretty sure I've said twice in the rest of the thread (and then a third time in this comment) that I'm not sure what to do and that I'm not taking another form.... oh and that I didn't find any other human only WS builds. I'm sure you're going to go looking for those posts but you wont take any time looking up the word "tact".

I had a crappy night trying to sleep and I don't wanna get up and find some Jackhole telling me I have a bad build in a thread that's specifically about trying to build it a little bit better. Make a useful suggestion or GTFO.

Edited December 14, 2021 by LKN-351

[Ohsirus]

Long Read.

[mathemagic]

Yes, you can get the bonuses from up to 5 Luck of the Gambler: Global Recharge. You can only put one in each power, so besides Shadow Cloak, you'll also have to get some pool powers like Maneuvers or Stealth or Combat Jumping.

 

As for sets with recharge, without going into purples, the best sets are Decimation and Positrons Blast for ranged attacks, and Crushing Impact and Obliteration for melee attacks. Call to Arms in Dark Extraction. Panacea. Put Stupefy in Gravity Emanation, and Basilisks Gaze in Gravity Well, I would take some slots out of the shields to fill out those powers. You'll need the sets 5-slotted to get the recharge bonus.  And Kheldians Grace. 

 

Not sure where you're at influence wise, but you should start building for recharge.

[LKN-351]

I'm running a Superior Kheldians Grace 2 slot. I was thinking about maybe taking a slot out of each of the shields and placing them elsewhere as it stands. I think I will take maneuvers and put a LoTG in it as well as shadow cloak.

 

What's my target recharge bonus?

[SeraphimKensai]

Just remember that Warshades are designed around density. When you run out of cannon fodder you'll get cracks in your max resistance as eclipse doesn't hit enough targets, you'll lose out on dos as you'll have less pets & less bodies to explode, and you'll heal less. Because of that hard single targets are the toughest for a warshade.

 

As for Ms. Liberty, what level was she conning to you? -1, even, +4? Were you using envenomed daggers (Warshades don't have native -Regen)? Were you being mobile and slowing her dos down by making her reposition herself or were you just standing there getting hit?

Edited December 15, 2021 by SeraphimKensai

[LKN-351]

She was even level. I don't have envenomed daggers (that's a widow/claws power. O.o?) Yes I tried all of those tactics lol I've fought her 8/9/10 times.

 

Dos? She's not a turbocharger o.O? I read your post of that as DPS because it makes the most sense but after the second dos I'd prefer not to assume lol

[SeraphimKensai]

Envenomed daggers is a P2W temp power that is commonly used for breaking the Regen of EB/AV/Monsters in the game by a lot of the player base.

 

Dos = DPS. My keyboard kept thinking I was replying in Spanish for some reason and auto corrected, thinking I was talking about the number 2.

[LKN-351]

Yeah right I understood the -regen part of it but I didn't realize it was an available temp power.

 

The main thing that comes to mind when I hear(see) dos is turbo flutter, followed by DOS commands lol

[Black_Assassin]

21 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said:

Envenomed daggers is a P2W temp power that is commonly used for breaking the Regen of EB/AV/Monsters in the game by a lot of the player base.

 

Dos = DPS. My keyboard kept thinking I was replying in Spanish for some reason and auto corrected, thinking I was talking about the number 2.