Twilight Son and Mender Lazarus TFs No Longer Available?

[Acroyear]

Hi All,

Were the Twilight Son and Mender Lazarus' Task Forces removed from the game? My level 50 character has tried to access them, but they do not give the option to begin the Smoke and Mirrors or The 5th Column Overthrow TFs. I've done all the other Ouroboros content, which unlocked these two contacts, plus Mender Silos. Strangely, I can access the Trading Places TF from Mender Silos.

 

Has anyone else had this problem? Am I missing something that would make these contacts provide the TFs?

[High_Beam]

Just came form Ouroboros testing with a 50.  Smoke and Mirrors is a Flashback for a 50 in the 30-34 range and I will tell you that when I did it I did it like this because I had skipped most of the Ouro content when I ran DiDi to 50.  5th Column Overthrow is 35-39.  Silos is classified as Level 50 content and can be flashbacked from the 50 pile.

[Acroyear]

Yes, I am aware of the level ranges of the Task Forces. But you use to be able to go to the contacts (as I recall) and do these Task Forces as long as you had gained access to Ouroboros story arcs. I've not done them on my current level 50, and for some reason these two contacts do not give me the option to do their Task Forces. Mender Silos will give me the option to do his, but the others do not, which is odd because I've never done their TFs.

I did log in another level 50 character, who I know did all the Ouroboros TFs. None of the three contacts would give him the ability to do their TFs, and Mender Silos went so far as to tell me there was no more I could do for him at this time. So it would seem they are are a one-shot TF through the contacts the first time through.

 

But again, my current character (a sentinel) has not done any of the Ouroboro TFs, and neither Twilight Son nor Mendor Lazarus will offer them to him, which is odd, and frustrating. This would definitely seem like a bug or error of some sort.

[Honorbridge]

I can’t think of a reason Lazarus wouldn’t provide the TF, but Twilight’s Son is for Hero/Vigilante alignment only.  If you are Villain/Rogue, you either need to change alignment or talk to Tesseract for her arc.  If you are already native blue side, I’m stumped again.

 

Edit to add:  Did Homecoming change these contacts to remove the TF status and just made them regular contacts?

Edited August 28, 2022 by Honorbridge

[Acroyear]

Did some more testing. Took my main level 50 hero to Ouroboros. He has done all the Task Forces previously here. I checked the Flashback crystal, and both the Twilight Son (Smoke and Mirrors) and Mender Lazarus (The 5th Column Overthrow) are listed in white indicating that he's never done them. Which is incorrect. He has done them.

I took my current level 50 to Ouroboros, and checked the Flashback crystal, and both the Twilight Son (Smoke and Mirrors) and Mender Lazarus (The 5th Column Overthrow) are also listed in white, indicating he's never done them, but he was never even given the option to do them.

 

So it would seem these two contacts are not offering their Tasks Force to characters any more. 

 

Was this intentional? 

 

[Acroyear]

4 minutes ago, Honorbridge said:

I can’t think of a reason Lazarus wouldn’t provide the TF, but Twilight’s Son is for Hero/Vigilante alignment only.  If you are Villain/Rogue, you either need to change alignment or talk to Tesseract for her arc.  If you are already native blue side, I’m stumped again.

 

Both my characters are Hero alignment. 

 

There would seem to be something wrong with the two contacts, is my guess.

[High_Beam]

I wasn't inferring you weren't aware other than the fact that content when in a specific level range ceases to become available when you outlevel it.  Lazarus's range when not in flashback  (per the wiki is 30-39) so a 40 or a 50 shouldn't normally be able to get the mission from him without a flashback.  The same statement applies to Twilight Son.  Pilgrim's missions are considered level 25-50 range so you could get Pilgrim at 48 or 49 or 50 without flashback and maybe that's why you aren't seeing what you saw.

[Acroyear]

6 minutes ago, High_Beam said:

I wasn't inferring you weren't aware other than the fact that content when in a specific level range ceases to become available when you outlevel it.  Lazarus's range when not in flashback  (per the wiki is 30-39) so a 40 or a 50 shouldn't normally be able to get the mission from him without a flashback.  The same statement applies to Twilight Son.  Pilgrim's missions are considered level 25-50 range so you could get Pilgrim at 48 or 49 or 50 without flashback and maybe that's why you aren't seeing what you saw.

 

No worries, bud. What I should have wrote was that in Ouroboros, it was originally set that you could be of higher level than the TFs offered there, and still be offered them, because the story concept of Ouroboros included the time/power scale plot about going back in time and being of a lower power level. It was built right into the the zone to explain why some of the TFs offered were of lower level. 

 

Back on live, my main character was already level 50 when Ouroboros was introduced into the game, and he did all the TFs offered by the contacts, even though the plot of time/power scale meant they were TFs lower than his level. They were still offered to him.

 

And I did the same here on Homecoming about 2 years ago with my main level 50. He was level 50 when he first started doing the story arcs provided by the contacts in Ouroboros, and even though he had technically out leveled the level ranges of the TFs, he was still offered those Task Forces through the Ouroboros contacts.

 

But as of today, two of the contacts do not offer their Tasks Forces, no matter what level you are (it would seem). 

[Psyonico]

You've got to access then through a pillar if you're out of their level range.

[High_Beam]

No I just went in Ouro with a natural 31 and talked to Lazarous and got the 5th mission.  Hero, Sentinel, that hasnt done Pilgrim.  But you will note I was 31 and got it which means Ouro flashback is shoving them up one tier.  But wiki says thats always been the case..

Edited August 28, 2022 by High_Beam

[High_Beam]

And just jumped in with a level 26 never done Pilgrim and got Twilight so I don't know what else to say.  I will note that the 31 (Kitty Conflag was still able to get Twilight as well so the level range there may be slightly skewed but the 26 (Tideway) could not get Lazarous).

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by High_Beam

[Acroyear]

2 hours ago, High_Beam said:

And just jumped in with a level 26 never done Pilgrim and got Twilight so I don't know what else to say.  I will note that the 31 (Kitty Conflag was still able to get Twilight as well so the level range there may be slightly skewed but the 26 (Tideway) could not get Lazarous).

 

 

Thanks for investigating this, High Beam. I'm kind of perplexed by this, as I recall doing these Task Forces at level 50 as regular options from the Ouroboros contacts. However, the facts you have shown prove I must be mistaken.

 

My memory must be failing me.

 

I guess I am confused by the fact that these are Task Forces the contacts offer, and not standard missions. With a Task Force, once started, the leader of the TF cannot invite other players to join, so they are true TFs Twilight Son and Mender Lazarus are offering. Yet, with the Ouroboros contacts, it seems they can be out-leveled, as oppose to other contacts in the game that also provide Task Forces (for example, Positron and Synapse, who you can visit at Level 50 and still have access to their offered TF).

 

 

[Astralock]

They were task forces back on live.  They were changed to standard story arcs by SCoRE during the "secret" years when they combined the blue and red Ouroboros zones into one zone.

[Ironblade]

8 hours ago, Acroyear said:

I guess I am confused by the fact that these are Task Forces the contacts offer, and not standard missions. With a Task Force, once started, the leader of the TF cannot invite other players to join, so they are true TFs Twilight Son and Mender Lazarus are offering.

Actually, I don't think the devs consider them actual task forces.

Not being able to invite new players once you have started is a characteristic of all flashbacks in Ouroboros.

The wiki notes: "Unlike normal Task Forces, Archvillains/Heros will spawn as Elite Bosses according to Notoriety and number of players in the team."

So they're not "normal task forces" (whatever that means).