Question for the HC folk - Do Giant Monsters cause lag?

[Excraft]

4 minutes ago, DarkRevelation said:

I'll repeat this: 

Whatever the issue is, she asked for it to stop, period. Please respect what she has asked for. 

 

I'm not the one spawning a Kronos Titan, so please direct your ire toward those who are.  I'd also ask (again), does that go for everyone?

 

9 minutes ago, Excraft said:

Fusion Force spawned 2 (or maybe 3) Kronos Titans during the SNS as part of their 20th anniversary event.  They were glowingly praised and thanked in broadcast for it.   Why are some people getting a pass and others aren't?

 

Edited October 18 by Excraft

[DarkRevelation]

13 minutes ago, Excraft said:

 

I'm not the one spawning a Kronos Titan, so please direct your ire toward those who are.  I'd also ask (again), does that go for everyone?

 

 

 

One more time:

Whatever the issue is, she asked for it to stop, period. Please respect what she has asked for. 

 

She asked that in broadcast on Saturday and she stated it here tonight on the forums. It should be crystal clear to you and everyone else as to how she feels about it. Regardless of who did what/when, this is what she is asking for. Please respect what she has asked for. 

 

[Kalikamata]

On 10/14/2024 at 3:14 PM, Number Six said:

A Giant Monster causes the exact same amount of "lag" (whether it's server resources, client rendering resources, or whatever) as a Hellion. It's just another critter, nothing special about it except that it has more hit points and is rendered larger on the screen.

What about 25 giant monsters?

[Excraft]

38 minutes ago, DarkRevelation said:

One more time:

Whatever the issue is, she asked for it to stop, period. Please respect what she has asked for. 

 

She asked that in broadcast on Saturday and she stated it here tonight on the forums. It should be crystal clear to you and everyone else as to how she feels about it. Regardless of who did what/when, this is what she is asking for. Please respect what she has asked for. 

 

 

Buddy, I heard you the first time.  I've no problem respecting the request as (again) I'm not the one spawning Titans.  You're focusing your outrage in the wrong direction.  Feel free to keep repeating yourself though if it will make you feel better.  Also, one more time:  does this request apply to everyone? 

 

56 minutes ago, Excraft said:

Fusion Force spawned 2 (or maybe 3) Kronos Titans during the SNS as part of their 20th anniversary event.  They were glowingly praised and thanked in broadcast for it.   Why are some people getting a pass and others aren't?

 

I'll say again - this is the first I've ever heard that the Kronos alone is (maybe) causing a problem for an individual player.  The way it's been presented and argued over every time I've seen is that people have said the Kronos is causing problems for everyone.  It should be abundantly clear to you reading through this thread that not everyone knew the specifics behind the request.  That's a communication problem. 

 

15 minutes ago, Kalikamata said:

What about 25 giant monsters?

 

As has been discussed in the thread here, lag is coming from the cumulative effects of all of the giant monsters, all of the players, all of the pets, all of the VFX for powers, all of the NPCs and critters on the map.  Where the tipping point is between "normal" and "laggy" is going to vary from player to player based on any number of things.  It does sound to me like you might have an outdated driver on your GPU if it's just the Kronos AoE causing you lag.  Are you lagging even when there's no Kronos there? 

 

Just a suggestion, but perhaps you may want to make a thread in the Torchbearer forums about the SNS and any suggested rules you may have for it?  People can be directed there since it's clear that not everyone knew of the issue for you. 

[Kalikamata]

6 hours ago, Excraft said:

 

I'll say again - this is the first I've ever heard that the Kronos alone is (maybe) causing a problem for an individual player. 

It's not just me. I get complaints from multiple people. There is a noticeable difference when the Kronos shows up. Again, this noticeable difference started when changes were made to the giant monsters. Before that, the lag was not a significant issue. 

 

I'm trying to run a very large event and keep it manageable. It is a long and exhausting night. It is a LOT of people, teams, leagues, Babbages, complaints, special requests, demands to deal with. I have posted how I run the event in the forums, on discord, and repeatedly in chat during the event. 

 

My feeling is that any "rules" I make are arbitrary.  I am not a GM and have no authority to enforce them. SNS has been successful and fun for years because of the cooperation of the player base. Every week I ask people to bring their patience and a fun attitude... and for the most part, people do. Until recently. 

 

Edited October 18 by Kalikamata

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

Since I have now inserted myself in the middle of this debate (*sigh*), I have one more insight as to why Kronos might cause lag and another Babbage might not.  Kronos Titans fight against players AND Babbages.  Other Babbages just look at each other.

 

And Kronos Titans do several things that can mess up a scrum of aligned Babbages: 1) huge damage, 2) DoT damage, 3) debuffs (-regen), 4) a Burn patch with "Afraid" tag.  https://cod.uberguy.net/html/powerset.html?pset=malta.malta_kronos

 

While it is an open zone for all players, you should also be courteous and considerate to each other.  GMs have taken actions against players who drag critters into PI courtyard, into a costume contest, and who disrupt Hammy and MSR raids.

 

Edited October 18 by GM_GooglyMoogly

[ZacKing]

9 hours ago, DarkRevelation said:

She is the one who politely asked that Kronos not be brought to the event that she started, runs and maintains every Saturday. This is certainly an odd way to show your appreciation for her efforts. 

 

You're quoting me extending a thank you and appreciation to the organizer of the event.  How you arrived at that being a bad thing or some kind of insult is beyond me.  Might want to check your entitlement and read the whole discussion.  And before you start repeating yourself, I don't have any problem following instructions either as it's not me who is bringing the Kronos Titans.  I understand that you feel your friend is being attacked somehow (they aren't) and have the need to jump in and white knight for them.  Again, read the entire discussion.  There is a lot of confusion for a lot of people over this subject and the purpose of the thread is to provide clarification and insight. 

 

9 hours ago, Zombie Fryer said:

So here's a question - if a player is running an event in an open zone, do other players have the right to interfere in that event?

 

I'll answer your question with a question for you -  what gives you and your event the right to disrupt and lag out an entire zone for an hour (or more) every week when there are people there not interested in or participating in the SNS?  Maybe they aren't important to you, but your event is disruptive to players who are in Skyway doing missions or street sweeping or whatever due to the lag this event causes.  Or is that ok and respect for the fellow players only go one way here?  @Excraft brought up a good point - Fusion Force (and others) have brought Titans to the mix before and there was never any argument over it.  In fact, they were thanked for it. 

[tidge]

10 hours ago, Kalikamata said:

I get vitriol from both sides. I have asked politely and respectfully for people not to bring Kronos. Ever since the GM change, Kronos slows my computer down. Shutting off particles does very little to help. His AOEs slow me to a crawl. I would not squeal with delight at another Babbage. We all have different definitions of fun.

 

edit for clarification... This lag happens BEFORE the leagues start attacking. It seems to come from the Kronos attacks.

 

So I'm wrong. You're right. *Sigh* Perhaps it's time to retire the event that took me years to build.

 

I want to offer mega-kudos for both the initial idea, the execution of the proof-of-concept, and the patience to have kept up SNS as a thing for so long. I love playing on fun leagues, I've loved the SNS. The memories of Don Knotts will always be with us!

 

I do want to write this: The event stopped being fun for me once it became an effort to coordinate more than a league's worth of Babbage spawns. To be clear: players form the same league dropping out to get "private Babbages" never really impacted my fun, because those folks are all pretty much on the same "same clock", and getting something like as many as an extra six didn't turn the event into a slog (at least for me, MMV). Writing only for myself, the event isn't any less fun with "only six" simultaneous Babbages.

 

Now that we've continually demonstrated that we players can spawn enormous numbers of Babbages, and we all have lots of screenshots, I don't understand why we have to make a coordinated effort among multiple leagues, unless the point is literally to flood the zone with Giant Monster and players, which we know causes lag and invites hard feelings.

[ZacKing]

1 hour ago, Kalikamata said:

It's not just me. I get complaints from multiple people. There is a noticeable difference when the Kronos shows up. Again, this noticeable difference started when changes were made to the giant monsters. Before that, the lag was not a significant issue. 

 

I'm trying to run a very large event and keep it manageable. It is a long and exhausting night. It is a LOT of people, teams, leagues, Babbages, complaints, special requests, demands to deal with. I have posted how I run the event in the forums, on discord, and repeatedly in chat during the event. 

 

My feeling is that any "rules" I make are arbitrary.  I am not a GM and have no authority to enforce them. SNS has been successful and fun for years because of the cooperation of the player base. Every week I ask people to bring their patience and a fun attitude... and for the most part, people do. Until recently. 

 

 

Hello Kalikamata.  I'm glad you found this thread and took the time to post here.  I hope you can see that there's been a lot of confusion about this.  I'm hoping that perhaps this thread will help clear up any of that confusion for others.  It's here now and people with questions can be directed to it where we have some more definitive information from the source, not just hyperbole and hearsay. 

 

The Kronos itself causing a problem for you does sound like a driver or hardware issue.  I'm not sure how you could go about diagnosing that and possibly fixing it, but I'm happy to help in some way if I am able.

 

Sorry to hear you get vitriol from players.  I know you put a lot into herding cats every week.  I hope you know there are those of us who appreciate it, so thank you.

[ZacKing]

31 minutes ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

Since I have now inserted myself in the middle of this debate (*sigh*), I have one more insight as to why Kronos might cause lag and another Babbage might not.  Kronos Titans fight against players AND Babbages.  Other Babbages just look at each other.

 

And Kronos Titans do several things that can mess up a scrum of aligned Babbages: 1) huge damage, 2) DoT damage, 3) debuffs (-regen), 4) a Burn patch with "Afraid" tag.

 

Great information.  Thank you as always! 

[DarkRevelation]

12 hours ago, Excraft said:

 

Buddy, I heard you the first time.

 

I'm not your buddy, guy.

 

 

4 hours ago, ZacKing said:

 

You're quoting me extending a thank you and appreciation to the organizer of the event.  How you arrived at that being a bad thing or some kind of insult is beyond me.  Might want to check your entitlement and read the whole discussion.  And before you start repeating yourself, I don't have any problem following instructions either as it's not me who is bringing the Kronos Titans.  I understand that you feel your friend is being attacked somehow (they aren't) and have the need to jump in and white knight for them.  Again, read the entire discussion.  There is a lot of confusion for a lot of people over this subject and the purpose of the thread is to provide clarification and insight. 

 

 

Kali needs no one to white knight for her. 

 

Might want to check your entitlement - 

You and your echo chamber buddy keep tossing the word entitlement around, and I'm sorry (not really) but I have to do this:

 

I'm not entitled to anything. Kali created the event, she runs the event, and does it for the server's enjoyment. She politely asked in broadcast on Saturday that Kronos not be brought to the event she runs. You speak of confusion and the need for 'clarification and insight' into the reasons why Kronos shouldn't be brought to the event. The person who runs the event asked that it be stopped. What more do you need? Does Kali owe you/everyone an explanation on why she asked that it be stopped? No. Does she owe you/everyone an explanation on how the event is run? No. Are you/everyone owed an explanation on why some group used Kronos in the past? No. Plain and simple, she asked that it be stopped. It doesn't matter if everyone on the server did it in the past, she asked that it end. You use the word entitlement, but who is acting entitled?

 

4 hours ago, ZacKing said:

 

Great information.  Thank you as always! 

 

You probably should have also quoted the rest of their post:

5 hours ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

While it is an open zone for all players, you should also be courteous and considerate to each other.  GMs have taken actions against players who drag critters into PI courtyard, into a costume contest, and who disrupt Hammy and MSR raids.

 

4 hours ago, ZacKing said:

The Kronos itself causing a problem for you does sound like a driver or hardware issue.  I'm not sure how you could go about diagnosing that and possibly fixing it, but I'm happy to help in some way if I am able.

It is not a driver issue unless the change to the GMs caused driver issues, which it didn't.  Its not just her. A lot of people have complained to her about the Kronos problem. 

Edited October 18 by DarkRevelation

[Kalikamata]

3 hours ago, tidge said:

I don't understand why we have to make a coordinated effort among multiple leagues,

So that everyone who wants to participate can... and that everyone who puts in the time to do the Synapse TF gets credit for each Babbage. The whole reason that SNS grew beyond 1 team was demand. Through trial and error we discovered multiple teams could run the TF and each spawn a Babbage. (Side note: you are not guaranteed a Babbage spawn. There is a 5% chance he WON'T spawn.) 

 

The thing I loved about SNS is that everyone is working together. The overflow leagues originally called themselves Leech League. I didn't like that and renamed them. Sure it would be very easy for them to swoop in with their 50s and destroy the Babbages before the rest of us have a chance. But they don't. And I soooo appreciate that. I think that's why attendance is so high. I do not want to leave people out or turn people away. The foul mouthed person in broadcast last week is definitely the exception. 

 

I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm and passion, but we have to be respectful. I would like to run my event in peace. Please stop fighting each other and focus on our common goal. If my event is taking too big a toll on Skyway or is too disruptive to regular game play and GMs would like me to stop, I will. 

 

3 hours ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

Since I have now inserted myself in the middle of this debate (*sigh*), I have one more insight as to why Kronos might cause lag and another Babbage might not.  Kronos Titans fight against players AND Babbages.  Other Babbages just look at each other.

 

And Kronos Titans do several things that can mess up a scrum of aligned Babbages: 1) huge damage, 2) DoT damage, 3) debuffs (-regen), 4) a Burn patch with "Afraid" tag.  https://cod.uberguy.net/html/powerset.html?pset=malta.malta_kronos

 

While it is an open zone for all players, you should also be courteous and considerate to each other.  GMs have taken actions against players who drag critters into PI courtyard, into a costume contest, and who disrupt Hammy and MSR raids.

 

Thank you for this clarification that Kronos Titans fight players AND Babbages. 

Edited October 18 by Kalikamata

[tidge]

33 minutes ago, DarkRevelation said:

It is not a driver issue unless the change to the GMs caused driver issues, which it didn't.  Its not just her. A lot of people have complained to her about the Kronos problem. 

 

For my rig, the issues with lag really started with the release of the Storm sets, especially when those were the "new hotness". It is noticeable for me on the SNS, Mothership Raids, and the Mapserver Leagues.

 

I'm positive that Storm also affects PI trick-or-treating, for the following reason: I can take my Storm/Storm character solo in PI during off-peak times (so few people in the zone), and get mobiles from the TRICK to continually exit/re-exit/re-re-exit from a door without ever being able to make an attack or cast a power. Geometry collision is certainly part of the problem, but when a ToT Elite Boss can't exist long enough to target me (or vice versa), I think that is indistinguishable from what a player would describe as "lag".

 

EDIT: I want to add that this game result is not affect by my rig's graphics setting. The /noparticles shouldn't be doing anything about what the game engine is trying to resolve, with respect to mobile behavior.

Edited October 18 by tidge

[Seed22]

4 hours ago, Kalikamata said:

It's not just me. I get complaints from multiple people. There is a noticeable difference when the Kronos shows up. Again, this noticeable difference started when changes were made to the giant monsters. Before that, the lag was not a significant issue. 

 

I'm trying to run a very large event and keep it manageable. It is a long and exhausting night. It is a LOT of people, teams, leagues, Babbages, complaints, special requests, demands to deal with. I have posted how I run the event in the forums, on discord, and repeatedly in chat during the event. 

 

My feeling is that any "rules" I make are arbitrary.  I am not a GM and have no authority to enforce them. SNS has been successful and fun for years because of the cooperation of the player base. Every week I ask people to bring their patience and a fun attitude... and for the most part, people do. Until recently. 

 

If this continues to be a problem, as much as it sucks to do, cancel the event for awhile if not forever. You can see in this very post how hard it is to respect a simple request. They want to fuck around, let em find out.

 

This is not to single any particular person out, but it is infuriating that a simple request is getting an infantile, “but why?”. You are not children, this is not a townhall meeting. It’s all well and dandy to figure out exactly WHAT’s causing lag sure, but Kronos is causing problems for the event, the organizer ask people to stop spawning it. You stop doing it.  End of fucking discussion.

Edited October 18 by Seed22

[ZacKing]

2 hours ago, DarkRevelation said:

Kali needs no one to white knight for her. 

 

And yet, here you are doing just that...

 

2 hours ago, DarkRevelation said:

You and your echo chamber buddy keep tossing the word entitlement around, and I'm sorry (not really) but I have to do this:

 

Funny memes from an excellent movie aside, it certainly seems (at least to me) there's some entitlement surrounding the event here.  Yes, it's Kali's event.  No, it isn't her server and no, she doesn't own the entirety of the Skyway City map.  I noticed you've missed a question I asked earlier -

 

5 hours ago, ZacKing said:

what gives you and your event the right to disrupt and lag out an entire zone for an hour (or more) every week when there are people there not interested in or participating in the SNS?

 

So is the SNS more important because it's your friend running it?  Or do people running content in Skyway City who may be negatively impacted by all the lag caused by the SNS not matter? 

 

Honestly, I'm not sure what you're on about or what you're so angry over.  I've said I've no problem following the request.  From what I can tell, everyone else here has said the same thing.  I'm also not seeing anyone here saying they're bringing the Kronos and are going to continue to keep doing it whether you want them to or not.  You all seem to think that it's being done out of malice or to be a troll and I don't think that's the case.  I think it's just simple miscommunication or people not having all of the facts. 

 

I just asked a question here since I saw it's causing a lot of other people grief during what's supposed to be a fun community event.  Thankfully people from HC graciously responded.  I've said a few times now I did this to help clear up any confusion since it should be crystal clear to you or anyone else that there are people out there who don't know this is a problem, or don't understand what the problem is.  That's a lack of communication.  Not everyone is in your inner circle of friends.  Not everyone is on Discord.  Not everyone comes to the forums.  Not everyone is always going to believe what others tell them.  Not everyone is getting the same message.  You may not realize, but not everyone playing has the chat window active.  Not everyone will have broadcast chat enabled on their chat tab.  Seeing all the silly nonsense chatter about squirrels and Don Knotts and speedo shorts every week, I can't say I blame them either.  Not everyone is present in the zone while the league is being formed.  Some people see in broadcast that it's a problem and don't do it.  Others say it's fine and have seen other people doing it and getting thanked for it.  That's confusing to some people. 

 

Thankfully, Kali did stop in the thread here and shared her perspective and reasoning.  I think that's been important and very helpful.  It's also fantastic that Number Six and GooglyMoogly helped and shared some technical insights.  That's great information.  I'll certainly be doing what I can to pass the word along to everyone I know and direct them to this thread if there's any further questions. 

 

2 hours ago, DarkRevelation said:

It is not a driver issue unless the change to the GMs caused driver issues, which it didn't.  Its not just her. A lot of people have complained to her about the Kronos problem. 

 

A lot of people has said that it isn't a problem either, so it's a moot point.   Without knowing what GPUs people have or what PCs they have and whether or not their drivers are all up-to-date, we're all just guessing. 

 

2 hours ago, DarkRevelation said:

You probably should have also quoted the rest of their post:

 

You may want to do the same - "While it is an open zone for all players, you should also be courteous and considerate to each other."  So when another player or players come along and ask that the SNS be paused or reduced in scale because it's lagging the entire zone for them, you're going to be courteous and considerate to them, right?

 

I'd like to repeat, I am perfectly fine following the No Kronos rule (its not me anyway) and now that I understand the issue better, I will do what I can to help spread the word about it.   I can also totally understand the frustration around people not abiding by requests.  It is an open zone event that everyone is invited to, so good or bad there's going to be some disagreement unfortunately.  There's not much anyone can do about that. 

[Projector]

15 hours ago, Excraft said:

 

You're assuming everyone knows this or knows why this was even requested.  I assure you, not everyone knew what the issue was. 

Respectfully, that is irrelevant. If a leader is leading something and you don't like how they are leading, that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to do whatever you want.

If I am leading a Hami in Abyss with the Hami rush method (ignoring mitos) and part of the league starts attacking mitos and ignores Hami, then those players are in the wrong. Period.

Game rules or not, you (general you, not specifically you) are joining something someone else is leading. You want something done your way, then go lead your own SNS on Sunday nights and bring all the Kronos titans you want. But intentionally doing something that the leader has asked you to stop makes you the problem, not them asking you to stop.

Edited October 18 by Projector

[DarkRevelation]

33 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

Funny memes from an excellent movie aside, it certainly seems (at least to me) there's some entitlement surrounding the event here. 

 

On that we agree, but I doubt we agree on where it is coming from. 

 

35 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

 

And yet, here you are doing just that...

 

No, I'm just pointing out the error of your ways. 

 

38 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

So is the SNS more important because it's your friend running it?  Or do people running content in Skyway City who may be negatively impacted by all the lag caused by the SNS not matter? 

 

You may want to do the same - "While it is an open zone for all players, you should also be courteous and considerate to each other."  So when another player or players come along and ask that the SNS be paused or reduced in scale because it's lagging the entire zone for them, you're going to be courteous and considerate to them, right?

 

This is a player created and run event scheduled for the same time each week. Thankfully the Game Masters have leeway and use common sense regarding things like player created events, i.e. SNS, costume contests, Hami, MSR, etc. Anyone can see that this is an established event NOT meant to grief others, but something that the community can all do together. This isn't using dimension shift on Hami, or dragging Monsters to a costume contest, where the intent is to harass/harm/troll and that makes it different.

 

Rikti/zombie invasions could be considered griefing using your logic. They aren't and neither is SNS.

 

49 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

I'll certainly be doing what I can to pass the word along to everyone I know and direct them to this thread if there's any further questions. 

I'm sure the community as a whole will breathe a sigh of relief knowing that you are on the case. You run on along now and do that, ya here?

 

[ZacKing]

3 minutes ago, DarkRevelation said:

No, I'm just pointing out the error of your ways. 

 

LOL!  Ok.  You keep telling yourself that.

 

4 minutes ago, DarkRevelation said:

This is a player created and run event scheduled for the same time each week. Thankfully the Game Masters have leeway and use common sense regarding things like player created events, i.e. SNS, costume contests, Hami, MSR, etc. Anyone can see that this is an established event NOT meant to grief others, but something that the community can all do together. This isn't using dimension shift on Hami, or dragging Monsters to a costume contest, where the intent is to harass/harm/troll and that makes it different.

 

Yes, GMs do have some leeway.  It may be a player generated event and not intended to cause problems for others, but that doesn't change the fact that it can (and does) cause lag issues in the zone while its taking place.  That means its impacting others who aren't interested in the event.  I see you keep avoiding that.  I guess for you "being courteous" is only ok when its other people bending to what you want.  How exactly are you going to prove that people are bringing the Kronos to your event just to troll?  Especially after others have been permitted to do it without question.

 

7 minutes ago, DarkRevelation said:

Rikti/zombie invasions could be considered griefing using your logic. They aren't and neither is SNS.

 

Are players causing Rikti Invasions and/or Zombi Invasions every week in the same place lagging the entire zone?  So no, they're not the same thing. 

 

9 minutes ago, DarkRevelation said:

I'm sure the community as a whole will breathe a sigh of relief knowing that you are on the case. You run on along now and do that, ya here?

 

I'm not your dog.  Honestly, with the poor attitude you're displaying here, it's no wonder people aren't listening to you.  I said I'd do what I can to help.  If you want to take that as some sort of insult, so be it.  That's on you.

[tidge]

IIRC, there were occasions in the past when Kronos Titan's were added to the pile, as well as before the event. I want to say that as part of the event where Kronos Titans were added to the pile there was an actual GM (not Giant Monster) that also handed out temporary badges. Players can certainly go out of their way to spawn Kronos Titan's, but let's not forget that during Hallowe'en there is going to also be a holiday giant monster somewhere in the zone.(*1)

 

My point? This is a thing that has evolved, in an open-world zone, so reaching for absolutes is not possible.

 

(*1) I've simultaneously had a Jack in Irons and a Kraken fighting within feet of each other. I didn't see them showing any interest in each other, although it was hard to tell if the Kraken was doing ancillary damage to the level-less Red Hat spawns, because it looked like they would occasionally go flying after a foot stomp... but I was using quite a lot of KB attacks too.

[DarkRevelation]

7 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

Yes, GMs do have some leeway.  It may be a player generated event and not intended to cause problems for others, but that doesn't change the fact that it can (and does) cause lag issues in the zone while its taking place.  That means its impacting others who aren't interested in the event.  I see you keep avoiding that.  I guess for you "being courteous" is only ok when its other people bending to what you want.  How exactly are you going to prove that people are bringing the Kronos to your event just to troll?  Especially after others have been permitted to do it without question.

Player created events, i.e. SNS, costume contests, Hami, MSR, etc. all create impact to a zone.

 

24 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

Are players causing Rikti Invasions and/or Zombi Invasions every week in the same place lagging the entire zone?  So no, they're not the same thing. 

 

No, they are random and therefore less predictable than a scheduled event on a low population server in a lowbie zone on a Saturday night.

 

 

The person who runs the event has asked that Kronos not be spawned. You can be a contrarian for contrarian sake and argue that someone spawned it before (the 'but little Johnny did it' argument), argue that you are confused as to why it was asked that it not be spawned anymore (you are not owed an explanation, which is entitled behavior btw), go on about how it impacts others (All of those quest runners in Skyway City on a Saturday night on Torch? Get real, lol. The only time where there would be less people there is on a Sunday night. That event breathes life into a slow server at a slow time.), and complain about my attitude (woof! woof!), but it all boils down to this. She asked for it to stop.

 

If you or anyone else doesn't like it, go create your own event and Kronos each other until you can't move anymore.  

 

 

[Kalikamata]

Hey, everyone... please be nice. It's clear you're not going to agree so please leave it at that. 

 

1 hour ago, tidge said:

IIRC, there were occasions in the past when Kronos Titan's were added to the pile, as well as before the event. I want to say that as part of the event where Kronos Titans were added to the pile there was an actual GM (not Giant Monster) that also handed out temporary badges. Players can certainly go out of their way to spawn Kronos Titan's, but let's not forget that during Hallowe'en there is going to also be a holiday giant monster somewhere in the zone.

Yes, in the past the Kronos Titan was not a problem. The noticeable difference was when changes to the giant monsters were made. Googly Moogly has confirmed that Kronos will fight Babbage. After experiencing those 2 things, I decided to request that people refrain from bring Kronos. Someone else pointed out that Fusion Force brought Titans to SNS. I don't remember that. What I do remember is Emerald Fusion asking me if I minded if he made SNS part of their 20th anniversary celebration. He lead a Fusion Force league and coordinated exits with us. Again I think this was before the lag issue. 

 

1 hour ago, ZacKing said:

It may be a player generated event and not intended to cause problems for others, but that doesn't change the fact that it can (and does) cause lag issues in the zone while its taking place.  That means its impacting others who aren't interested in the event.  I see you keep avoiding that.  I guess for you "being courteous" is only ok when its other people bending to what you want. 

I have addressed this. If the GMs feel that this event is too disruptive, I will stop running it. The response I get every time I ask is... please keep running it.

[shortguy on indom]

31 minutes ago, Kalikamata said:

The response I get every time I ask is... please keep running it.

• ITS FUN FUN.

 

[Excraft]

3 hours ago, Projector said:

Respectfully, that is irrelevant. If a leader is leading something and you don't like how they are leading, that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to do whatever you want.

If I am leading a Hami in Abyss with the Hami rush method (ignoring mitos) and part of the league starts attacking mitos and ignores Hami, then those players are in the wrong. Period.

Game rules or not, you (general you, not specifically you) are joining something someone else is leading. You want something done your way, then go lead your own SNS on Sunday nights and bring all the Kronos titans you want. But intentionally doing something that the leader has asked you to stop makes you the problem, not them asking you to stop.

 

I'm not at all disagreeing with you.  I've said several times that I've no issue following the request and that it isn't me doing it.  At the same time, I can also understand that some may not have received the commandment from on high and therefore didn't get the message and thereby didn't understand what the fuss was all about.

 

I agree completely that the event leader asked for these not to show up, so others should be respecting that.

 

2 hours ago, DarkRevelation said:

You can be a contrarian for contrarian sake and argue that someone spawned it before (the 'but little Johnny did it' argument), argue that you are confused as to why it was asked that it not be spawned anymore (you are not owed an explanation, which is entitled behavior btw), go on about how it impacts others (All of those quest runners in Skyway City on a Saturday night on Torch? Get real, lol. The only time where there would be less people there is on a Sunday night. That event breathes life into a slow server at a slow time.), and complain about my attitude (woof! woof!), but it all boils down to this. She asked for it to stop.

 

You go right on doing you and ignoring the facts.  Bottom line is, people spawned multiple Kronos Titans before and were gloriously praised for doing so by your circle of friends.  This wasn't all that that long ago either, so no, it's not ancient history.  No one asked them not to spawn Titans because they're part of your little clique of friends.  That's fine if you want to have that double standard, but it's also a fact and you can't deny it.  When it's some unknown person(s) doing it, then it's all of a sudden a huge issue.  But we get it.... "Do as I say, not as I do" and all.  It's your friends, so that makes it ok. 

 

Nor has anyone said they're owed an explanation on anything.  If you were to take a deep breath, calm down, unclench and read the thread, you'd see that there are people who didn't get the message before for any number of reasons.  There was confusion over whether this was or wasn't a problem.  They have the information now and have all said they're happy to abide by the request.  Yet you keep wanting to spew your vitriol on them.  Everyone was being respectful here until you showed up looking to start a fight with everyone and anyone who dared ask a question. 

 

After reading your posts here and how you're addressing fellow players, it's absolutely clear to me you're more than likely one of the people who sent those rude and offensive tells - which included threats of physical violence - to others who disagreed the Kronos was an issue.  But yes, we all know how wonderful you are and how you and your event and super cool friends are saving the server and "breathing life into it" because its a virtual ghost town without you.

 

Let me be absolutely clear for you.  I am not the one spawning Kronos Titans.  I do not think others should be doing it and should respect the request not to do it.   I have no issue at all respecting the request and will do so happily.  I'm more than happy to help do what I can to get the message out to as many people as possible to help prevent any future problems or arguments.  I thank @Kalikamata again for taking the time and effort every week to organize and host the event. 

 

If you need me to dumb down anything for you by using smaller words or a larger font so that you can understand better, be sure to let me know. 

[Excraft]

1 hour ago, Kalikamata said:

Someone else pointed out that Fusion Force brought Titans to SNS. I don't remember that. What I do remember is Emerald Fusion asking me if I minded if he made SNS part of their 20th anniversary celebration. He lead a Fusion Force league and coordinated exits with us. Again I think this was before the lag issue.

 

Their 20th Anniversary Event ran during April - May of this year.  IIRC, that may have been right around the time of when the GM changes went into effect, but I'll be honest and say I don't remember when that change was made specifically.   Wasn't it back in June?  And yes, FF did spawn a Kronos Titan (or more) during the SNS at that time. 

[shortguy on indom]

• FOR ME COULD GIVE A RIP ABOUT THE KRONOS ISSUE, I GO FOR THE SYNAPSE TF RUN.
• NICE TO RUN W/A TEAM OF 8 AT USUALLY +4 DIFF.
• I LEAVE IT ON "TEAM' CHAT TAB, SO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND ME ON BROADCAST OR WHATEVER.
• SO WHATEVER WORKS YALL.
• SEE YAS SAT NIGHT.  JOIN A SYNAPSE TF AND HAVE FUN.
• REMEMBER, PLZ NERF INSPIRATIONS.  THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS OUT OF YOUR SYSTEMS AFTER THAT.  LOL.