Dismissive, and Troll Encouraging Behavior

[Kistulot]

1 hour ago, GM Crumpet said:

Now you're being unfair. We have light moderation compared to some places and prefer players to use their voices. We only interfere when it gets nasty. I've seen GM's attacked on this and other threads to the point I don't know which one is which any more. Cipher has responded, which is almost unheard of, and Widower as well. We don't have the assets, staff, time or facility to do what you want so we get attacked.

 

It has not been my intentions to be unfair. However, accusing me of attacking when I am instead pinpointing a recurring flaw that is making me feel increasingly demoralized? That feels pretty unfair.

If you're saying assets, staff, time, or facility for this thread, then I'm confused. If you're saying it for the other... none of those rationales were given for that situation, so I'm simply confused there. I apologize, but a lack of specificity only makes things more confusing, which I don't think is your intention.

 

1 hour ago, GM Crumpet said:

I've been a GM for almost 5 years now and anyone who has ever had contact with me will tell you I'm extremely fair. I'll spend hours trying to fix an individual problem and work with someone to sort out their issue. I'm a very silly person who loves to have banter with players and do very daft things just to brighten someone elses day. And you know what? The rest of the GM team are people I'm proud to call my friends and colleagues. There isn't a bad one in the bunch. Every one of them, from the novice GM's to the devs to Cipher are volunteers and give their free time to a project they love with all their heart, even though their real life is incredibly busy.

 

I'm very glad that you have a good working relationship with the other members of staff! 🙂 I sincerely am. I'm glad that you respect your fellow GMs.

 

I also believe, very fiercely, that love and effort is put into this game.

 

If it wasn't, I wouldn't be bothering with posting here at all.

 

1 hour ago, GM Crumpet said:

We don't dismiss rude and abusive behaviour, we just don't telegraph our actions and hold public lynchings. What we do or don't do is between the player and staff. We have sanctions that range from a quick "Hey mate, that came across as a bit harsh" DM's to warnings and points, to short bans, long bans and permanent bans. If anyone finds out the actions we took it won't be from us, but the downside is it looks like we aren't paying attention. someone gets a week long ban and for them it's upsetting and awful. For everyone else it looks like they've been a way for a week. Then we get complaints that X was reported 2 weeks ago and is still about. Of course they are still about, their ban wore off. We aren't going to say that though.

 

There's a difference between public lynchings and making it very clear what is and isn't acceptable. It's also been very clear to me in less than a week that people who act "civil" while crapping on other people around them are not seen as a problem. That's certainly a situation where you can feel free to disagree, but I do not believe that the posts that were deleted in this thread came about because people understood, in a public way, what they could or could not be expected to get away with.

 

A lack of transparency, or being opaque, in situations like this is kinda obviously not helping anyone.

 

I didn't create this situation by posting, but I sure did get to roll right into it by showing up.

 

1 hour ago, ScarySai said:

Well, when I see the same group of people brigading threads until they inevitably get closed (which is a weird way to handle that, by the way.), and they're still there weeks to months later doing the same thing, one can't help but think nothing's being done about it.

 

I'm sure you're all great people that hate sentinels just like any proud members of the community, but the moderation policies might need an update or two, because there's clearly a problem.

 

Sentinels are just blasters without the courage to get into melee and blap.

 

Okay, that's a joke (mostly) but sincerely, it's this. Even if something is being done, if the same problem happens again and again and again...

 

Pardon  me for saying so, but that means the problem has not been resolved.

 

58 minutes ago, GM Crumpet said:

I do hate sentinels........

 

I respect this.

 

Also I'm not quoting it, but yet another message in bad faith from a person I've had to report multiple times today already who clearly does not believe there are consequences to their actions.

 

TL;DR: It's cool that being a GM has gone well for you, but considering that right after saying things are handled respectfully and behind closed doors, there was yet more open hostility that kinda clearly shows that approach may not be working at all.

 

[Kistulot]

I feel like a visual example here might be helpful.

 

At the top of this section is where the last GM response occurred.

 

At the bottom is a post that literally only exists to say "I know you are but what am I" with a single snarky link.

 

It isn't even a different page.

 

EDITED IN PORTION:

 

If you believe it's Sai who is acting disingenuously, then that post took even less time. I'm inclined to agree with arcane, even if I believe they're making things worse for themselves, and everyone else. If you believe someone is causing a problem by responding, you have to look at both sides.

 

Sometimes someone can be saying "here's some math that proves I'm right" and be abusive with it. It's simply factual that data can be misconstrued.

 

Sometimes, the person who gets angry and reacts should be lightly censured, but the person responsible for causing the frustration requires a heavier, or lighter hand.

 

I don't want to play sides here, as much as it seems one side of the equation has been far more welcoming of someone coming into this forum community with a goal in mind. As much as I think that arcane has caused his own problems in this thread, hey, I'll give someone support when I think they're right. I'm not here to root for a sports team. I'm here because I love this game, and because the issues with this forum make discussions that affect in game far more difficult than they should.

 

If I was a reasonable person, I feel like I would have logged out and thrown up my hands by now... but I'm too invested in this game, and in the community that *isn't* able to log in here all the time and play at old rivalries.

 

The current method is not working. This thread is an example.

 

Edited December 17 by Kistulot
Further Clarification, text added, none removed.

[arcane]

4 minutes ago, Kistulot said:

At the bottom is a post that literally only exists to say "I know you are but what am I" with a single snarky link.

Why is it particularly problematic to point out that a lot of people see Sai as acting in the exact way he is accusing others of acting? It’s not a wildly controversial take.

[Kistulot]

Just now, arcane said:

Why is it particularly problematic to point out that a lot of people see Sai as acting in the exact way he is accusing others of acting? It’s not a wildly controversial take.

 

From my perspective I feel like that's basically a middle finger with no redeeming value to it whatsoever.

 

If you feel another post better draws attention to this issue, please utilize that for a similar point.

 

I don't think saying "but they did it first" absolves anyone of their actions, it can simply at times make them make sense.

 

Explanations are not excuses, and vice versa.

[arcane]

2 minutes ago, Kistulot said:

 

From my perspective I feel like that's basically a middle finger with no redeeming value to it whatsoever.

 

If you feel another post better draws attention to this issue, please utilize that for a similar point.

 

I don't think saying "but they did it first" absolves anyone of their actions, it can simply at times make them make sense.

 

Explanations are not excuses, and vice versa.

Fair enough.

 

First bolded part. Yeah, that’s probably what it is. As long as everyone knows it was provoked, I’m personally okay with the middle finger. Moderation team and I are in continual disagreement on this viewpoint.

 

Second bolded part. You’re right here too. But I’m generally not claiming innocence. Just trying to be treated fairly and wanting people to recognize that this is a cycle being perpetuated by more than one side.

[Kistulot]

Just now, arcane said:

Fair enough.

 

Let's take a moment to completely breathe nice and slow, and agree on something here:

 

I respect a lot that you are able to look at what I've said and see where I'm coming from. I realize I may be making that sound dramatic, but the fact that we can agree, even so quickly, even in a situation that feels like more and more of a mess, is a place to build on.

 

I sincerely find that beautiful.

 

1 minute ago, arcane said:

First bolded part. Yeah, that’s probably what it is. As long as everyone knows it was provoked, I’m personally okay with the middle finger. Moderation team and I are in continual disagreement on this viewpoint.

 

You have provoked, and you have been provoked, back and forth since you entered any of the threads I've been a part of. You literally came in just to roll your eyes at someone.

 

I'm personally very okay with agreeing that, yes, it's not just been one sided, but I feel like it's somewhat unfair to claim that it's the same thing to get annoyed at someone and swipe back than it is to roll on in with one liners prepared.

 

3 minutes ago, arcane said:

Second bolded part. You’re right here too. But I’m generally not claiming innocence. Just trying to be treated fairly and wanting people to recognize that this is a cycle being perpetuated by more than one side.

 

I appreciate a willingness to accept questionable conduct. Again, this isn't something just anyone will be willing to do, so I believe it has a lot of value here...

 

...honestly, if anything, I'm kinda glad at this blatant, brazen pettiness.

 

Without it, I feel like my point would be a lot harder to make.

[Kistulot]

Deleting that post with a screenshot with the question of "why would anyone with 7k posts think this was acceptable behavior unless something was wrong" was not software.

 

That was intentional.

 

I'm going to use the most casual english I can.

 

Look up at my posts in this thread.

 

Where's the lie.

[Arcanum]

Hi everyone! So it seems this conversation has run it's course - it is circling the same topics, unproductive, and quite frankly just being used as a board to disagree and complain about one another. So I'm locking it.

Thanks to anyone who contributed in any productive manner. As always, both the City Council and Game Masters are reviewing all of these messages to see what should be taken away and absorbed. 

We appreciate everyone who maintains the spirit of the server in their interactions.